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Nick B 02-25-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1907273)
Who else is tired of the Covid debate in general?

We really don't know what to believe. Roll the dice take your chances.

Spalumbos62 02-25-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1907502)
Can't express how much I agree with you, just another self-promoting political animal and actually I am absolutely sure there are MANY more talented and skilled individuals than he, they just don't flaunt their political ambitions and insatiable deep need for media attention, to "be somebody". Also tired of the WHO head administrator, Tedros Adhanom, who uses "Dr." BEFORE his name, I am sure with the intent to be taken for an M.D., and who, although head of public health in.... let's see, where was it, Ethiopia I believe, does not actually hold any M.D. or Ph.D. in a non medical/scientific field. Unfortunately, the people of our country, and many others, do not chose the most qualified or the most naturally gifted in medicine, research, the law, etc., no, we go for the self promoters, the ones who hire a behind the scenes publicist, even in academia. No, it's not quite the same as those who work as entertainment/Hollywood promoters, but it's the same principle. They guide you in how to promote some pretty flimsy articles based on very poor research perimeters, poorly designed studies, and then "promote" this garbage "science" with the smoke and mirrors that serve to impress the vast majority of citizens who have no idea what to look for in a well constructed research study.... the variables, the standard deviations, the margins of error and what that might mean, etc. Believe me, the "cream" does not naturally rise to the top, these folks are self promoters and plan every inch of their "career" rise. They know quite smugly, they are of course, "smarter than the average bear", kind of like the self promoting architect of the Obama medical plan.... remember him on the hot mike ? Too bad, most American's spend a lot more time and research into what color automobile they will buy, than who they catapult to the highest positions and offices, even when it comes to their HEALTH and their education and the education of their children. Don't think it is likely to change either, many could not care less.

OMG.... blah,blah,blah, blah blah

taruffi57 02-25-2021 09:42 AM

All you need to do is research the good doctor's history and his very lucative connections to the pharmaceuticals industry. Why he is the virus spokesperson makes no sense.

Bucco 02-25-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1907727)
Careful some people think he walks on water blind to the fact that he has a political agenda!!!

You will, of course, explain his political agenda.

That would make this an intelligent discussions.

Then, we can begin a thread on the insane, crazy theories distributed while Faucci was muzzled.

You know, the ongoing things, none of which occurred, and cost numerous lives. “Numerous” was a kind way to put it. Listening to just Faucci would have had its moments on the learning curve, but we would have more Americans to hear it, and would never had the run on a drug proposed to be the cure, never waited for warm weather so it could simply go away, and numerous other ridiculous statements.

deestatham@aol.com 02-25-2021 09:48 AM

Agree
 
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1907219)
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Many times in the last year during Covid-19, I felt that Dr. Faucci was very informative, engaging, and presented information well. During the last months, my attitude has changed. I now feel that he is a Media hog, bends to political influence, and does not consider other factors impacting our overall "Health". There are many of Faucci quotes during the past 12 months that are confusing and erroneous.

But NOW I agree with Rubio> "Dr. Fauci is a very good public-health official. His job is to advise policy makers and inform the public," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said on Tuesday. "But his job is NOT to decide what we can do, where we can go or which places can open or close And his job is NOT to mislead or scare us into doing the 'right things.'"

And his floundering of opening schools and lockdowns- terrible.

But his LATEST --- Fauci on Sunday declined to say on CNN that grandparents who are fully vaccinated could see their grandchildren, saying "I don't want to be making a recommendation now on public TV. I would want to sit down with the team, take a look at that."

So, if Faucci represents "Science", that's fine - but just as important to the Medical HEALTH of US citizens is Financial Health and Emotional Health. I don't believe that he takes everything into consideration for us all in terms of OVERALL Health.

Side note> Do you know that Faucci makes more in salary than the US President?


I agree. I don’t trust Fauci. He’s in over his head. I liked the woman but she has retired. I think he’s part of the problem and has an investment in all this.

stebooo 02-25-2021 09:50 AM

He changed his political affiliation IMO. It was obvious. He isn't just a great physician otherwise he would just keep his mouth shut and advise officials. He loves it. Dr atlas who has a very different position has been shut down from the left. They, the left , don't even try to hide it anymore

Spalumbos62 02-25-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1907547)
Exactly.

He chose to be silent rather than speak up.

If you don't have any integrity left, better to keep the mouth shut.

You're kidding right?? Trump ridiculed him way back bc Trump didn't like/agree with fauci and would take the mic, he did the same to Birx.

haysus7 02-25-2021 09:52 AM

Science changes with data

Two Bills 02-25-2021 09:55 AM

I trust my wife's, and my own judgement.
Got us into our 80's relatively unscathed.
We listen, read, and make our own decisions.
Works for us!

1948JDG 02-25-2021 09:55 AM

He's a doctor and probably a damn good one. He deserves every penny.

Ele201 02-25-2021 09:55 AM

I think Dr. Fauci is doing his best to protect American citizens. He seems to advise us using a lot of caution. But is he too cautious? I must say I was taken aback when he recently advised against dining at restaurants. That contradicts what our governors are doing, which is allowing indoor dining. So which is it? That’s definitely an example of mixed messages and quite confusing.

RuthA 02-25-2021 10:00 AM

Dr. Fauci
 
I don't believe anything he says. Too many conflicting comments!

Peazoup 02-25-2021 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Katieburr (Post 1907281)
Dr Fauci has kept us all alive for the past year. I trust him to keep us on top of all the latest information. The fact is, Dr Fauci is learning new information every day, just like we are. Every day there is something else to adjust to, and something else for Dr Fauci to disseminate to the world. We have never experienced a global pandemic and we are all just learning as we go. Give the guy a break. Frankly, what I worry more about is all the villagers wandering around with no masks like the pandemic is over. The truth is that if everyone had worn masks from the very beginning this would all be over. Ponder that for awhile.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

rmd2 02-25-2021 10:17 AM

Obama had banned the study of the coronavirus in the US because it was "dangerous". Fauci at NIH funded the coronavirus development in Wuhan using over 7 million of taxpayer dollars. The whole world gets the coronavirus. Then Fauci steps in to "save the day". Now Fauci is providing new funding to develop and study viruses in Wuhan again. Does anyone else see the lunacy of Fauci and this health policy?

Kandytalk 02-25-2021 10:18 AM

This virus is still evolving. It is CHANGING to survive. That is why Dr. Fauci wants to give you current scientific facts. I don’t see why people cannot understand this.

graciegirl 02-25-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by taruffi57 (Post 1907780)
All you need to do is research the good doctor's history and his very lucative connections to the pharmaceuticals industry. Why he is the virus spokesperson makes no sense.

You know, follow the money is a very good bit of advice. But here I feel that something else is motivating this post. There are a lot of people who do not see medical people unless they are sick, which is not a good plan as we age. Most of us reading your post right now take several medications to stay well; Blood pressure medicine and statins for two. Some people depend on alternative medicine and unproven vitamins and supplements and even Marijuana products to help with their wellness. I do not trust alternative medicine and some people do not trust large Pharmaceutical companies. I think that they do make a lot of money and maybe too much on certain things at times but the research to get effective drugs is very expensive itself. I do not worship pharmaceutical companies but I am grateful to be here talking to you at the age of 81, largely due to the medications I take to prevent heart disease.

I do not think that Anthony Fauci is hanging with big pharma for the bucks. I think I am a pretty good judge of character. We don't have to like someone, as I do not like Tiger Woods because of his attitude, but I respect his skill with a driver and a pitching wedge and a putter. I don't know Anthony Fauci personally but he has gotten along with presidents for fifty years, both sides of the aisle. I think he was badly disrespected in the last year by those high in office...One I voted for and supported in other ways. Not all M.D.s are great or even good, but generally their I.Q. falls in the top five percent of the population. I think Fauci is smart. But he is not perfect.

jimh24444@gmail.com 02-25-2021 10:29 AM

Fauci is 100% bought and paid for by big Pharma

DanBrew 02-25-2021 10:31 AM

What? Did you forget about maleria, tuberculosis, leporasy, smallpox, influenza? The list goes on. This guy hasn't kept anyone alive. He is a total full of crap Washington bureaucrat. If you are a doctor and haven't figured out yet how viruses spread, you have no credibility. Yes, this one is different, but it is a virus. They have existed in our ecosystem for a very long time. Wash your hands, don't touch your face, etc. I don't need a blowhard Washington dipwad full of himself to tell me that, but then again, I am an independent that has and never will rely on the government to do anything for me. They do, however, enjoy taking from me.

graciegirl 02-25-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jimh24444@gmail.com (Post 1907845)
Fauci is 100% bought and paid for by big Pharma

How can you support that argument?

P.S. Do YOU take blood pressure medication?

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-25-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1907535)
Yes, I know that. I did say to look at the 4th bullet point which indicates to me that a vaccinated person who is exposed to Covid does not have to quarantine. We are still waiting for definite word from the experts and organizations such as the CDC to let us know if in fact vaccinated people have a low enough viral load to not be able to transmit the disease. We must wait at this point to see if in fact the mRNA vaccines will prevent transmission in vaccinated people. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

...as long as they continue following CDC recommendations:

wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands.

If you (and everyone else) does these things, then someone who is EXPOSED to Covid, but doesn't actually have it themselves, does not have to quarantine.

I've been exposed to it, I have no doubt. I worked in retail all last year. There's no way I could have NOT been exposed to it.

But because I social distanced, wore a mask, and washed my hands, the risk of my passing it to other people, was minimal, if non-existent.

UNLESS the people who were in close proximity to me insisted on not wearing a mask, getting up close and personal with me (some customers actually tried to hug me, or shake my hand, or give me a fond squeeze on the shoulder - which under other circumstances I'd be fine with).

rmd2 02-25-2021 10:40 AM

Fauci
 
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Originally Posted by Petersweeney (Post 1907597)
Is he the only one who knows about COVID? I’d like to hear from other MDs and researchers please ..... why are we putting all the eggs in his basket?

They did have a panel of researchers and front line doctors with Senator Johnson as facilitator. The discussion was the banning of hydroxychloroquin for the treatment of COVID. These doctors said hydroxy should have never been banned. It was used safely for decades and was inexpensive. There have been other researchers that have questioned the safety of the current vaccine which is not made up of virus material like other vaccines in the past.

kathy1516 02-25-2021 10:50 AM

Fauci is a political hack. I trust nothing he says. His messages change depending on who he’s trying to please.

Chi-Town 02-25-2021 10:51 AM

A lot of people here discredit Dr. Fauci but have no replacement suggestions. So in the meanwhile wear a mask, socially distance, use hand sanitizer, and get your shots. I'm sick of this past year.

rmd2 02-25-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1907759)
Dr. Fauci hasn't kept me alive.......I've kept (by the grace of God) myself alive. I still travel, go to restaurants and keep myself busy. No vaccine for me, but I have always "washed my hands" and used common sense in most everything I do. But I WILL NOT listen to the public mouthpiece that permeates the media. I am in the "high risk" category but I have no worries.
BTW......Dr. Fauci makes on the high side of $400 thousand dollars a year.....not bad for a government employee. He should have retired fifteen years ago.

Salary quote is low. It's 1/2 million BEFORE bonuses so it's much more.

Bucco 02-25-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1907853)
They did have a panel of researchers and front line doctors with Senator Johnson as facilitator. The discussion was the banning of hydroxychloroquin for the treatment of COVID. These doctors said hydroxy should have never been banned. It was used safely for decades and was inexpensive. There have been other researchers that have questioned the safety of the current vaccine which is not made up of virus material like other vaccines in the past.

First there were THREE...3...who testified in support...

"Reflecting on the hearing afterward, Jha said it was “stunning” because it pushed the view that mitigation measures such as wearing masks and maintaining social distance are unimportant because the illness can easily be treated with hydroxychloroquine.
“I tried to explain that doctors don’t want to kill their patients by withhold[ing] therapy,” he tweeted. “But evidence matters They tried to flip the narrative: that evidence was misinformation And ‘art of medicine’ was what mattered.”
Jha added: “The hearing was a testament to how politicized science has become."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...enate-hearing/

The drug you tout, I have taken for a number of years....it served me well....Rhumatoid Arthritis....it also has been used for years on malaria. As a result of preaching about this from the "pulpit" there was a "run" on the drug by many simpletons, and I was unable to have my prescription filled (also our government spent millions to stock pile the drug)

There are no short cuts

Bucco 02-25-2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1907859)
A lot of people here discredit Dr. Fauci but have no replacement suggestions. So in the meanwhile wear a mask, socially distance, use hand sanitizer, and get your shots. I'm sick of this past year.

He is discredited simply to satisfy the extremists in our country. Their preference is that it does not matter how many die, as long as we can keep attacking others who actually are real patriots and work for our country.

Bucco 02-25-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jimh24444@gmail.com (Post 1907845)
Fauci is 100% bought and paid for by big Pharma

Link to prove your baseless, immature slur ???

Heck, even one bullet point would be an improvement.

Some on here know only slander/attack

Bucco 02-25-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1907832)
Obama had banned the study of the coronavirus in the US because it was "dangerous". Fauci at NIH funded the coronavirus development in Wuhan using over 7 million of taxpayer dollars. The whole world gets the coronavirus. Then Fauci steps in to "save the day". Now Fauci is providing new funding to develop and study viruses in Wuhan again. Does anyone else see the lunacy of Fauci and this health policy?

You are very good at making accusations but short on any kind of detail.

Last I experienced that was in grade school.....learn to read and comprehend

Bucco 02-25-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1907839)
You know, follow the money is a very good bit of advice. But here I feel that something else is motivating this post. There are a lot of people who do not see medical people unless they are sick, which is not a good plan as we age. Most of us reading your post right now take several medications to stay well; Blood pressure medicine and statins for two. Some people depend on alternative medicine and unproven vitamins and supplements and even Marijuana products to help with their wellness. I do not trust alternative medicine and some people do not trust large Pharmaceutical companies. I think that they do make a lot of money and maybe too much on certain things at times but the research to get effective drugs is very expensive itself. I do not worship pharmaceutical companies but I am grateful to be here talking to you at the age of 81, largely due to the medications I take to prevent heart disease.

I do not think that Anthony Fauci is hanging with big pharma for the bucks. I think I am a pretty good judge of character. We don't have to like someone, as I do not like Tiger Woods because of his attitude, but I respect his skill with a driver and a pitching wedge and a putter. I don't know Anthony Fauci personally but he has gotten along with presidents for fifty years, both sides of the aisle. I think he was badly disrespected in the last year by those high in office...One I voted for and supported in other ways. Not all M.D.s are great or even good, but generally their I.Q. falls in the top five percent of the population. I think Fauci is smart. But he is not perfect.


Hate to say this, but this is a result of the "nutters" on Facebook once again.

Why are posters so inclined to simply completely mouth a strangers words because they want to believe it, and then actually allow it to show beneath their user name.

Embarrassing to be so doggone uninformed and weak.

Fact-check: Does Anthony Fauci have millions invested in a coronavirus vaccine? - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX

Fact check: Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates won't profit from remdesivir

Buckeye Bob 02-25-2021 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DONKEY10 (Post 1907588)
Dr. Fauci is an ego maniac with a Napolean syndrome. I wouldn't listen to him if he was the last doctor on earth. Should have been fired by Trump a long tome ago.

I don't trust Fauci or any of the Covid numbers. There are too many false positive tests. The numbers who died from Covid are skewed. Heart attacks, cancer patients in hospice, etc. considered a Covid death. 🤬🤬
Fauci gets more TV time than a weatherman in the middle of a hurricane.

Byte1 02-25-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1907219)
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Many times in the last year during Covid-19, I felt that Dr. Faucci was very informative, engaging, and presented information well. During the last months, my attitude has changed. I now feel that he is a Media hog, bends to political influence, and does not consider other factors impacting our overall "Health". There are many of Faucci quotes during the past 12 months that are confusing and erroneous.

But NOW I agree with Rubio> "Dr. Fauci is a very good public-health official. His job is to advise policy makers and inform the public," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said on Tuesday. "But his job is NOT to decide what we can do, where we can go or which places can open or close And his job is NOT to mislead or scare us into doing the 'right things.'"

And his floundering of opening schools and lockdowns- terrible.

But his LATEST --- Fauci on Sunday declined to say on CNN that grandparents who are fully vaccinated could see their grandchildren, saying "I don't want to be making a recommendation now on public TV. I would want to sit down with the team, take a look at that."

So, if Faucci represents "Science", that's fine - but just as important to the Medical HEALTH of US citizens is Financial Health and Emotional Health. I don't believe that he takes everything into consideration for us all in terms of OVERALL Health.

Side note> Do you know that Faucci makes more in salary than the US President?

Faucci has always been a political hack for the left. I have never trusted anything he says. He's been working for the gov for over two decades.

Byte1 02-25-2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1907254)
Could it be that things change because we learn more? The vaccine will protect you and if you don't care about others you can go back to normal. They don't know if, even though you probably won't get sick, if you can carry and spread. So if that's a possibility you decide if you want to protect your friends, kids and grand kids.

Studies indicate that once inoculated and wait the prescribed two weeks, there is no reason to believe you will carry or infect anyone else if you happen to be exposed to the virus. That is another reason NOT to believe anything he says. And as far as worrying about other folks after you get the shots, why? If they do not get their shots, they are the ones that should be careful, not me.

Byte1 02-25-2021 11:27 AM

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1907334]Just after January 20th, Dr. Fauci made an announcement on TV and he said he can FINALLY be transparent to Americans about the pandemic. He said he would always tell the American people the truth now that he can be transparent.

What does that tell ya????[/QUOTE]

That he's full of s***!

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-25-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1907832)
Obama had banned the study of the coronavirus in the US because it was "dangerous". Fauci at NIH funded the coronavirus development in Wuhan using over 7 million of taxpayer dollars. The whole world gets the coronavirus. Then Fauci steps in to "save the day". Now Fauci is providing new funding to develop and study viruses in Wuhan again. Does anyone else see the lunacy of Fauci and this health policy?

This coronavirus didn't exist when Obama was President. It didn't exist until late 2019. Obama ceased to be a current president January 20, 2017.

Parler, whale.to, Prison Planet, Qanon, etc - are not reliable sources. Try something a little more middle-of-the-road. Like us.gov

DeanFL 02-25-2021 11:30 AM

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Here's an example of why I opened this Thread about Fauci. WHY would he even bring up this topic if he was simply a doctor providing MEDICAL and DATA and SCIENTIFIC information to the Public in order for us to be educated on how to deal with this Pandemic?

Dr. Anthony Fauci appeared very giddy during his debut appearance on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Friday night and suggested the Trump administration previously "blocked" him from coming on the MSNBC program.

"I've been wanting to come on your show for months and months," Fauci confessed to the liberal star. "You've been asking me to come on your show for months and months and it's just gotten blocked! I mean, let's call it what it is! It just got blocked because they didn't like the way you handle things and they didn't want me on."

"I mean, it was so clear when [they] sent it down, 'Why would you want to go on Rachel Maddow's show?' Well, because I like her and she's really good. 'It doesn't make any difference. Don't do it,'" Fauci continued to a chuckling Maddow.

Fauci went on to tell Maddow he doesn't think she is "going to see" efforts by the Biden administration to hold him back from speaking to the press and that she'll see "a lot of transparency" from the new leadership in Washington.

"You might not see everybody as often as you want, but you're not going to see deliberate holding back of good people when the press asks for them," Fauci explained.

Fauci, who was tapped by President Biden to be a White House adviser during the transition, previously indicated that working for the new president has been "liberating."

"I can tell you I take no pleasure at all in being in a situation of contradicting the president, so it was really something that you didn’t feel you could actually say something and there wouldn’t be any repercussions about it," Fauci said Thursday. "The idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what the evidence and science is, and know that’s it — let the science speak — it is somewhat of a liberating feeling."
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PLEASE Doc - just provide us all INFORMATION and NOT your personal views etc. And WHEN will schools open across the country? What about the VERY positive Data/News re Cases and Deaths in the last month or so? What about loosening up SHUTDOWNS across the country? Why do YOU openly promote the new proposed $1.9 TRILLION plan - when there is SO MUCH UNSPENT $$$ Billions of the previous Covid programs? Data and Science please - NOT political views or such.
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cathy34787 02-25-2021 11:36 AM

The information about the virus and the vaccines change on an almost daily basis. They don’t know what they don’t know yet. Changes are going to occur in any basically unknown situation and you change with it or be left in the dust. We’ve not experienced this before. Just have to see how it plays out. I got the vaccine but still don’t feel completely immune and sure wouldn’t want to give it to someone else.

Byte1 02-25-2021 11:38 AM

This is another reason that I do not trust anything that the lil' doctor has to say:

After Hillary's congressional hearing:
"From your doctor admirer

From: Fauci, Anthony (NIH/NIAID) [E] [mailto:AFAUCI@niaid.nih.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:10 PM

To: Mills, Cheryl D
Subject: Today's performance

Cheryl:

Anyone who had any doubts about the Secretary's stamina and capability following her illness had those doubts
washed away by today's performance before the Senate and the House. She faced extremely difficult circumstances at
the Hearings and still she hit it right out of the park. Please tell her that we all love her and are very proud to know her.

Warm regards,
Tony"

Like I said, he is nothing more than a political hack.

Jerry Leinsing 02-25-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Katieburr (Post 1907281)
Dr Fauci has kept us all alive for the past year. I trust him to keep us on top of all the latest information. The fact is, Dr Fauci is learning new information every day, just like we are. Every day there is something else to adjust to, and something else for Dr Fauci to disseminate to the world. We have never experienced a global pandemic and we are all just learning as we go. Give the guy a break. Frankly, what I worry more about is all the villagers wandering around with no masks like the pandemic is over. The truth is that if everyone had worn masks from the very beginning this would all be over. Ponder that for awhile.

I am surprised at all the idiots who post on here that find fault with those trying to do a good job with the info at hand. Having a battle of wits with them is like fighting with an unarmed man. No challenge. The best suggestion I heard came from a mask wearing believer that said, “Those of you who want to resist all the precautions should have a real nice photo taken of themselves so their kin might have something to remember them by in case their luck is also shortsighted.
Paying attention to political figures for information on a subject like this is also shortsighted. What happened to independent thinkers that can listen to men like Dr. Fauci and weigh the possibility that he is right or almost right most of the time.

Neils 02-25-2021 11:52 AM

Fauci is a politician. Loves the TV

Serendipatti 02-25-2021 12:12 PM

With something novel like Covid-19, science changes rapidly. What experts believe or say one day may be shown to be wrong just a few days later through additional research and information. He's not God. He also was working under some tight constraints and encouraged by one particular ex-political whack-job to give out not-so-honest information.


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