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ColdNoMore 06-27-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Adagio43 (Post 1792875)
That you single out rich African Americans for criticism rather than wealthy people in general pretty much says it all.

YEP, you nailed the reason for the thread. :ohdear:

72lions 06-27-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792670)
You are missing my point. Charities don't create jobs, they create dependence. Plus a donation to a charity is tax deductible, backing an aspiring business person puts your money at risk and no tax deduction.

Your OP never used the word charity. Why now?

Sounds like you just want to not be part of the solution, preferring to maintain segregation as your comments about Koreans in KY suggest.

It is not the responsibility of blacks to help blacks any more than gays helping gays or women helping women.

We all gave a global responsibility to ensure systemic prejudice is minimized. It starts with each if us acknowledging that we all are part of the problem when we allow others to act upon their racism.

Number 10 GI 06-27-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 1792857)
Amazing the excuses not to give. Hope you folks volunteer your time, at least, instead. Florida is a poor state overall. Lots of opportunity to help, no matter the color of the recipients skin.

I have donated to charities all my life, my wife donated time working in a church that provided a clothes closet and food pantry for needy people. We belonged to a social club that gave out scholarship money to deserving students. Pathetic attempt on your part.

Meboko 06-27-2020 07:42 AM

Shark Tank
 
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1792704)
One of the guys on shark tank (black fellow cannot think of his name right now) does help entrepreneurs succeed.

Damon Johns

Number 10 GI 06-27-2020 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1792824)
There are plenty of Charities that are involved in job training and education so get off your high horse please Goodwill is one of them name atop one

Yeah these charities are really improving things for black Americans.

Jayhawk 06-27-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gregcharlesnelson@gmail (Post 1792774)
How many blacks in TV? I see a couple in my water classes, but not many...I'm from North Dakota

Kind of like North Dakota, right?

ColdNoMore 06-27-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1792902)
Your OP never used the word charity. Why now?

Sounds like you just want to not be part of the solution, preferring to maintain segregation as your comments about Koreans in KY suggest.

It is not the responsibility of blacks to help blacks any more than gays helping gays or women helping women.

We all gave a global responsibility to ensure systemic prejudice is minimized.

It starts with each if us acknowledging that we all are part of the problem when we allow others to act upon their racism.


Well stated! :thumbup:


That is the issue...in a nutshell!
:boom:


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Number 10 GI 06-27-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by parchiba49 (Post 1792858)
Guess one of your best friends is black also!
My dad was a truck driver, local only as they would not hire him for over-the road. "Get out, get a job. There's plenty out there if you're not too lazy...". Something I regularly do, as I drive, is notice how few, if any, blacks you see on road crews. If you do see them, they are the ones holding the flag for stop or slow. Is that because they are too lazy, or the company won't train them for the manual labor jobs higher up on the pay scale? Not easy to work your way up when there are no rungs on the ladder and thorns lining the poles! Some of you could use a course on thinking outside the box to learn how to walk in other people's shoes and get outside of your own narrow head.

If you would get outside the bubble you will see many black and women truck drivers on the interstate highways. I see all kinds of blacks working in construction here in TV. Go into any government office and you will see a greater percentage of black employees than they represent in the total population. I've seen a lot of white guys holding those stop and go signs. Your view is extremely narrow as you never see the successful blacks who overcame far more obstacles. But that ruins the narrative that blacks can't be successful doesn't it.

dewilson58 06-27-2020 08:08 AM

Not sure if this is the same point as the OP.......but I find it interesting that famous, rich, influential black Hollywood folks are not vocal about racism lately or even in the last few years. ( I classify most Hollywood folks as liberal.....jus my opin)



Why aren't those people who might have the ears of others, the money to spend, the time to invest out fighting racism?? Posting a Instagram is worthless.



There have been may black people of influence posting videos blaming the protested issues on black people themselves. As an example, Morgan Freeman has not hide his opinion.




:shrug:

Number 10 GI 06-27-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gregcharlesnelson@gmail (Post 1792774)
How many blacks in TV? I see a couple in my water classes, but not many...I'm from North Dakota

I believe you will have to ask blacks outside the bubble why they don't want to live here. I've not seen any signs that warn blacks not to be here when the sun goes down. The only way we found out about TV was through friends that moved here and they found out the same as we did, from a friend living here. How does TV advertise living here by only targeting white people and blocking blacks.

rlcooper70 06-27-2020 08:15 AM

No offense ... but it almost seems that you are placing blame on black america for the issues of today ... the issue is the dog whistle that half cannot hear ... one narrative (yours seemingly) starts in 1964 with attempts at racial justice .. the other narrative starts at 1620. Advocates of one narrative seem unable to hear the other narrative - dog whistle analogy.

Blacks give to charities. Okay. And blacks in the inner city are in deep trouble. We get it. And every time a black kid is brought before a judge and given probation ... does he become unemployable in white society?

We got problems people - and trying to simplify and place blame (as does this email) ... is it a responsible form of communication to pretend the "other" side is irrelevant? Conundrum huh?

Number 10 GI 06-27-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1792902)
Your OP never used the word charity. Why now?

Sounds like you just want to not be part of the solution, preferring to maintain segregation as your comments about Koreans in KY suggest.

It is not the responsibility of blacks to help blacks any more than gays helping gays or women helping women.

We all gave a global responsibility to ensure systemic prejudice is minimized. It starts with each if us acknowledging that we all are part of the problem when we allow others to act upon their racism.

I don't know where you got the idea I suggest/support segregation, take a reading comprehension class. I stated that a group of people that face some discrimination help each other and are very successful doing so. I know it's too hard for some people to understand self-reliance. It's easier to mouth platitudes instead of actually doing something.

"We all gave a global responsibility to ensure systemic prejudiced is minimized." :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

aallbrand 06-27-2020 08:35 AM

Villagers -run your posts by a neutral party, you may mean well but this kind of talk is racist , Unless you are a person of color or a minority you have no idea what its like to be discriminated against . Rich people of color people do as much for people of color as rich white people do for other white people.

Kneeling during the anthem is not disrespectful to America it is done to try to end young blacks being slaughtered by law enforcement .

In my opinion the national anthem has no place in sports to being with .

As a Jewish Villager I can tell you the villages are full of great people but also have lots of racist. I can not count the times I have had other villagers make anti Semitic remarks in conversation with me , not knowing. I was Jewish.

How are you trying to help the world ?

Dust Bunny 06-27-2020 08:37 AM

Morgan Freeman has done a lot- Check him out

Haggar 06-27-2020 08:39 AM

Under the tax law passes a few years back couples were given the choice of taking a deduction for itemized deductions or $24,00 which is higher. (Higher for 2019 and even higher for seniors.)

Most couples I do returns for do not come up to the $24,000 but continue to give to charity, whether their own church or temple, American Cancer Society or whatever charity they ordinarily give to. I believe strongly most people give to charity not because they get a tax deduction but because they believe in helping others.

Large corporations also give to charities (such as Covid relief) not because they get a tax deduction but because it's part of their corporate policy. Even though they get a tax deduction and save 40% of their contribution in taxes it's still costing them 60%.

Veiragirl 06-27-2020 08:41 AM

Put your money where your mouth is
 
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792639)
Rich athletes taking a knee claiming racist treatment of blacks. How many of these multi millionaire athletes have used some of their money to back a black entrepreneur to establish a business in a black area? A business that would provide jobs in these areas for the people living there. Besides Oprah Winfrey how many other rich blacks are helping out fellow blacks with their riches? If there are any why isn't the media championing these individuals?

I used to live near Ft. Campbell, KY. As with any area around a military base there are foreign born spouses that married a military person. There is a large group of Koreans in that area and they help each other, a very tight group. If one of them wants to borrow money they do not go to a bank, there are people in the group that will lend the money to them. They help each other when starting a business by patronizing that business or working for the new business owner. When one gets sick someone steps in and helps them out where ever necessary.

Instead of taking a knee put your money where your mouth is and do something that will really help fellow blacks. Just like the Hollywood types that emcee a charity fund raising event. I remember one was asked how much they donated and the response was they were donating their time to emcee the show. Can't part with that money, it's mine.

How about Kanye West and all the Kardashians among MANY others .:bigbow:

dewilson58 06-27-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dust Bunny (Post 1792983)
Morgan Freeman has done a lot- Check him out




Oh I have. His quote, making it a bigger issue than it needs to be......


Morgan Freeman on race...and his birthday - YouTube

parchiba49 06-27-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792928)
If you would get outside the bubble you will see many black and women truck drivers on the interstate highways. I see all kinds of blacks working in construction here in TV. Go into any government office and you will see a greater percentage of black employees than they represent in the total population. I've seen a lot of white guys holding those stop and go signs. Your view is extremely narrow as you never see the successful blacks who overcame far more obstacles. But that ruins the narrative that blacks can't be successful doesn't it.

I was commenting primarily on the 'get a job...too lazy' post. I know we are out there though those government jobs are not the highest on the pay scale either but at least they are working with benefits. Ridiculous comment that you see whites holding the signs, I did not say only blacks held the position. Go back to my idea to get out of your own head. How many blacks do you see working in TV businesses? I believe I heard The Villages had one on their staff of sales agents. Okay, maybe I don't see those who are in the restaurant kitchens, though I do occasionally see them cleaning tables. Sales people in visible positions in stores? Maybe a token to prove diversity. Hmmmm, maybe shouldn't post this idea, because I've not hit all the manned gates in TV, but I've gone through many. Never saw a black face. But wait, the head of Public Safety is black, and a friend of mine works for them - way to go Villages.

I see successful blacks every day here in The Villages, as well as in all the surrounding areas. In The Villages we are about 3-5% of the population. We are teachers, doctors, nurses, attorneys, CEOs, Veterans, IT professionals, homemakers, Realtors, blue collar, entrepreneurs, etc. Who do they see when I go into some stores here? A black that they must pretend to not be following because I may steal a trinket. Walk a day in my shoes.

ColdNoMore 06-27-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aallbrand (Post 1792980)
Villagers -run your posts by a neutral party, you may mean well but this kind of talk is racist , Unless you are a person of color or a minority you have no idea what its like to be discriminated against . Rich people of color people do as much for people of color as rich white people do for other white people.

Kneeling during the anthem is not disrespectful to America it is done to try to end young blacks being slaughtered by law enforcement .

In my opinion the national anthem has no place in sports to being with .

As a Jewish Villager I can tell you the villages are full of great people but also have lots of racist. I can not count the times I have had other villagers make anti Semitic remarks in conversation with me , not knowing. I was Jewish.

How are you trying to help the world ?

Thanks for an excellent post. :thumbup:


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oldtimes 06-27-2020 08:57 AM

Any good idea when taken to the extreme becomes a bad idea. This has gotten to the point that it is doing more harm than good.

newgirl 06-27-2020 09:00 AM

All of them, read bio’s

newgirl 06-27-2020 09:02 AM

Look at the marketing .. all white as snow

ColdNoMore 06-27-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dust Bunny (Post 1792983)
Morgan Freeman has done a lot- Check him out

Morgan Freeman - Sharing Stories Of Racism (click here)

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Morgan Freeman to share people’s experiences of racism on his social platforms

"I'll dedicate my platforms to amplify your voice"

Morgan Freeman has announced plans to share his followers’ experiences with racism on his social media platforms.

The actor shared news of the project on his Instagram page yesterday (June 5), telling his fans to “continue the conversation”.

“Being a storyteller, I believe that is important to champion each other’s unique voices,” he said in the post. “For the next week, if you are willing to share the personal stories you’ve experienced with racism, I’ll dedicate my platforms to amplify your voice.

“The time has come. Remember we all have a part to play in this story of change.”


:thumbup:


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dewilson58 06-27-2020 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1793004)
Any good idea when taken to the extreme becomes a bad idea. This has gotten to the point that it is doing more harm than good.


Bingo.

Villagerjjm 06-27-2020 09:04 AM

Why are you asking?
 
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792639)
Rich athletes taking a knee claiming racist treatment of blacks. How many of these multi millionaire athletes have used some of their money to back a black entrepreneur to establish a business in a black area? A business that would provide jobs in these areas for the people living there. Besides Oprah Winfrey how many other rich blacks are helping out fellow blacks with their riches? If there are any why isn't the media championing these individuals?

I used to live near Ft. Campbell, KY. As with any area around a military base there are foreign born spouses that married a military person. There is a large group of Koreans in that area and they help each other, a very tight group. If one of them wants to borrow money they do not go to a bank, there are people in the group that will lend the money to them. They help each other when starting a business by patronizing that business or working for the new business owner. When one gets sick someone steps in and helps them out where ever necessary.

Instead of taking a knee put your money where your mouth is and do something that will really help fellow blacks. Just like the Hollywood types that emcee a charity fund raising event. I remember one was asked how much they donated and the response was they were donating their time to emcee the show. Can't part with that money, it's mine.

I think that if the time was taken to do some real research on this topic that a satisfactory answer to the question posed (beyond the included snarky conversation included in the original post with the question) is obtainable as noted by another response.
Have a great day!

44Apple 06-27-2020 09:28 AM

What are they doing? Probably the same thing rich white people are doing for the poor whites of the Appalachia strip and for the poor whites of Central Florida.

Luisa 06-27-2020 09:36 AM

There were 9000 opportunity zones created a short time ago to help Black neighborhoods and businesses. The next thing we see is burning, looting , and violence. Gratitude and taking advantage of opportunity goes a long way toward equality.

kenoc7 06-27-2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1792708)
If you want to give your money away, good for you. But, in my opinion, the best thing the Government could do is to eliminate all tax deductions for charities. Most charities are created to gain prestige, or worse yet, to make money for the people who set them up. The IRS rules for charities are so loose that you can create a charity, raise millions of dollars, and spend pennies on the people who you claim to be helping. Most charities are scams, and the taxpayers end up being ripped off.

"Most charities are created to gain prestige, or worse yet, to make money for the people who set them up."

This may be true for a small number of charities but most are started/run by people with a genuine concern for the issues they focus on. Also, in response to the original question, many black athletes and entertainers have set up foundations that do great work.

E Cascade 06-27-2020 09:57 AM

Unfortunately the law of nature goes by the survival of the fittest. It follows in every area of life from humans of every kind, to all animals, to plants, to environment, to those stuck at home due to covid-19, to........ One person can not survive for another. Each must do his/her share or sink into whatever is lesser than he/she could have had. It's just a simple fact of being on this planet. If you enable another's weakness you are actually stealing his/her chance to become stronger. When we row together we accomplish more, but we have to make the decision to get into the boat. ...........so now, what are each of us doing right now to make ourselves better at whatever we do, so the boat can move through the rough waters more easily?

rmd2 06-27-2020 10:03 AM

Foundations
 
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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1792682)
Here are a few black athletes that are trying to help underprivileged children achieve a better life:

Tiger Woods Foundation provides money for deserving but impoverished students who want to go to college. It awards dozens of grants to improve under-privileged children’s health. Millions of young people have benefitted from his generosity.
The foundation has doled out over $30 million in grants, scholarships and internships. It also provides specialized education on such courses as graphic design, marine biology, and aerospace engineering so that these students have a meaningful career upon graduation.

Derek Jeter launched the Turn 2 Foundation. Its goal is to “create and support signature programs and activities that motivate young people to turn away from drugs and alcohol and ‘TURN 2’ healthy lifestyles”. Over the last 20 years, the foundation has donated approximately $1 million annually to its cause.

The Lebron James Family Foundation gave $2.5 million and 1,000 new computers to the Boys and Girls Club of America, and James himself gave $2.5 million to the Smithsonian National Museum of African-American History and Culture. His foundation has raised $40 million for the After-School All-Stars and his I Promise program provides mentors, supplies, support and programs for 1,400 Akron students — much of which comes from James’ own donations.

Almost all foundations use "other people's" money. They don't use their own. The lend out their name to collect money from other people.

rmd2 06-27-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1792824)
There are plenty of Charities that are involved in job training and education so get off your high horse please Goodwill is one of them name atop one

Goodwill gets freely donated items and charges customers to buy them.

parchiba49 06-27-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792928)
If you would get outside the bubble you will see many black and women truck drivers on the interstate highways. I see all kinds of blacks working in construction here in TV. Go into any government office and you will see a greater percentage of black employees than they represent in the total population. I've seen a lot of white guys holding those stop and go signs. Your view is extremely narrow as you never see the successful blacks who overcame far more obstacles. But that ruins the narrative that blacks can't be successful doesn't it.

My original response was to your "Get a job...too lazy". I am very aware of other blacks in jobs. Not sure how many blacks you see working construction here, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Weren't many when I built my first house in 2016. Government offices, yes, clerks in lower paying jobs, but great, at least they have jobs (not lazy) and benefits to boot - hooray! I won't remark on your 'white guys holding signs' as I did not say they didn't, just that the blacks were not on the higher paying scale. My view is narrow? Really? When was the last time you saw a Villages sales agent who was black? I believe I heard they finally hired one. Yay. How many do you see visible in the restaurants you visit. Oh, yep, maybe if you go peep in the kitchen, or wiping down the tables. And, I admit I haven't gone through all the Villages gates, but I've been through most (at least north of 44) and Hmmm, guess the black ones are always off duty when I come through. Wait, the head of Public Safety here is a black guy, and one of my friends also works with them. Wow, we must be getting up in the world of TV.
So, my narrative? Think about yours and walk a day in my shoes.

I know, first hand, about successful blacks. Here in The Villages we are around 2-4% of the population. We are nurses, doctors, attorneys, Veterans, IT specialists, construction workers, CEOs, entrepreneurs, homemakers, teachers, etc. But guess what, when we, successful types, go into some stores, we can pick out those employees who are trying not to let us know that they are following us, just in case we try and lift a trinket.

Michael Charles 06-27-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1793071)
Goodwill gets freely donated items and charges customers to buy them.

They make a profit by selling donated items for certain.

The people making those donations get a donation slip for their taxes.

The people who sort through the donated items and the people putting those items on the shelves as well as the people running the registers are all getting paid.

I say kudos the the billionaire owner for giving people entry level jobs to get off of public assistance, giving opportunities to people with no other skills for whatever reasons and people with disabilities. Who cares how much profit he makes. At least he's doing some good for others with your unwanted items. Go ahead and say what you like now.

jebartle 06-27-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792639)
Rich athletes taking a knee claiming racist treatment of blacks. How many of these multi millionaire athletes have used some of their money to back a black entrepreneur to establish a business in a black area? A business that would provide jobs in these areas for the people living there. Besides Oprah Winfrey how many other rich blacks are helping out fellow blacks with their riches? If there are any why isn't the media championing these individuals?

I used to live near Ft. Campbell, KY. As with any area around a military base there are foreign born spouses that married a military person. There is a large group of Koreans in that area and they help each other, a very tight group. If one of them wants to borrow money they do not go to a bank, there are people in the group that will lend the money to them. They help each other when starting a business by patronizing that business or working for the new business owner. When one gets sick someone steps in and helps them out where ever necessary.

Instead of taking a knee put your money where your mouth is and do something that will really help fellow blacks. Just like the Hollywood types that emcee a charity fund raising event. I remember one was asked how much they donated and the response was they were donating their time to emcee the show. Can't part with that money, it's mine.

You couldn't buy the tv coverage Kapernick (sp) got from kneeling during anthem. Awareness of the injustice blacks have been dealt is now in the forefront.

Dreah 06-27-2020 10:40 AM

It doesn't cost anything to be kind.

Shamp 06-27-2020 10:48 AM

I had to stop reading after the first sentence. CLAIMING? Do you see the news? Do you see the youth being killed over BS? The other day 3 officers were fired for being overheard talking about how they'd like to slaughter more Blacks. This is a horribly racist nation It feels like we are back in the 60s. We need leaders in this nation, not dividers.

Luisa 06-27-2020 10:59 AM

In response to Lois, “did your dad fit”. Nobody fits in another culture, race, etc. as well as the members of that group. There are so many Black athletes, entertainers, politicians, etc., to imply that Blacks don’t fit in in this day and time is absurd.
And no my dad didn’t always fit, he was white, from Oklahoma, and lived in California. I heard “Okie”, as well as insulting language towards people from the south for 50 years of my 67 years.
As for community college money ( where I attended and now able to live in the Villages), it comes from the $4,500. a year I pay in property taxes and 13% state taxes in California.

jimjamuser 06-27-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1792639)
Rich athletes taking a knee claiming racist treatment of blacks. How many of these multi millionaire athletes have used some of their money to back a black entrepreneur to establish a business in a black area? A business that would provide jobs in these areas for the people living there. Besides Oprah Winfrey how many other rich blacks are helping out fellow blacks with their riches? If there are any why isn't the media championing these individuals?

I used to live near Ft. Campbell, KY. As with any area around a military base there are foreign born spouses that married a military person. There is a large group of Koreans in that area and they help each other, a very tight group. If one of them wants to borrow money they do not go to a bank, there are people in the group that will lend the money to them. They help each other when starting a business by patronizing that business or working for the new business owner. When one gets sick someone steps in and helps them out where ever necessary.

Instead of taking a knee put your money where your mouth is and do something that will really help fellow blacks. Just like the Hollywood types that emcee a charity fund raising event. I remember one was asked how much they donated and the response was they were donating their time to emcee the show. Can't part with that money, it's mine.

Maybe the well off people in America's Friendliest City could start a Telethon to help out BLM

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