Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1879573)

Oh you mean like Florida? The state that hasn’t imposed or forced laws on us and we’re doing ok, especially considering it’s the largest population of seniors....yes NY is considered a hotspot again, why do you think they are shutting everything down again...

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1879589)

Thank you for the share. I have to say I was very hesitant about watching because I so over the mask talk but this guy explains it very well and keeps it to a matter of fact.
Thanks again and going to share

Originally Posted by Jokomo (Post 1879628)

I agree with your reporting categories. Not kidding! I suggest supplies of vaccines be allocated first to those of us who wore masks, and took the pandemic seriously, and did our part to stop the spread. For those who grocery shopped or attended spreader events without masks, go to the end of the line.

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1879423)

Great video, thanks for sharing it! It's a shame that most people will probably never see it and an even bigger shame that too many that do see it still won't believe it.

Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1879320)

And look how well masks have worked already.

Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1879320)

And look how well masks have worked already.

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1879380)

How can you tell?

Maybe they should be reporting with and without mask infection data....with and without masks new cases.....with and without masks death rate....

(Just kidding (I think).:duck:

Originally Posted by Tblue (Post 1879447)

Do we know how much of the virus is attached to droplets? Maybe half, maybe 70% maybe 10%. I have worn a mask for 37 years, it does not make me an expert, but I can tell you at times I had to place some tape over the mask at the bridge of my nose to prevent my glasses from fogging up when I would breath. So if some of the virus does attached to droplets then how much is just exhaled around the top of the mask, both sides of the mask, or bottom of the mask. Maybe some of the virus is trapped in the mask as you said, a very good thing, but everyone fiddles with the mask and reuses the mask. Watch anyone at Lowes, as they walk in, out comes the mask from their pocket or purse. When they walk out usually off comes the mask, back into the pocket or purse or the console of the car, to be reused. Has anyone given any thought that just maybe masks are helping to spread this virus? The answer is yes, some researchers have looked at that, and suggest maybe the masks are spreading the virus. Sorry I do not have it at hand. Look it up yourself. One last question that was proposed to me, if masks work then why are there not proper places to dispose of a used masks?

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1879487)

Absolutely, and breathing in fresh air and not your own CO2 all day...I saw 2 people again yesterday driving around alone in their cars with masks and gloves on....wth....insanity...

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1879488)

The reason for that is the massive NON COMPLIANCE of anti-maskers. Look at the big picture. Our bubble of The Villages is not a good example of the compliance of mask wearing. We in The Villages are a population of seniors so the compliance for mask wearing seems to be better than the rest of our country.

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1879498)

I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1879830)

The news IS old news in S. Korea and New Zealand because they reacted quickly with masks and other quick reactions. It IS in THEIR rearview mirror. It can NOT be in the US's rearview because CV in the US is INCREASING. Until the CV is brought close to zero in the US, the subject of SAFETY requires mask-wearing to be at the FOREFRONT of mind and communication. Seat belts and speed limits HAD to be talked about until such time as MOST people were in COMPLIANCE with those socially needed programs. Safety personnel at local governments are key to COMPLIANCE by citizens. I don't understand the "John Wayne" mentality that SLOWS acceptance of government or CDC rules (in this case). I ask - merely - what is best for society - and will STOP asking (gladly) when the CV is OVER.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1879504)

As has been shown with so many other subjects, there will be a core of people who will never be swayed by, and are actually allergic, to facts and the truth.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1879564)

So I thought the same thing until my sister explained why she sometimes wears a mask in her car when she’s alone (yes she feels silly) my sister is a teacher, our mom needed to be driven weekly to PT appointment and because my sister works full time when she would pick up mom they would wear mask in the car together. Then my sister got to thinking if I drive 20 minutes to mom house then she get in the car mom is breathing in my sisters air. So my sister now wears her mask on the way to moms house. So you don’t know why someone is wearing a mask, yes I told you both are wear in the car at the same time. She again said but my germs are still in the air and she felt better safe then sorry, moms 85 and dad is 90 so being overly careful makes since......and I have to agree

Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1879632)

Would love to know this guy's credentials and sources. Would also love his answer to how an airborne virus cannot enter your bloodstream thru your eyes and ears. I find it a bit humorous that those who adamantly demand mask wearing by everyone feel it is ok to take theirs off while sharing a table at a public restaurant. Apparently they believe that the virus takes a break while they are eating and drinking. It also seems to not be present at massive "social injustice" gatherings and at parties and dinners attended by autocratic Governors. I just wish there was as much concern for those in Nursing homes being prevented from personal visits and hugs from family members; business owners whose businesses have been designated "non-essential; school children unable to have a normal childhood with social interaction and parents unable to go to work because their kids can't go to school. There is also no mention of the increases in drug abuse, overdoses, depression, and suicides brought on by this "isolation", as well as the increased risks to those who have had to put off needed treatments and surgeries that have put their health and their very lives at increased risk. The "cure" cannot be worse than the disease and you cannot destroy the lives of tge 99% financially, physically, psychologically and spiritually for the sake of the 1%.

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1879687)

Is this person a Dr. or just someone that doesn’t wear a mask. Just wondering!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1879710)

Yes, the word "compliance" comes to mind. Americans like to "buck" the system, therefore, compliance in our country is dreadful.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1879784)

This is a video that should be viewed by all the stubborn anti-mask folks.

Please all you naysayers or simply stubborn folks out there, even if you choose not to accept that mask usage helps you stay virus-free, wear one in respect for the rest of us! Please, please.

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1879788)

The highest number of cases is where everything is shut down and masks are required🤔

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1879837)

It is far from being in South Korea's rear view mirror. The bottom line, it is spiking almost everywhere in the world. Take a break and step off your soapbox for awhile.

South Korea, once hailed as early COVID success, sees spike in cases - CBS News

South Korea had seemed to be winning the fight against the coronavirus: Quickly ramping up its testing, contact-tracing and quarantine efforts paid off when it weathered an early outbreak without the economic pain of a lockdown. But a deadly resurgence has reached new heights during Christmas week, prompting soul-searching on how the nation sleepwalked into a crisis.

The 1,241 infections on Christmas Day were the largest daily increase. Another 1,132 cases were reported Saturday, bringing South Korea's caseload to 55,902.

Over 15,000 were added in the last 15 days alone. An additional 221 fatalities over the same period, the deadliest stretch, took the death toll to 793.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1879865)

If total fatalities are ONLY 793 for ALL the CV period, then that just proves my point. And 221 deaths over S. Korea's last 15 days also proves MY point because Florida has averaged around 90 death per day for our recent period. I could have used multiple countries to prove MY point New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and just about ALL of the Scandinavian Countries. My point is for people to look OUTSIDE the US for examples of good Governance in an emergency and other problem situations. Do not assume that the US does well for its citizens in comparison to other countries. Make THAT comparison and see. The US DID well (past tense) in the 50s but NOT so much today. Just compare and look at world-wide charts - they are READILY available.

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1879875)

It does not prove your point at all. (Well maybe in your mind it does) You stated that CV was in South Korea's rear view mirror. That would indicate that in your mind South Korea had beaten the virus. South Korea is now experiencing their worst spike of this pandemic. Does that really sound like a success to you? Does that sound like it's in their rear view mirror? To me it looks like it's splattering all over their windshield. Yes, they did great in the beginning but they are now experiencing ICU bed shortages just like everyone else. It proves this virus can get to anyone regardless of how good they think their preventative measures are.

And my point is that the virus is spiking in many places all around the world. Not just in the America you hate so much.

You've expressed your opinion ad nauseum. We know your thoughts on this subject. There is no reason you need to reply to EVERY post in EVERY Covid related thread. After awhile you just become background noise.

Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1879756)

Oh stop it. That’s life no matter the issue is or how serious it is. People will not all make the same decisions. And no matter what the decision is that an individual makes, good or bad there will always be someone who does not agree. Get over it and move on.

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1879905)

I'm not real sure what you want me to stop, get over or move on from. :confused: Is it the fact that some people are determined to find fringe opinions from the small number of specialists that buck the vast majority? (Kinda like the "herd immunity" proponents?) Bad decisions and ignorance have cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives already. When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement...

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1879905)

I'm not real sure what you want me to stop, get over or move on from. :confused: Is it the fact that some people are determined to find fringe opinions from the small number of specialists that buck the vast majority? (Kinda like the "herd immunity" proponents?) Bad decisions and ignorance have cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives already. When people STILL cling to conspiracy theories and decide to discount the multitudes of Doctors & Scientists, it's difficult to just chalk that up merely as a disagreement...

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1879865)

If total fatalities are ONLY 793 for ALL the CV period, then that just proves my point. And 221 deaths over S. Korea's last 15 days also proves MY point because Florida has averaged around 90 death per day for our recent period. I could have used multiple countries to prove MY point New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and just about ALL of the Scandinavian Countries. My point is for people to look OUTSIDE the US for examples of good Governance in an emergency and other problem situations. Do not assume that the US does well for its citizens in comparison to other countries. Make THAT comparison and see. The US DID well (past tense) in the 50s but NOT so much today. Just compare and look at world-wide charts - they are READILY available.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1880368)

It's your right to criticize your country but the US is ranked 10th in covid deaths per million with Belgium being first.

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1879486)

Yeah especially for California and New York, along with quarantines...they are now the biggest hotspots...yup...smdh

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1879498)

I think this debate about masks has been beaten to death. Have your own opinion. Dont shove it off on everyone. Wear a mask if that is your desire and stay away from people or places where they arent worn. If you decide to not wear a mask, expect to be banned from numerous stores and businesses. Simple. Make your choice and live with the consequences. But lets move on in life and end the debate! Its old news!!

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1879100)

If your physician isn't telling you to wear a mask, then I'd change doctors!

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1879573)

Oh you mean like Florida? The state that hasn’t imposed or forced laws on us and we’re doing ok, especially considering it’s the largest population of seniors....yes NY is considered a hotspot again, why do you think they are shutting everything down again...

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1880481)

Just for clarification, the US has the 10th worst ratio of Covid deaths per million in the world according to Statista, and similar positions on other sites. 403 Forbidden
While this doesn't exactly tell the entire story, it is a startling statistic in any case.

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1879788)

The highest number of cases is where everything is shut down and masks are required🤔

Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1879714)

And this is why we have the highest death rate in the world. Amazing how far people will go to find other stupid people to agree with them about anything..again, look at all the cults, hell Hitler still has a huge following...j

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl08 (Post 1884803)

They can say this all day long but is it truth??? India isn't counting, South of the Border (and all of South America) isn't counting, Russia counting? AND HOW ABOUT CHINA?? And, what is actually killing our Americans? Is it their aging heart and immune system? Would they have died had they had the seasonal flu or pneumonia? Don't get me wrong; dying all alone because of Covid is just horrible.

Speaking of the flu . . . why haven't we heard about any influenza cases this flu season?? Just curious.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1885334)

Could it be because of folks wearing masks in public indoor spaces and social distancing? Since reading this forum and doing some research on the subject, I have found out that the flu virus is NOT a coronavirus. The flu virus is an influenza virus. So.....folks who are positive for Covid can not be positive for flu unless the person is unfortunate enough to have both viruses at the same time.

Bottom line.......Positive reports of Covid are not being made for people who actually only have the flu virus.