Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1859691)

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .

Originally Posted by Joorn59 (Post 1859709)

If you follow the Florida data> average new cases IN OUR ZIP CODE (32162) per week had been 20 since mid summer. After the rally the average weekly number has risen to 30 (week of October 25th) to 36 (week of November 1). We’re trending up so be very careful.
Fla data link below

Experience

Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 1859741)

Don’t know what constitutes a superspreader, BUT...there have been 239 more cases and 5 more deaths since 10/25. (The rally was 10/23) Superspreader or not, the 5 deaths may have been unavoidable. Yes, we do not know if these five people were at the rally or exposed to someone with the virus who attended the virus or got it somewhere else. Any organized event be it a protest or a rally are not a smart idea at this time. The focus here should be to contain the virus by doing SMALL things like wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding large gatherings. Rallies fall in to that last category. Plz help stem this virus...1more death or millions! Don’t be selfish.

Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1859359)

We still don't know everything about this virus. It can sometimes take longer for the spread to show up. The Sturgis biker rally is a good example. That area is really bad. For such a remote state, this can be the only reason why it's so bad right now.

Originally Posted by Rosebud1949 (Post 1859727)

Yes there have been several positive cases which have cancelled softball and other activities, not only from the "rallies" but also folk going outside the villages for events and returning.

This is a HIDDEN virus, you cannot see it, you may not suffer from it, but you can easily pass it on . Wearing a mask shows CARING about other folk and family getting it. So far the "I will NOT wear one attitude" has killed 240,000.A sad reflection on the folk in 2020.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1859242)

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1859242)

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1859454)

Where are you getting that “news” from? Here is a link to the CDC site showing the percentage of occupied ICU beds across the USA. These numbers fall into the same normal range as you would have without the Coronavirus.
https://healthdata.gov/sites/default...01108_2221.csv
Another example of main stream media spreading false information as facts...

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1859470)

The weather now in FL is less conducive for virus spreading. which is great, more outdoor life, less air conditioning and indoor activities. Up North in New England, a week long church event put a couple dozen people in the hospital as well as some ice hockey games. And the hospitalizations are starting to rise without any super spreader events, due to more conducive weather for spreading, drier air and indoor activities. In TV, I would expect less hospitalization rates now through April than during the summer.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1859472)

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy

Originally Posted by KRM0614 (Post 1859831)

They read scripts and not journalists ! You can turn on ABC NBC CBS exact garbage said in the exact same order

Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 1859673)

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 1859673)

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1859687)

A super spreader event to me would be a large number of people, packed shoulder to shoulder, yelling, screaming, laughing and no masks. I view it two ways, something that has already occurred (like the rose garden party) and something that has the potential to become one (like several presidential rallies where you could see people not adhering to standards in the backdrop).

There’s a concerted effort ongoing in this country to divide the country in two by promoting an “us vs them” strategy. They use terms like “ fear mongering” and “ fake news”, both terms heavily pushed by one side to accomplish this. It’s meant to promote an alternate set of facts they can sell so you to drive disbelief in the other side’s reporting.

When you disbelieve news about this virus, which not only kills but damages your organs enough your life expectancy can be shortened, it’s a concern for everyone in the villages

When a possible super spreader event turns out to not be one, it’s time to be thankful, not time to point fingers at the media.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1859691)

For those who don't believe states running out of beds, acute care plus intensive care see the idaho state web site for utilization and utilization warning levels. . . COVID-19 Surveillance

Note the fastest increase is in acute care beds, and that the total threshold is approaching the critical 85% which means that there isn't enough beds for expected nursing capacity, staff and ICU beds for non covid expectations. . . and some proportion of acute care moves to intensive care. . . .

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

So what part of the hospitals running out of beds do you not believe? or are you just cherry picking numbers to support your belief, which is blatant confirmation bias, the basis of idealogues. . . or you just listen to demagogues because you can't adapt to new or change. . .

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .

Originally Posted by PaulinTV (Post 1859794)

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

Originally Posted by benj (Post 1859824)

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

Originally Posted by PaulinTV (Post 1859794)

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 1859904)

My primary news source indicates we have rounded the curve and the epidemic ended the day after the election and we have now returned to normal life!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1859905)

Why expose a huge percentage of the population to the virus when a vaccine is so close to reality. It does not make sense to have the huge amount of deaths it would take to develop herd immunity naturally?

We should all hang in there a while longer for the safe way to achieve herd immunity with the vaccine. In the meantime, follow the CDC guidelines to do your part to slow the spread of the virus. There are too many people out there that do not believe in the CDC guidelines and look at where we are right now in this pandemic. Hospitals are becoming over whelmed not to mention our health care workers and first responders are are not only stressed out but can not keep up the pace to care for our sick. I can not believe this is the America we have right now. It is more like a nightmarish hell.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1859921)

I was extremely disappointed when the White House refused to contact trace after the Rose Garden super spreader event. That is pure negligence on the administration's part. What kind of example are they setting for America? I'm actually embarrassed for their total disregard for this global pandemic.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1859242)

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1859950)

The

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1859519)

"Selling fear and manipulating people.... in spades"


Some people are exceedingly accomplished at doing this.

Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1859960)

Yes, they ARE, that is an actually fact; that many are skilled at manipulation and emotional people are especially vulnerable !

But it can be over come if/when people conquer their emotional reactions (with professional help or can be done on their own with practice), and begin to verify ( don't look to Facebook for their facts, or even the CDC which revered gears again yesterday on exactly what masks can and can not do), but one CAN begin a routine of thinking rationally, not emotionally.

Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1859953)

I heard over 400 have died from covid that was traced back to these rally. I guess it is who you believe, the scientists or fox tv.

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1859983)

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1859983)

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

Originally Posted by benj (Post 1859824)

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

Originally Posted by PaulinTV (Post 1859794)

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1859983)

That's because people still watch FAKE NEWS CNN, etc. and believe all the lies they spready day in, day out. After 4 years of their crap, you would think they would have the intelligence to switch the channel or turn it off!

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1859242)

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.