Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1881800)

In my opinion, there are two problems.

One, by combining two bills, you can't vote for one, and not the other.

And, second, both bills are spending way too much money that the country doesn't have, thereby increasing the National debt. Even the COVID part sends $600 checks to everyone making less than $75,000, even if they have a Government job and were never affected financially by the pandemic.

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1882203)

..I'd like to know who in the hell thinks it's a good idea giving up to $1800 per illegal alien but only $600 to American citizens ... I'll say it again; the best investments right now are gold, silver, canned goods and ammunition......

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1881786)

Why are so many seemingly intelligent people so BADLY misinformed on this exact issue. What possible sources are they consuming that are feeding them lies?

This is extremely simple people. Two different things that get put together. That is how Congress works and always has worked. It is extremely rare for a piece of legislation to be single issue. Maybe renaming a post office.

The particulars of the final Consolidated Appropriations Act legislation is that there were two completely unrelated bills which were combined into a single piece of legislation and voted on as a package. One part was a former stand alone Covid bill, the other was a much broader bill to keep the government running and avoid yet another shutdown. In the avoid shutdown were all those items that one side of the spectrum keep screaming about not belonging in the Covid bill. And if you care to check they are almost entirely things that the White House asked for in the general NOT Covid part of that package.. like foreign aid etc.

A GOP member of the House of Representatives has attempted to make this all very clear even posting the exact language requesting funding from the POTUS's wish list for the omnibus bill along side the amount included in the Omnibus portion of the law just passed.

This fact has been pointed out repeatedly with documentation. One person has used his megaphone to lie to the American public and certain segments of the population don't fact check. But at least on this issue the truth is entirely clear to anyone who wants to check it for themself. Even FOX got the headline right in explaining that this was two bills attached together This was NOT just putting a few lines into a Covid bill to sneak it through [like the 3 martini lunch tax deduction was added]

Other links Here and HERE

To summarize: There were two separate pieces of legislation packaged into one voted Bill
A) The omnibus bill to keep the government running to which was attached
B) The Covid relief bill.

The complaints of the OP of this thread related to the Omnibus portion of the law. Now in the interest of full information.. The bulk of the Bill which you can read HERE is not the Covid portion.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1881716)

Don't confuse the 5,593 page, $2.3T Consolidated Appropriations Act with the the $900B Covid relief. The Covid relief seems to be Division N of the 5,593 page document.

Google finds a number of articles with details of what is in the $900B. Two of them are:
Wall Street Journal
CBS News

Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1882272)

There are many things in this bill that have NOTHING to do with either COVID or "keeping the government running" and the comment that "this is the way Congress has always done it" doesn't cut it with me!

Originally Posted by sooziesoul (Post 1882295)

So explain to me how giving millions to the Smithsonian and the Kennedy Center helps keep our government running????? Or for that matter our taxpayer money to other countries??????

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1882231)

You will please provide a link to where in this legislation there is any provision to provide payments to "illegal aliens"
You, like so many others, are getting your information from lying sources to enrage you.

Fact checks are available like HERE which directly address the same false information you are spreading.

Apparently you believe that the most likely response to the situation in this country is to buy ammunition and prepare for the war being promoted by the Proud Boys. I think the most appropriate response is to learn to double check your sources and accept that sometimes in a democracy your side wins and other times it looses not threaten violence. Please familiarize yourself with the term "Stochastic Terrorism" which you are promoting by your implied threat to the maintenance of civil order.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1882343)

"Please familiarize yourself with the term "Stochastic Terrorism" which you are promoting by your implied threat to the maintenance of civil order."


Most of those who should take your very good advice on researching the truth or facts, have historically proved they won't (can't?). They much prefer the outlandish lies and conspiracy theories that feeds their 'confirmation bias' - or are even willing and active participants of said Stochastic Terrorism.