[coffeebean]

Saw this on the news tonight. I was afraid this was going to happen. I have no idea how this impacts the vaccine efficacy if the 2nd shot is late. Anyone know?

This is one reason I don't mind waiting to be vaccinated. I would like to see this massive vaccination process be more reliable before I get my first shot.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Saw this on the news tonight. I was afraid this was going to happen. I have no idea how this impacts the vaccine efficacy if the 2nd shot is late. Anyone know?

This is one reason I don't mind waiting to be vaccinated. I would like to see this massive vaccination process be more reliable before I get my first shot.

Yup, another good reason to wait, if you are not in a *high* risk category. Being old is not by itself high risk. Being old means you have had more of an opportunity to develop heart problems, lung problems, immunity problems, and other systemic problems which would put you at risk.

So if you are 65 and have had a heart attack this year, you're just as high risk as someone who is 64 and has had a heart attack this year. Being 65 and older doesn't magically switch the "risk" toggle on.

If you're 75, and have no history of problems, visit a doctor for annual checkups, get your vaccines as usual, this year's checkup shows you're fit as a fiddle, you eat well, you don't overdo anything, you're not overweight or underweight, you get plenty of exercise - then you probably can wait to get vaccinated.

If you're 52 and have a history of problems, you're not fit, you have asthma, you're overweight, medicated for stress, don't eat right - well YOU are the one who should get vaccinated. Even though you're not 65 yet.

[biker1]

Calm down. I believe 1st shot efficacy is about 50%. Are people late because the second shot was not available or they chose not to get the second shot? I don't believe there is any issue with the process. Why? My wife got the first shot today and she has an appointment for the second shot in a month. Based on her experience, there isn't an issue with the process. In a month, if they cancel her appointment and she cannot get the second shot then there is an issue.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Saw this on the news tonight. I was afraid this was going to happen. I have no idea how this impacts the vaccine efficacy if the 2nd shot is late. Anyone know?

This is one reason I don't mind waiting to be vaccinated. I would like to see this massive vaccination process be more reliable before I get my first shot.

[Two Bills]

In UK. they are in many areas, only giving the first vaccination.
They are then delaying second shot for up to 3 month.
This is to get as many on way to immunity as soon as possible with part cover better than no cover.
Many doctors are defying the directive, and giving the second anyway.
Our clinic is one, and wife and I had our second shots last Tuesday.
Chief Medical Officer says there is no problem with delaying second shot.
UK is finding it very difficult to get this new variant under control, and our numbers have risen dramatically.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by biker1

Calm down. I believe 1st shot efficacy is about 50%. Are people late because the second shot was not available or they chose not to get the second shot? I don't believe there is any issue with the process. Why? My wife got the first shot today and she has an appointment for the second shot in a month. Based on her experience, there isn't an issue with the process. In a month, if they cancel her appointment and she cannot get the second shot then there is an issue.

I'm calm. I figured from the beginning of the roll out of the vaccine that I would probably be vaccinated hopefully by this summer. What I'm concerned about is that the second dose is not being given in a timely manner. My concern is the efficacy of the vaccine will decline if the second shot is given late but I don't know that for sure. Has anyone heard about that?

Why 2300 people are overdue for their second shot is not clear to me just that it was stated on the news that this is a reality.

[Bill14564]

The numbers can be found here.

Through Jan 7:
Total people vaccinated: 443,616
Not yet ready for 2nd shot: 417,055
Already had 2nd shot: 24,200
Overdue for 2nd shot: 2,361 (about 9% of those eligible)

What this doesn't say is what made these people overdue. If the vaccine was not available or they were unable to make an appointment, that would be bad. If they self-selected to not get the 2nd shot (forgot, procrastination, felt ill that day, tomorrow is more convenient, etc) then that's not as bad. It also doesn't say how long overdue they are; it could be that they thought they were supposed to come back on the 8th but were counted as overdue on the 7th. And of course, there is always a question of the timeliness and accuracy of the numbers.

There are over 400,000 in the pipeline for a 2nd shot within the next two weeks. If the overdue number shoots up into the tens of thousands that would give more reason to suspect an issue with availability.

[biker1]

And there lies the problem with the news: no context and no perspective.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm calm. I figured from the beginning of the roll out of the vaccine that I would probably be vaccinated hopefully by this summer. What I'm concerned about is that the second dose is not being given in a timely manner. My concern is the efficacy of the vaccine will decline if the second shot is given late but I don't know that for sure. Has anyone heard about that?

Why 2300 people are overdue for their second shot is not clear to me just that it was stated on the news that this is a reality.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yup, another good reason to wait, if you are not in a *high* risk category. Being old is not by itself high risk. Being old means you have had more of an opportunity to develop heart problems, lung problems, immunity problems, and other systemic problems which would put you at risk.

So if you are 65 and have had a heart attack this year, you're just as high risk as someone who is 64 and has had a heart attack this year. Being 65 and older doesn't magically switch the "risk" toggle on.

If you're 75, and have no history of problems, visit a doctor for annual checkups, get your vaccines as usual, this year's checkup shows you're fit as a fiddle, you eat well, you don't overdo anything, you're not overweight or underweight, you get plenty of exercise - then you probably can wait to get vaccinated.

If you're 52 and have a history of problems, you're not fit, you have asthma, you're overweight, medicated for stress, don't eat right - well YOU are the one who should get vaccinated. Even though you're not 65 yet.

All true, except you're forgetting that the older you get, the weaker your immune system becomes

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm calm. I figured from the beginning of the roll out of the vaccine that I would probably be vaccinated hopefully by this summer. What I'm concerned about is that the second dose is not being given in a timely manner. My concern is the efficacy of the vaccine will decline if the second shot is given late but I don't know that for sure. Has anyone heard about that?

Why 2300 people are overdue for their second shot is not clear to me just that it was stated on the news that this is a reality.

The experts do not yet know about the effects of not getting a 2nd dose of the Phizer or Moderna vaccine at the ideal time. This is because they have not had enough of the missed or late dosed people to study it. Probably soon some results will come in from the UK. They do believe that older adults will lose their protection from the 1st dose faster than young people when / if they miss that 2 nd dose at the ideal time.

[Topspinmo]

Here on news tonight they are starting to fly in from all over the world to get shot here in Florida? So, just when thought it turned corner another curve pops up.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The experts do not yet know about the effects of not getting a 2nd dose of the Phizer or Moderna vaccine at the ideal time. This is because they have not had enough of the missed or late dosed people to study it. Probably soon some results will come in from the UK. They do believe that older adults will lose their protection from the 1st dose faster than young people when / if they miss that 2 nd dose at the ideal time.

I find that true with most so called experts.

[runjoehuda]

The fist shot of the of the Moderna vaccine is 80 -90 effective.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by runjoehuda

The fist shot of the of the Moderna vaccine is 80 -90 effective.

That is not what I have heard, over and over and over on all sorts of different news sources. Those vaccinations have a 50% efficacy with the first shot. The second shot brings the efficacy up to 94.5 or 95%.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Here on news tonight they are starting to fly in from all over the world to get shot here in Florida? So, just when thought it turned corner another curve pops up.

Seriously? How are they vaccinating foreigners before US citizens? How can that be?

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Saw this on the news tonight. I was afraid this was going to happen. I have no idea how this impacts the vaccine efficacy if the 2nd shot is late. Anyone know?

This is one reason I don't mind waiting to be vaccinated. I would like to see this massive vaccination process be more reliable before I get my first shot.

Maybe the 2,300 didn’t like the experience, confused over needing a second dose, or maybe they just died.