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ColdNoMore 06-09-2020 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1780885)
De

prefix
1.
(forming verbs and their derivatives) down; away.
"descend"
2.
(added to verbs and their derivatives) denoting removal or reversal.
"deaerate"

The actual definition(s)...are in post #12. :ho:

Northwoods 06-09-2020 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1780735)
Knowledge starts with a complete understanding...of the actual definition of a word.

Definition of "defunding." (Click Here)


Note that none of the examples states..."completely removing ALL financial support."[/B]



Versus the definition of..."unfunded."

UNFUNDED (Poke Here)


Hopefully, that makes things clearer...for some folks. :ho:
You might want to add the definition of "dismantling..."

Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar went beyond calls to defund the police, instead calling for dismantling the Minneapolis Police Department because it is “rotten to the root.”

“We need to completely dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. Because here’s the thing, there’s a cancer,” she said, continuing that amputation is needed so it doesn’t spread.

“The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root, and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer.”

golfing eagles 06-10-2020 04:58 AM
All I know, is that when an intruder is in my house and I call 911, I want a SWAT team, NOT a social worker

Windguy 06-10-2020 05:08 AM
It seems to me that much of the violence that requires police attention is over drugs. I think that if you legalize drugs, crime will plummet. But, that’s not going to happen because too many powerful people are getting rich off illegal drugs—from drug cartels to private prisons—and they are bribing our elected officials.

RoadToad 06-10-2020 05:55 AM
Spot on !!
 
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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1781031)
It seems to me that much of the violence that requires police attention is over drugs. I think that if you legalize drugs, crime will plummet. But, that’s not going to happen because too many powerful people are getting rich off illegal drugs—from drug cartels to private prisons—and they are bribing our elected officials.
Spot on !!
If you want to control something, make it legal, tax it, and legislate (manage) it.
"Illegal" things are only punishable, not manageable.
Prohibition did not and still does not work.
Legalization and licensing is what worked.

Ele201 06-10-2020 06:07 AM
Yes, I agree with you. It’s interesting how the same set of adversities affect people different ly.

One thing that needs to be addressed is — mental illness and addictions. These play a huge role in criminal behavior. And mental illness, not the person’s fault btw, can be hard to detect. But these areas deserve more attention and funding.

soniak4@gmail.com 06-10-2020 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1780720)
I'm a literal kind of guy. When a politician says they are going to "defund" the police I take the statement at face value. Maybe their goal is to shock the public so that when they come in with a plan that lowers the police budget and reallocates the funds to "social improvement programs" the sheep will just say "oh, that's MUCH better".
Exactly which “politician says they are going to “defund” the police? Exact quote please.

Dana1963 06-10-2020 07:35 AM
Camden has a poverty rate of 37.4 percent. A city that budgets 40% to policing and 10% to education and social welfare. Since 1990 we have seen a 30% drop in crime but a 445% percent increase for policing (FBI statictics). Teachers need to spend there own money for school supplies but it seems like there are government subsidies to buy military grade combat vechicles

Byte1 06-10-2020 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadToad (Post 1781074)
Spot on !!
If you want to control something, make it legal, tax it, and legislate (manage) it.
"Illegal" things are only punishable, not manageable.
Prohibition did not and still does not work.
Legalization and licensing is what worked.
I totally agree. Make dangerous substances legal so that the no-loads in society can kill themselves off....LEGALLY. And make more money for the government by taxing it so that the gov, that knows better than the lower minions also known as voters how to better spend our money can waste it some more and complain about not having enough money to give away to the surviving no-loads.

Byte1 06-10-2020 08:03 AM
It is very interesting how some on here have finally seen the light and decided that unions can be the cause of much consternation and duress. Thank you for pointing out the "failure" of unions.

Byte1 06-10-2020 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ele201 (Post 1781084)
Yes, I agree with you. It’s interesting how the same set of adversities affect people different ly.

One thing that needs to be addressed is — mental illness and addictions. These play a huge role in criminal behavior. And mental illness, not the person’s fault btw, can be hard to detect. But these areas deserve more attention and funding.
Citizens also deserve to be protected against those that are deemed/labeled as "mentally ill." Rather than steal funds from law enforcement, why not just allocate funding for those "behaviorists?"

Byte1 06-10-2020 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1781167)
Camden has a poverty rate of 37.4 percent. A city that budgets 40% to policing and 10% to education and social welfare. Since 1990 we have seen a 30% drop in crime but a 445% percent increase for policing (FBI statictics). Teachers need to spend there own money for school supplies but it seems like there are government subsidies to buy military grade combat vechicles
Armored vehicles are utilized to protect those that protect us. They are not weaponized for war. Rather than put our protector's lives in jeopardy by cutting their much needed and under funding, why not just allocate funding for school supplies. Perhaps utilize the state lottery like other states supposedly do for education?

ColdNoMore 06-10-2020 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1781167)
Camden has a poverty rate of 37.4 percent. A city that budgets 40% to policing and 10% to education and social welfare. Since 1990 we have seen a 30% drop in crime but a 445% percent increase for policing (FBI statistics). Teachers need to spend there own money for school supplies but it seems like there are government subsidies to buy military grade combat vehicles
Which explains a lot, on why we lead democratic nations on the planet...with the % per capita that are in prison. :oops:

After all, what kid can restrain themselves...from playing with their new toy(s)? :ohdear:

joseppe 06-10-2020 08:44 AM
So Why can't we KEEP police funding AND INCREASE SOCIAL SERVICES PROGRAMS or whatever they're advocating for the diversion of funds?

Defunding makes no sense to me. RETRAINING yes. REORGANIZATION yes. Let's not get to where we're giving criminals a free pass.

Grill Meister 06-10-2020 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1780552)
The goal is to reduce the risk that a person will BECOME a violent criminal in the first place. It isn't to stop people who are already violent criminals.

Most violent criminals have "issues" in their backgrounds that lead them to become violent criminals. It's not a goal. You don't hear Jimbob Villager's grandson say "I wanna be a violent criminal when I grow up, Pappy." You also don't hear Bobby Sue Trailermom's 14-year-old daughter say "Mama can I be a violent criminal when I get my drivers license?"

No - that doesn't happen. Something "happens" to cause people to become violent criminals. By improving education systems, social health and welfare, you increase the odds that kids will grow up to become productive members of society, and decrease the odds that they'll end up violent criminals.

This is all probability and statistics. Ask your local bookie, see what he thinks about it.

May I suggest.....rather than "improving education systems, social health and welfare, you increase the odds that kids will grow up to become productive members of society, and decrease the odds that they'll end up violent criminals", you start in the home. Teach your children respect, teach them to respect their elders, teach them to respect the law, teach them to respect themselves and life, and teach them to respect authority. So often the teaching in the home is sadly missing and is reflected in the attitude of the child, in their youth and in their adult life. They are being taught to defy authority, defy responsibility and defy taking control of their own actions. The education system and certainly social health and welfare are not going to have any positive effect if the parents don't provide the discipline in the home.


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