Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1804949)

"Millions" of slaves? Sorry, but 388,000 is closer to reality.
Not going to argue what Jesus would or would not do, because I everyone has their own beliefs. And I won't convince someone of my beliefs that is not a believer by arguing.
What is it about Socialism that some folks seem to think that it is the cure all for everyone, when the fact is that it only helps the lazy or unable. There are programs that handle that aspect of society very well. There is no need to bring down the middle class and the wealthy just to coddle a small group.
One thing is for sure, we have a gov that is way too large and powerful. And we have a growing mass of citizens that are becoming more and more dependent on a gov nanny to take care of them and make decisions for them.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1804956)

I really didn't like to read this. I try very hard not to hurt anyone because of their beliefs or lack of them. For many of us our faith is a valid living thing and for many of us it is a gentle tradition with good memories of family times. (By the way, there are two Marys, one was the mother of Christ and one was a prostitute, and most of us feel defensive of them both) One of the things I do like about Christianity is the thought that we should try to be kind to each other. It doesn't feel like the poster is "sorry for the rant".

It really wounded me to read this. In my whole life no one has ever said anything like this in my hearing. I am not a church goer but I respect religion and know that it is precious to many.

Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1804900)

If you have no money no hospital will refuse to see you. Also if you have no money now you can get free health care As the government will pay for it. What your saying is a myth.

Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1805101)

Try getting an expensive procedure without coverage.

Originally Posted by Dharrisoncmo@gmail.com (Post 1804693)

If you are serious - about what happened in Venezuela - I'll share what happened there - and - some other countries including Greece. In the research viewing what is called the GINI index its correlation with societies - we do have reasons to worry.

You are right - Venezuela was the shining light of S. America. If you charted the GINI index - it became the widest in world of democratic countries. What's the GINI index? It's a mathematical formula that measures the difference between the wealthiest in a society versus the middle class. Throughout history - when that index becomes it's most extremes - society snaps. The middle class says "this isn't a fair game anymore." The result is socialism - and/or dictatorships.

Can you guess what country has a GINI index that has become the most extreme in the world - and especially in the past 4 years? USA. For example, if you went back 50 years in the United States, the difference in wealth between the top 1% and the middle class was 7 times. Now it is over 30 times.

Here's a question to ask. Let's say you LOVE the game MONOPOLY. And - they change one rule. If you win - you get to keep all the money you made going into the next game. You didn't win the first game. What's the chance you'll win the second game. And- five games later, do you still want to play.

Please understand - I'm an ADAM SMITH capitalist (the father of the philosophy). The system has been GREAT for me and my family. While I worked hard - I also know that luck did come into pay - much like most that did well financially. However, I worry for my grandchildren that the pain of what is becoming the majority of our society is going to snap - and - we'll become another Venezuela.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1804903)

There are 2 SEPERATE problems here. One is illegal immigration and too much legal also. I would agree with that. Universap Health Care is the 2nd issue. It fixes the problem of health care and keeps prices down. That's what Medicate and the V.A. health system do. It should be made universal. The other post incorrectly blended the 2 problems. Yes, there COULD be blending of the 2 problems. But, it does NOT have to be that way. It WORKS in Europe. The US is a magnet for illegals because rich people and corporations (like in Las Vegas) desire slave-like workers at very low wages. That is a problem that drags all aspects of America downward-toward Venezuela like 3rd world status.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1805130)

Allow me to say what I firmly believe. Do without to save money for something that you may crucially need in the future. SAVE MONEY even if you don't get a haircut, or nails done, or a better car or steak, ever. Try very hard to plan for things that are awful. Many people lived their lives that way in this country before we were born.

And if you are not doing it now... well, you may be in a mess.

Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1805254)

I'm listening (this morning) to a podcast conversation with Curtis Bowers who made 2 dvd movies called Adjenda and Adjenda 2: Masters of Deceit. I googled him and it brought up the Amazon site to purchase these. I read some of the reviews and it's NOT about a conspiracy theory at all. I suggest maybe checking these out. They refer to what's going on around us.

Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1804900)

If you have no money no hospital will refuse to see you. Also if you have no money now you can get free health care As the government will pay for it. What your saying is a myth.

Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1804842)

The problem with universal health care in the US is it is just that, free health care for the universe. Anyone coming here legally or illegally will be entitled to it. Other countries are much stricter about who comes into their country, how long they can stay, and what benefits they are entitled. The US already has millions coming here every year and 22 million already here illegally along with their descendants. Universal health care is just another economic incentive to come here. A vial of insulin costs 9 times more here than Canada. It makes no sense to give economic incentives to come here and then pay 9 times more for their health care.