Hmmmm one side had perfect early mail in vote and perfect ID at polls , the other side had all illegal mail in ballots and fake Id ‘S at polls hmmmmm

Voter fraud is almost non existent, it's a fantasy created by someone who cannot stand to lose, was setting up to have a reason why he lost.

Voting procedures are established by laws passed by the various state legislatures. There are wide variations in those procedures.

Instances of “voter fraud” are demonstrable and provable violations of our state voting laws, not just what you think or wish is evidence of fraud.

Think of it this way...would you be so certain that you have observed or experienced instances of voter fraud that you would hire an attorney to file a lawsuit asserting fraud and pay the legal fees from hour own pocket? If you weren’t sure it was a violation of state voting laws, or if you didn’t have the evidence to prove your assertion, chances are it wasn’t “fraud”.

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Me too, Gracie. I don't think we're alone on this one!

Me too Gracie. I have felt that way for the last 4 years. However, I am encouraged by the majority of the people in this nation and they have spoken. It has given me new faith that we will become a United States of America.

In PA they have had 19 watchers from both sides INSIDE watching the counting. DJT said there was none. A blatant lie that only finds the ears of those who want to believe. So sad....

There is a study that says your more likely to get hit by lightning then get away with voter fraud.

There is a study that says your more likely to get hit by lightning then get away with voter fraud. Getting Hit by Lightning Is More Common Than Voter Fraud in the US

I've always been asked to show ID when I vote. Getting Hit by Lightning Is More Common Than Voter Fraud in the US

The problem is unsolicited mass mailed ballots. That is why they are looking closely at Nevada.

Briefly, in Nevada, as in other states, the voter rolls can be dirty, meaning they have deceased people and people who have moved out of state. Again, in Nevada, they mail out ballots to everyone on the voter roll. Multiple ballots end up at the same address because there was a person living there who is now deceased or there is a live person(s) living at that address currently. Also, in Nevada, they changed the rules so that the ballot is not verified by a signature. This leads to ballot harvesting; people, some of whom are paid by taxpayer dollars, can help the voter to fill out the ballot, and/or collect bundles of ballots. These bundles can be set aside and as the vote count goes on, they know how many votes they need to win so they just count more ballots from those in the bundle. There is photographic evidence in previous Nevada elections of ballots just laying out on the street and in the gutters. Especially along the strip. My understanding is that the lawsuit brought by the Trump administration in Nevada wants to prove that this type of mass mailing of ballots leads to systemic voter fraud across multiple states. This is how it may end up at the SC.

This is what happened in CA in 2018 (where ballot harvesting is legal) when multiple candidates for the House who 'won' their elections were later told they had lost. One rep. was even sworn in before being told they had lost. There was no push back on this so it continues. It is also what was happening to Scott and DeSantis in 2018. As the evening wore on, boxes of ballots were being found under desks, in car trunks, etc. in Broward and Palm Beach Counties. DeSantis cleaned this up, which was instrumental in FL having such a successful uncontested election in 2020.

It does not matter what party you belong to. Every citizen should be concerned and want fair elections with integrity. If they can commit fraud this election, then they can commit fraud in another election. That goes for either party. Remember the recent case in NC where a Republican was committing fraud and the whole election result was thrown out and the election held again. The American people have lost so much faith in their institutions and if they lose faith in the integrity of our elections, that is of great importance to us as a nation. We should all stand together and reject any voter fraud because it is not a partisan issue.

There have been hundreds of studies of voter fraud in the US and they always show that it is non-existent or minuscule. The continuing narrative saying it exists is just another worthless conspiracy theory.

What is your source for saying this? Talk is cheap...

If Americans have "lost faith" it is almost entirely caused by false claims (like yours) of voter fraud. In the end, truth will conquer all the BS claims.

Actually in PA the state Democrats wanted to count the votes early as they came in. It was the Republican controlled house in PA that decided on counting the mail-in votes on the day of the election. It is them that caused this delay. Why Pennsylvania is still counting votes after Election Day - ABC News

There has been absolutely no proof of Voter Fraud, only conspiracy theories, and the instance by the Loser.

Source for "no observers in some states" please? I can't find that anywhere.

Yes, I too watched that FOX rebuttal on the NO OBSERVERS in PA. Such terrible lies from DJT that can only harm our country. We need to heal as a country.

This fact was repeated on Fox&Friends this morning as with other Conservative-controlled legislators.

your name says New Englander, so you know how it goes up there. whenever a certain candidate pulls ahead, the counting mysteriously stops until they can 'find' more ballots. they usually turn up somewhere in Bridgeport, typically in someone's car trunk, & are all marked for the same person.
as for what is going on today? i see a lot of hanging chads in our future

From the Fort Collin Coloradan newspaper
 

"Since 2006, five cases of voter fraud have led to criminal convictions in Colorado, according to a database maintained by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research and education institution."

Colorado has used mail in ballots for years without problems. I don't know if these five cases involved 5 ballots or more, but it would be hard to pull off on a massive scale.

I believe a paper ballot mailed in is more secure and less likely to be tampered with than a voting machine hooked up to the internet.

The scale of the fraud that would be required to change the outcome of most national or state elections would be much easier through "high" tech than the "low" tech paper ballot.

In Illinois you do not need an ID to vote. Verbal confirmation of your name, address and DOB is all that is requested. And you receive a regular ballot - not provisional.

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Then the TOTV banned me a while back for my FREEDOM OF SPEACH for mentioning a certain party & the person who thinks they’re President & lied like H_ _ _ in the debate. The election was a joke!

For heavens sake, I did not make up what I just wrote. It can be verified. This is not a partisan issue.

Would love to hear your factual basis for your claim.

Links, etc

Please supply a factual basis for your claims.

Didn’t Republican get these
 

get these unsolicited ballots , are people suggesting without any proof but one mans claims that we should have a new election even when people in charge of the elections both Republican and Democrat say they have no proof of fraud . The whole world is not only laughing but appalled that the greatest democracy in the world is acting like some banana republic

Maybe it’s time to overhaul the 230 year old Constitution. It was written as a compromise to institutionalize slavery and we have been digging out ever since.

I maintain that all our elections are honest and democratic, notwithstanding very few instances...ALL REPORTED AND INVESTIGATED

I am seeing no valid reasons for these false claims, certainly not on this forum, and not anywhere in this country.

Lateness of counting, and leaning of votes is easily and often xplained. I suggest that most of the "supposed" issues are the result of the GOP legislature in these states laws and rules.

If one side it committing fraud, they suck at it, because that fraud was not successful in so many cases on the same ballot as the accused fraud.

You are correct. We, the USA, are very much the butt of jokes all over the world. Our country seems to be in the mode of crying and accusing, instead of embracing our process.

Nope: remember Bush vs Gore. Florida state POPO roadblocks. Ohio moving around polling stations. People everywhere being told their polling places have just been moved. So many old people just want to go back to the Old Fashion Voting Fraud. Maybe only just because it only favored their party. Wake up it's 2020 and in four years we'll all most likely be voting on line.
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Widespread voter fraud is a myth created by the losing party in an attempt to manipulate an election in their favor. Also known as cheating. Truth, honesty, and fairness is implicit in the foundations of our country. If there is fraud, where is the evidence? Show us the proof, or it is obvious you are attempting to cheat, and subvert democracy. Let move on from this obvious attempt to change a result you don’t like.

I too believe Florida handled the election well. Perhaps all states need to allow counting of mail in ballots prior to election day so there won't be so much delay.

Florida was a slam dunk for Trump. It was not close so of course Florida was called on election night. Having said that, if Florida was a tight race such as Penn. then Florida would also have to count every single vote to have a winner for the state.

I've been that way for 4 years, your turn.

Then maybe it is OK for me to say that I am relatively happy!

Mail-in ballots were part of a plot to deny Lincoln reelection in 1864

Traveling to Baltimore in the fall of 1864, Orville Wood had no way of knowing he would soon uncover the most elaborate election conspiracy in America’s brief history. Wood was a merchant from Clinton County in the most northeastern corner of New York. As a supporter of President Abraham Lincoln, he was tasked with visiting troops from his hometown to “look after the local ticket.” New York legislators had only established the state’s mail-in voting system in April with the intent of ensuring the suffrage of White troops battling the Confederate Army.

The results of the 1864 elections would heavily affect the outcome of the war. Lincoln and his supporters in the National Union Party sought to continue the war and defeat the Confederacy outright. Meanwhile antiwar Democrats, also referred to as Copperheads, looked for an immediate compromise with the Confederate leaders and the end of the abolition movement. Troops from New York were allowed to authorize individuals back home to cast a vote on their behalf. Along with their mail-in ballots, troops would assign their power of attorney on slips that required four signatures: the voter’s, the person authorized as a recipient, a witness to the signed affidavit and a fellow officer. These documents would be sealed in an envelope and shipped back home to be counted in the final vote. This was the process that Orville Wood intended to uphold, he would testify in court later. He quickly found out what a challenge that would be. Wood arrived at Fort McHenry in Baltimore to visit with the 91st New York Regiment. There, an Army captain suggested that there had been some “checker playing” when it came to the gathering of soldiers’ mail-in ballots. These suspicions of fraud were echoed when Wood visited wounded men at the Newton University Hospital. The rumors of wrongdoing led Wood to the office of Moses Ferry in Baltimore.

Ferry had been selected by New York Gov. Horatio Seymour to help oversee the voting process for New York’s enlisted men. Seymour had vetoed the initial bill to establish mail-in voting and would go on to run against Ulysses S. Grant in the 1868 presidential election. Wood masked his suspicions as he entered Ferry’s office, portraying himself as a strong supporter of Lincoln’s opponent, George McClellan. This was enough to gain Ferry’s trust, he testified later.

Ferry told Wood that the votes from New York’s 91st Regiment had already been tallied: 400 for McClellan and 11 for Lincoln.

Wood returned to the office later and, following Ferry’s instructions, began forging signatures of the 16th New York Cavalry. Meanwhile, a clerk sat across the room signing ballots from the roster of names Wood had brought with him from home. Wood asked to personally deliver these fraudulent ballots, but Ferry said they would have to receive final approval from his colleague in Washington — Edward Donahue Jr. Donahue soon arrived in Baltimore and met with Wood. It was revealed during this conversation that around 20 co-conspirators were already at work in D.C. to aid in the plot to deliver votes to McClellan. The following day Wood watched as Donahue and his crew formed a sort of assembly line, passing blank papers along to one another to be signed with the names of active enlisted men, wounded and dead soldiers, and officers who never existed.

In addition to operations in D.C. and Baltimore, the scheme extended back to New York. Donahue had received rosters of soldiers from military officials and members of law enforcement. A letter from Gen. J.A. Ferrell read, “Inclosed in this package you will find tickets, also a list of names of the actual residents of Columbia County, now members of the 128th Regiment. With my best wishes for your success.” A letter from Albany Sheriff H. Cromdell offered to send additional men to assist in Baltimore. The letter read, “All is well here, and we are confident of complete success. It is unnecessary to say that all here have entire confidence in your skill and abetting, and hope you like your help.”

Also discovered in Ferry’s office was a list of around 400 names belonging to sick and wounded soldiers under treatment at a nearby hospital. In reference to the roster, Ferry joked, “Dead or alive, they all had cast a good vote.”

Ferry, Donahue, and their fellow conspirators found humor in their work. One accomplice mocked the outcry he expected from abolitionist newspapers following the corruption of the election. The men bragged about their past successes in fixing local elections back home. Together, the men had shipped crates of fraudulent votes back to New York. But their scheme was over. Wood reported the operation to authorities. Ferry’s office was searched, and on the morning of Oct. 27, 1864 — less than two weeks before the election — he and Donahue stood trial before a military commission. Ferry offered a full confession that same day, even offering up the names of others involved in the scheme. Donahue proved more of a challenge. Following the first day of the trial, a reporter for the New York Times wrote, “The honest electors of the state of New York have escaped an extensive and fearful fraud, a fraud in keeping with the proclivities of the party in whose behalf it was initiated, but one that, if unexposed might have subverted the honest will of the people and left the state and the nation at the mercy of those who would make peace with rebellion and fellowship with traitors.”

Arrests in New York and Washington continued to mount as Donahue returned to trial. Following Wood’s damning testimony and supporting evidence, Donahue begged for mercy from the court. He was a young man, newly married, with no previous record. He visibly wilted as he realized the weight of his current situation, no longer expressing the defiance with which he had entered the proceedings. The judge advocate addressed the tribunal, saying that Donahue had engaged in one of the most gigantic frauds ever attempted in America — “a fraud which, if it shall be successful, will, in my opinion, have produced a disruption of our entire country, and our war for the preservation of the Union will be practically at an end and futile.”

In the months following Lincoln’s victory — he won 221 electoral votes to McClellan’s 21 — anti-abolitionist newspapers attacked his legitimacy, calling the trial another aspect of a conspiracy conducted by the president to ensure his reelection.

The commission that oversaw Ferry and Donahue’s trial recommended life in prison for the two men who sought to corrupt the election by mail. The president, who would soon be slain, approved.

You may be right, BUT I saw two people get sent home to get their IDs from early voting. I cannot understand how anyone would leave home without some form of ID, even if not a Villages ID, which they will take here.

Not fishy at all. BEFORE Election Day, it was reported by all networks that initially on election night, Trump is going to have a very significant lead. Why? Because Trump encouraged his base to VOTE IN PERSON AT THE POLLS. We all know that the democrats take this virus very seriously and were not willing to go to the polls to cast their votes. Most democrats VOTED BY MAIL.

The votes to be counted first were the ballots cast on election day at the polls. Hence, big surge for Trump. Then after all those votes were to be counted, then the mail in votes would be counted. Hence, Biden surged ahead of Trump. I was expecting this to happen and I figured the country would understand what was predicted before Election Day.

What was predicted to happen has come to fruition. I'm not surprised.