[blueash]

On July 10th we were presented with a new thread which began:

Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic
Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

The poster's complaint was that there were only 9 deaths on that day. He attacked the media for suggesting that things might be getting worse in Florida

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

Well guess what the media was right and we all should note that this was not panic porn, it was good reporting. Now that more and more cases are happening here, there are in fact more and more deaths. It is not just that increased testing is finding positives in low risk people.

It is that a whole lot more people are dying of Covid. Today was the highest new reported number of deaths, over 250. That's not panic porn. That's 253 Floridians whose death was reported today from Covid. And over 200 yesterday. So that surge in cases is now, as expected by people who recognize the seriousness of Covid, resulting in a surge in deaths

This graphic is from clickorlando.com

[Tennisbum]

break it out by county and see what and where the problems are.

[mamamia54]

I don’t understand why anyone would not take it seriously. People are dying, it’s not a joke.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Tennisbum

break it out by county and see what and where the problems are.

The problem is in Florida. Do you only care about your little piece? I care about all of the people and families impacted by Covid. I even care about non-Floridians.

[Stu from NYC]

Hope people start taking this more seriously and the vaccine comes before the end of this year

[GoodLife]

Fauci: "New York did it right"

Deaths per million residents:

New York City: 3872

New York State: 1680

Florida: 303

As long as Fauci does not give us any compliments, we should be ok.



Reporter: Boss, Florida's new cases seems to be going down

Editor: No worries, we'll go with new deaths, use the scary charts, not the date of death ones scientists use.

Reporter: But if cases keep going down, won't the deaths come down in a few weeks?

Editor: No worries, we'll go back to scare stories about how schools are dangerous

Reporter: But European schools have been open with no problems, Sweden kept their schools open and had zero deaths under 19, only 53 covid cases per 100k teachers and they can't say they caught it in the classroom.

Editor: We'll keep that under wraps, the virus is different here and the teachers unions will come up with some bogus scare studies and we can promote day care for kids in empty classrooms with adult supervisors which is much safer.

Reporter: Okay then, as long as I keep getting my paycheck. When can I start writing good news stories?

Editor: After November

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Fauci: "New York did it right"

Deaths per million residents:

New York City: 3872

New York State: 1680

Florida: 303

As long as Fauci does not give us any compliments, we should be ok.

Attachment 85539

Reporter: Boss, Florida's new cases seems to be going down

Editor: No worries, we'll go with new deaths, use the scary charts, not the date of death ones scientists use.

Reporter: But if cases keep going down, won't the deaths come down in a few weeks?

Editor: No worries, we'll go back to scare stories about how schools are dangerous

Reporter: But European schools have been open with no problems, Sweden kept their schools open and had zero deaths under 19, only 53 covid cases per 100k teachers and they can't say they caught it in the classroom.

Editor: We'll keep that under wraps, the virus is different here and the teachers unions will come up with some bogus scare studies and we can promote day care for kids in empty classrooms with adult supervisors which is much safer.

Reporter: Okay then, as long as I keep getting my paycheck. When can I start writing good news stories?

Editor: After November

Sad but this is what has become of journalism these days

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

I don’t understand why anyone would not take it seriously. People are dying, it’s not a joke.

With a respectful note of disagreement, I believe most people know exactly why it isn't taken seriously. As some high profile cases, and sadly deaths, plus drastically upwardly revised projections for this year have shown in the last few days though, it's definitely not a joke. Nor do I think it's a joke, that a lot of people want our young children, their teachers, bus drivers, school security, etc., to be used as test subjects for the goal of reaching a mythical 'herd immunity' for a nation of this size, without a sound national plan and defined procedures on how to achieve "getting back to normal."

[GoodLife]

Chartology 101

Media scare chart: Media loves these day of reporting charts, makes things look really bad, even though the headlines screams "deadliest day ever" all the deaths did not happen that day, most were earlier dates



Charts scientists and epidemiologists use are based on date of actual death. See the difference?



Same chart without the colors (from Florida Dashboard)



CDC also uses more scientific date of death charts. Anyone who try's to tell you the media charts are scientific is clueless. When the media says Florida is the next New York they are clueless too.

[Hoosierb4]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1810924]Fauci: "New York did it right"

Deaths per million residents:

New York City: 3872

New York State: 168

Florida: 303BAs long as Fauci does not give us any compliments, we should be ok.

Goodlife......Looking at the CDC covid data tracker, I see New York City deaths per million at 2800, New York State (excluding NYC) deaths per million at 790. Looking at total cases, the totals are about equal. But, looking at the last 7 days, New York State plus New York City total is 4,649. Florida's 7 day total is 71,331. New York had a lot of deaths early in the outbreak, when they didn't know how to treat it. But, they've learned how to reduce the number of cases.

[charmed59]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Chartology 101

Media scare chart: Media loves these day of reporting charts, makes things look really bad, even though the headlines screams "deadliest day ever" all the deaths did not happen that day, most were earlier dates

Attachment 85542

Charts scientists and epidemiologists use are based on date of actual death. See the difference?

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Same chart without the colors (from Florida Dashboard)

Attachment 85540

CDC also uses more scientific date of death charts. Anyone who try's to tell you the media charts are scientific is clueless. When the media says Florida is the next New York they are clueless too.

The last two charts have the warnings. “ Death data often has significant delays in reporting, so data within the past two weeks will be updated frequently.‘’

In other words. Those charts with the death numbers going down, count back 14 days and know those numbers will likely go up. The highest number of deaths is 13 days ago, and that number could get bigger.

[Two Bills]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics!!

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Lies, damned lies, and statistics!!

The propaganda lies by the mercenary media continues to keep everyone in panic mode. Their purpose is to destroy our beautiful country and our enemies are gleefully watching and waiting.

Don't believe everything you hear. Even salt looks like sugar.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.". Edward R. Murrow

[Hifred]

Herman Cain didn't take Covid 19 seriously. He wouldn't wear a mask and attended a large convention with many people in an indoor arena. He is dead now. When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee. Wear a mask, maintain social distancing, avoid large crowded indoor areas, and wash your hands often with soap and water. I have been saying this since February and have had a lot of negative criticism in March, April, May and June. Finally I am seeing people starting to listen.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by charmed59

The last two charts have the warnings. “ Death data often has significant delays in reporting, so data within the past two weeks will be updated frequently.‘’

In other words. Those charts with the death numbers going down, count back 14 days and know those numbers will likely go up. The highest number of deaths is 13 days ago, and that number could get bigger.

Maybe you weren't supposed to read those warnings or try to interpret their meaning; that could disrupt the 'desperate deniers' dialog.

Followed by an imaginary dialog between news-persons??? Maybe this one is just as valid:

Non-MSM influencer: How can I get people to believe that this virus response has been part of a conspiracy??

Some Doctor/Scientist: Here are beautiful, colorful charts that can be used for any argument you like. Sweden looks pretty good, wouldn't you say?

Influencer: Love the charts, but some evidence shows that Sweden wasn't particularly successful in stopping Covid-19 deaths compared to other nations.

Dr./Scientist: Then stop comparing them to only those nations! There must be US states that had worse results. Throw them into the conversation as a diversion.

Influencer: Some say that there are too many differences between Swedish & US people, such as their cultures, overall health, etc. Shouldn't that be taken into account?

Dr./Scientist:

Influencer: Point taken. More charts & graphs please!