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Swoop 04-01-2021 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1924373)
We must have some very young (or forgetful) people on here. The comment that polio just 'disappeared by itself' really threw me for a loop!

Even an anti-vaxxer knows that without the polio vaccine we'd have people everywhere with polio. As well as small pox, rubella, measles, etc....

The whole premise of declining the vaccine I find irresponsible, but to quote virus and disease we've managed to keep under control because of a vaccine?

Yes, at this time, you have the right, here in the US, to refuse the virus. But be prepared for the consequences.

And the argument that " I'm not getting the virus because I'll have herd immunity " is simply asinine. A person doesn't get herd immunity - a herd does - in this case humanity. And how do we get there? Exposure and recovery maybe 10%, but vaccines do all the rest.

So, waiting for herd immunity is an incredibly selfish attitude. Those people are letting everyone else take responsibility for their personal health.

Spock would not approve (another blast form the past - wonder how many will get it?)
There have been two other strains of Coronaviruses that made the leap from animals to humans, SARS & MERS. SARS was around for less than two years, the MERS outbreak lasted less than three years. We didn’t have a vaccine for either one...

Spalumbos62 04-01-2021 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1924302)
No, the federal government is paying for it...
I thought that too, but why did they want our ins info , and why did an EOB come in the mail for it. Or else the info collection was for Big Brother, ya know, future reference.
Just a thought.

G.R.I.T.S. 04-01-2021 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1923562)
Puhleeese! The "line is to be drawn" would be at COVID and only COVID which is currently the ONLY international pandemic still spreading worldwide and the only one in 100 years. None of your other examples are even close to what is happening.

In any case, my opinion to the question asked is I don't care either way whether they do or don't. Not really a BFD. All our personal information is available everywhere with just a little effort so this wouldn't matter 1 iota.
I don't know of a single time when the government stayed within any boundary. Temporary sales taxes? Patriot Act? FISA courts? :1rotfl:

G.R.I.T.S. 04-01-2021 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923598)
Great responses so far but none are getting to the heart of what I intended to be the matter. And that is...in this case conservatives are supporting government regulation. And government regulation is contradictory to their guiding principles.

On the other hand, liberals, who don't mind government regulation and expect a lot of it, ironically are against this proposed government regulation.

The point is there is no black and white. Both sides want the best for our country, but we approach it differently. This is proof we overlap.

This wasn't intended to be about the pros and cons of a vaccine passport, but carry on as you wish.
I believe the proposal is a preemptive strike.

Bill14564 04-01-2021 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1924615)
I thought that too, but why did they want our ins info , and why did an EOB come in the mail for it. Or else the info collection was for Big Brother, ya know, future reference.
Just a thought.
I imagine (I don't know) that your insurance may have been charged for the personnel that performed the injection. There may be a standard amount that a pharmacy is allowed to charge insurance for their time.

The EOB came because the claim was made against the insurance and they are making you aware. But since you have that EOB, what were you charged for, the cost of the vaccine or just the cost of performing the injection?

My wife and I have received three of our four injections with no cash, no credit card, and no insurance information requested.

Tmarkwald 04-01-2021 11:54 AM
I assume everyone saw this...

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

unialimon 04-01-2021 12:18 PM
Passport?
 
I remember my fake ID's. Worked almost every time.

C. C. Rider 04-01-2021 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by unialimon (Post 1924715)
I remember my fake ID's. Worked almost every time.
Yeah, I had one too and it usually worked even though the only physical similarity between the fake ID that I had and me is that both of us are male. My fake ID was from a different state too, but that didn't matter most of the time. Hell, I probably could have shown them a label from a soup can and they would have said "OK". :)

Which tends to prove that people who are in business don't like to turn away paying customers.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2021 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1924494)
Costco is the first that comes to mind. They prohibit concealed or open carry...

Now, I agree, if they can't see it, there's not much they'll do, but if you're printing, they can and will ask you to leave.

Good thing is, the only penalty is a possible charge of trespassing...
Doesn't the Florida castle law and stand your grounds law mean the guard at Costco can shoot you if you argue with him when he asks you to leave?

I'm thinking the potential for a "worst case possible" penalty for violating a conceal and carry policy of a company whose owner is someone other than yourself, is a lot worse than merely trespassing.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2021 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1924615)
I thought that too, but why did they want our ins info , and why did an EOB come in the mail for it. Or else the info collection was for Big Brother, ya know, future reference.
Just a thought.
Because if they CAN recoup some of the expense from insurance companies, they will. It's not going to cost YOU anything more by submitting insurance information. In fact, it might end up costing less overall to the taxpayer (which may or may not include yourself, I don't know you), if more of the cost of vaccinating the majority of people living in the USA, is covered by insurance companies instead of federal funds.

JMintzer 04-01-2021 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1924729)
Doesn't the Florida castle law and stand your grounds law mean the guard at Costco can shoot you if you argue with him when he asks you to leave?

I'm thinking the potential for a "worst case possible" penalty for violating a conceal and carry policy of a company whose owner is someone other than yourself, is a lot worse than merely trespassing.
Yeah, no...

That only works if your life is in danger...

Arlene pugh 04-01-2021 07:20 PM
Only non vaccinated get it and that is their choice so why worry about them.

John41 04-01-2021 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by jmintzer5 View Post
Costco is the first that comes to mind. They prohibit concealed or open carry...

Now, I agree, if they can't see it, there's not much they'll do, but if you're printing, they can and will ask you to leave.
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Then if I get killed in Costco because they provided inadequate security I should be able to sue them.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2021 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1924752)
Yeah, no...

That only works if your life is in danger...
No, it works if you BELIEVE your life to be in danger. Read the actual law.

Tmarkwald 04-01-2021 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1924874)
No, it works if you BELIEVE your life to be in danger. Read the actual law.
very correct.


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