Talk of The Villages Florida

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)
-   Current Events and News (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/)
-   -   Vaccine "Passports"? (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/vaccine-passports-318091/)

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1923653)
Well, conservatives supporting the vaccine ID cards is news to me. I'm conservative, and most of my friends are as well, and none of us support the vaccine ID cards. My guess is that MOST, but not all, conservatives would NOT agree with such a proposal.

Absolutely agree, I will not be forced to get a vaccine card...never..

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1923670)
There is public health risks every day and has been since the beginning of time, It’s unbelievable how people have become so gullible, you could have been standing in an elevator with someone who had TB 5 years ago. It’s called brainwashed.

Gullible isn't the right word. Concerned citizen, maybe. For a virus that has killed millions, it's intelligent, not gullible..

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923672)
Idiotic idea-----Very Simple

Why?????
Because even those that are vaccinated may be in the 5% that do not acquire immunity (or 20+% with J&J or Astra-Zeneca), and then there is the question of how long that immunity lasts. So someone gets the vaccine, gets the "passport", and then we still don't know if they are any different than the unvaccinated. And they are certainly less protected than those who had COVID and recovered, but not vaccinated.
How long is the "passport" good for? Renew every what? 3 months,6 months, year? How do you get "100% proof" that a person previously vaccinated is still immune? The "experts" tell us that the antibody test is not valid for that purpose, it is only a marker of previous infection or vaccination. (If it is like most antibody tests, immunity would be dependent upon the titer, usually a 1:32 dilution is adequate, but this is a novel virus and I don't think this has been studied)

So playing out this "passport" scenario, it would be entirely possible, even likely, that someone who has been vaccinated (but did not acquire immunity), has the paperwork to travel, shop, eat out , etc. , while the person next to him in line without the "passport" but is totally immune by virtue of previous infection is denied those privileges. Same with someone whose did acquire immunity, has the "passport", but enough time has passed that their immunity has faded.

Add to the ineffectiveness of such a "passport" plan is the enormous task of actually enforcing it. Most retail stores that currently REQUIRE a mask do not challenge customers who are not wearing one. Imagine the difficulty with something as invasive as a vaccine?

Thank you...there is absolutely no logic in any of this nonsense...

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923550)
If this was just an individual issue, I would agree with you. However, all these policies and procedures were instituted to minimize a worldwide pandemic that could have killed hundreds of millions. There is a huge difference between public health measures and individual health.

And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923675)
Gullible isn't the right word. Concerned citizen, maybe. For a virus that has killed millions, it's intelligent, not gullible..

This not the first infectious disease that has killed millions, and it won't be the last. But it is the first where governments have stepped in and closed down world economies, limited individual rights such as travel and freedom of assembly, and dictated personal choices such as mask wearing and now vaccines. And this is what is being called "intelligent"?????

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923564)
naw, you are missing the point. Covid, a worldwide pandemic, has killed more people in 12 months than HPV, Flu, Shingles, etc has in 50 years.

And many countries will require it anyway - plus airlines, cruiseships, etc...

Reality is, I'm a fan of the Governor, but this policy - having the vaccine and the passport - is the fastest way to get the world on track

And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....bull..

crash 03-31-2021 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1923516)
How do you deal with people that have not been vaccinated but have herd immunity or have recovered from COVID 19.. Just testing them once for COVID 19 would not be enough.

If you have had COVID you would have immunity just like getting the vaccine so your passport would say that. Many parts of the world are already doing this and it is a way to get started faster instead of waiting for herd immunity.

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 1923620)
Yet large numbers of people are willing to trample on and diminish EVERYONE'S liberty and freedom based on a vaccine of unproven durability and because of fear of something that at worst has taken the lives of about two-tenths of one percent of the population of this country... mostly consisting of the elderly with several comorbidities, about half of which were already in nursing homes.

How quickly and easily we give up that which so many of our ancestors fought and died to preserve. Very sad. :cry: :cry:

Yes it is, people....I will not give up my freedom for this..Thank You Governor!

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1923680)
And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....

True, but only at a rate of 35-70,000/year. This is different.

Of course, pneumonic plague killed half of Europe

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash (Post 1923686)
If you have had COVID you would have immunity just like getting the vaccine so your passport would say that. Many parts of the world are already doing this and it is a way to get started faster instead of waiting for herd immunity.

And just how would it show that???? How are you going to prove it???? The antibody test is not valid for the purpose of determining immunity, at least not yet.

crash 03-31-2021 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923684)
This not the first infectious disease that has killed millions, and it won't be the last. But it is the first where governments have stepped in and closed down world economies, limited individual rights such as travel and freedom of assembly, and dictated personal choices such as mask wearing and now vaccines. And this is what is being called "intelligent"?????

Not true the Spanish flu of 1918 was worse then this and had all the same issues with mask wearing and travel restrictions. You think we would of learned something but I guess not. Thank goodness that at least science has advanced.

thevillages2013 03-31-2021 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923663)
They want us to protect those who aren't vaccinated, in case we can carry the virus.

Vaccine ID’s should be fairly easy to fake just ask any 18-20 year old

Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1923623)
It's not everyone's liberty and freedom. The vaccine cards ALREADY EXIST. Many international travelers ALREADY have them, for other vaccines. If you want to go THERE, then THOSE PEOPLE THERE want proof that you won't spread a deadly illness in their direction. You're welcome to stay where you are, no one is forcing you to go there. THEY have the freedom to say "you're not invited." So stop trying to jump on their freedom.

And I’ve worked through this entire time to keep you cared for and your not going to tell me that now I cannot have any freedom to go anywhere because you were scared. If your vaccinated what are you afraid of???

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1923680)
And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....

Yes, it has - over the years. 30K in a year doesn't compare to 700K in a year.

Eg_cruz 03-31-2021 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)
I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

I am sorry but, I am not one that is jumping on the “Shot that has no long term study band wagon” everyone has the right to choose what the think is best for them. For 20 years I have been leery of vaccines so, to have one without really knowing the true How, What and When is confusing to me. I am a very low risk because of my lifestyle so why should I have to be forced to get something that goes against my beliefs because something may or may not work?

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

maggie1 03-31-2021 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 1923520)
The idea of "vaccine passports" is contradictory with what the vaccine advocates contend is true. They contend that people who get the vaccine will be safe from catching and transmitting the virus. If this premise is true, then they should have no worry about being around someone who hasn't had the vaccine. Perhaps the person had the virus and recovered with no problems... in which case, their immunity is probably as good as someone who had the vaccine. Even if they haven't had the virus, the unvaccinated person is the one at greater risk by being there than the vaccinated person, so why should they be prohibited from any public place?

I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-31-2021 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)
I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

I don't know how the government can tell private businesses that they can't require proof in order to enter their premises. The same goes for masks. A business has the right to either require or request that you wear a mask or allow people without masks to enter. The public has a right to choose whether or not they want to do business with those businesses under the terms that they set.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923684)
This not the first infectious disease that has killed millions, and it won't be the last. But it is the first where governments have stepped in and closed down world economies, limited individual rights such as travel and freedom of assembly, and dictated personal choices such as mask wearing and now vaccines. And this is what is being called "intelligent"?????

Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic and the governments responded similarly, except there never was a vaccine, and millions perished.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1923700)
I am sorry but, I am not one that is jumping on the “Shot that has no long term study band wagon” everyone has the right to choose what the think is best for them. For 20 years I have been leery of vaccines so, to have one without really knowing the true How, What and When is confusing to me. I am a very low risk because of my lifestyle so why should I have to be forced to get something that goes against my beliefs because something may or may not work?

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

Sorry, but there is so much wrong with this post that I wouldn't know where to begin, nor do I have the time to sort it out.

Stuholden 03-31-2021 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider (Post 1923520)
The idea of "vaccine passports" is contradictory with what the vaccine advocates contend is true. They contend that people who get the vaccine will be safe from catching and transmitting the virus. If this premise is true, then they should have no worry about being around someone who hasn't had the vaccine. Perhaps the person had the virus and recovered with no problems... in which case, their immunity is probably as good as someone who had the vaccine. Even if they haven't had the virus, the unvaccinated person is the one at greater risk by being there than the vaccinated person, so why should they be prohibited from any public place?

This is not binary - if you have the vaccine you are not 100% immune as all vaccines have a percentage effectiveness. If you have had covid you are not immune to reinfection. There are varients and mutations which are arising the more infections there are in the community.
Vaccine passports will allow groups to form that have lowered risk, but not 100% safe.

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1923703)
I don't know how the government can tell private businesses that they can't require proof in order to enter their premises. The same goes for masks. A business has the right to either require or request that you wear a mask or allow people without masks to enter. The public has a right to choose whether or not they want to do business with those businesses under the terms that they set.

Yeah, that is true. A business can choose to allow or not allow someone in their establishment or business. That choice is not protected by Federal Law.

crash 03-31-2021 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923691)
And just how would it show that???? How are you going to prove it???? The antibody test is not valid for the purpose of determining immunity, at least not yet.

What is not determined is how long the immunity lasts. Just like the vaccine, having COVID develops antibodies that prevent disease. This is how covalence plasma treatment works. Your immunity will last the same amount of time whether from disease or vaccine.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-31-2021 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 1923702)
I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

Masks primarily protect those around the wearer. Since many people have not been able to get the vaccine as of this time, I'll continue to wear a mask indoors in public places out of respect for my fellow humans.

I've had both doses but from what I understand, I can still contract the virus and pass it on to others. Once everyone in the state of Florida that wants to be vaccinated has been, I will stop wearing a mask. At that point, as you say, people have made a choice it is not my responsibility to protect them.

dewilson58 03-31-2021 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1923700)
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

Of he did, he is protecting Florida $$$$, as he should.
It won't matter what he wants.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923704)
Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic and the governments responded similarly, except there never was a vaccine, and millions perished.

From the Baltimore Sun:

"“It was called the Spanish flu. But that was only because Spain, which was not at war, allowed the press to report on it openly. Unlike here. ... The nation wasn’t told.

“A year earlier, President Woodrow Wilson had rammed through Congress the Sedition Act, making it a crime to say or publish anything negative that would affect the war effort.”

According to Barry, “Wilson created what was called the Committee for Public Information. The architect of that committee said, 'Truth and falsehood are arbitrary terms. The force of an idea lies in its inspirational value. It matters very little if it is true or false.'"

"In the United States, you had national public health leaders saying such things as ‘This is ordinary influenza by another name.’ At the local level the same kind of thing was occurring. With deadly consequences. ... No more so than in Philadelphia, which went ahead with a huge war bond parade in the fall of 1918 when the virus was at its most virulent. Newspapers killed stories quoting the medical community saying don’t do it.

"So, 48 hours later, influenza exploded around the city," Barry said. "The result is, it's one of the hardest-hit cities in the world, and the mass graves being dug by steam shovels and so forth." The death toll in Philadelphia was about 14,500.

The 1918 flu epidemic and the end of World War 1 marked the beginning of a complicated social, political and economic matrix of events that continue to have an impact to this day."

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1923700)

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

There is no egg in the vaccine, and less than 1 in 10,000 has gotten seriously ill, and there have been no deaths .

Not Sure About the COVID-19 Vaccine? Get the Facts, Then Decide

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash (Post 1923709)
What is not determined is how long the immunity lasts. Just like the vaccine, having COVID develops antibodies that prevent disease. This is how covalence plasma treatment works. Your immunity will last the same amount of time whether from disease or vaccine.

Are you asking me or telling me?????

Not to question your "expertise", but that would be "convalescent plasma"

Tmarkwald 03-31-2021 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 1923702)
I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

I agree -

Pat2015 03-31-2021 05:58 AM

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923723)
The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

Unfortunately, the "pro vaccine passport" crowd want to limit your other rights if you exercise that one.

Pat2015 03-31-2021 06:04 AM

I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.

MandoMan 03-31-2021 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)
I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

It’s interesting that to a substantial extent, the people who want people to be able to get vaccine passports don’t want voters to have to show ID before voting, while many people who oppose vaccine passports because of “personal freedom” want to require official ID for voters.

I favor both! I also favor mandatory vaccination, with those who refuse the vaccine required to pay for all their own medical bills if they get COVID-19 and have to be hospitalized.

golfing eagles 03-31-2021 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923729)
I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.

It has emergency approval, eventually the FDA will have to consider full, unconditional approval. This is not unusual.

Pat2015 03-31-2021 06:15 AM

But meanwhile everyone taking the vaccine is a guinea pig in the study that everyone is participating in where it is thought that you maybe you can still get Covid (no research on that), and the long term effects are unknown. I don’t fault those who are opting out of getting the vaccine as that’s their right, and some people can not take the vaccines being offered for various reasons so what’s to be done about them?

Fairway Cruises 03-31-2021 06:16 AM

This is becoming a controversial subject and causing disagreement with friends, neighbors and the family. many are acting like sheep. Sad it has come to this. But the research and good strong information is there for all to find. Truth is never in the media, remember that, it's just not. It's either told with a bias or told (be it TV or the press etc) by many less educated to tell the truth than we are.
There is confusion everywhere you look, even the government (federal and local) tell different stories. You have to decide for yourself when you look at the evidence.
So let me throw in my 10 pennyworth...
The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'. It involves protiens that attach to your gene's before falling away harmlessly. The effect of this is to 'boost' your immune system reaction to fight any virus. The result as has been said by the science, is that you won't get as sick as you otherwise could have and so prevent you from terrible illness, or even in some cases death. Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus. The pharma companies obtained their own indemnity from adverse side effects, and prosecution as a condition of getting the drug out quickly. It has had little trial, and it is not known how the drug will react on people. Indeed, there are enough stories out there that relate to some serious side effects for the unlucky few. Death being one. The drug is not licenced, and governments are only allowing it's use under emergency covid legislation.
We are told it's a golden ticket out of this wild lockdown life. Many would argue that false, as herd immunity has worked as well in many countries where a vaccine was never used or lockdowns. Finally the virus as we now know by the data is for the most part effecting the over 80's, where most of the deaths and illnesses have come from. Some 98.6% (that number varies) of the population are not seriously effected in any way, and many simply are unaware they have had it. People vulnerable are the aged, overweight or with a precondition (many with preconditions they did not know they had).
So you decide - has this been a huge 'virtual' signal by panicked governements, helped along by agenda's and a desire to use as a means to change laws (remember the patriot act?) or is this just a genuine effort to save the population? History shows us many horrible viruses and plagues existed that populations recovered from without any vaccines, even as recently as SARS. Our immunity needs to be exposed to life's viruses or we would continue to get sick. It's how we build our immunities. Locking us down and hiding can only be dangerous for us, we just get sick when exposed again. Not to mention the issues it casues in mental health, hospitals postponing cancer treaments and many other health issues producing early deaths. It has certainly split and divided us more than ever, which can't be a good thing.
Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-31-2021 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923723)
The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

Ummm.... they are indeed FDA approved. That is why we had to wait for the J&J one shot vaccine and that is why we don't have the AstraZeneca vaccine now.

larbud 03-31-2021 06:24 AM

Well
 
1 Attachment(s)
Hell

dlspiess 03-31-2021 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 1923552)
I foresee vaccine passports for more than just covid. Yes, children are required to be vaccinated to enter school, but what about for HPV? Flu? Shingles? I'm sure there's more. Where is the line drawn? No, I'm not a supporter.

Not all states require children to be vaccinated for school anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe in child vaccinations but it is the new trend. It is my opinion that this van will be like the flu shot, yearly. I don’t agree with a vaccine passport.

Autodeals 03-31-2021 06:25 AM

Scary times we are living in with so much division between people. We need to respect others choices in life & the governor is allowing people to continue to have the freedom to choose what medical intervention they wish to select for their well being.

bonrich 03-31-2021 06:26 AM

So, as I understand it, if now before the vaccine passport, two of us walk into a store, wearing masks, distancing, one vaccinated, the other not, shop, then leave, following guidelines, all is good. Or both vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, shop and leave unscathed. Or both wearing masks, socially distancing, shop, but neither one vaccinated, leave not spreading the virus. In all instances the two parties are following the guidelines set out by the powers to be, and what we have been doing for the past year, what has been gained? Businesses may still require masks to shop or dine, we have been doing the mask thing for so long now, it is easier to get into line, just like wearing seat belts and how hard it was to get used to them, now buckle up automatically.
Now, travel on airlines, that is another animal. What have the airlines been doing now? Has there been outbreaks of COVID with increased air travel that has been traced? It will be interesting to read about the aftermath of Spring Break! Looking for numbers.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:35 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.