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lkagele 07-29-2021 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979534)
Here we go again, "fear-mongering" accusation for anyone that says anything some people disagree with. The ENTIRE world is complicit in this conspiracy to drive people into a panic over the virus.

Yup. It's part of the great reset. History is going to look back at this period as the greatest over-reaction of all time.

CDC is currently lying about the risk to school age children which in reality is practically nil. Wearing masks is probably more harmful to kids than the risks they face from COVID. But, when you get kids used to being controlled, it's easier to control them when they become adults.

Get real 07-29-2021 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979520)
Nope not doomed, the MRNA vaccines can be adapted fairly quickly, new boosters already in the works.

Great, we can get new shots every week. The Chinese love that money.

lkagele 07-29-2021 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979743)
If these so called "educated" college people are not believing conspiracy theories then they are scared. There is no justifiable explanation as to why they are refusing a life saving vaccine. NONE!

Have to respectfully disagree on that one. Adverse reactions to the vaccine are not being analyzed or presented accurately. The risks to most folks under 50 are similar to the flu. Since it hasn't been around long enough, there are no studies yet that examine any long term effects of the vaccine. According to CDC info, seasonal flu is more deadly to children than COVID has been.

Riddle me this, vaxman. Why is the Center for DISEASE CONTROL pushing so hard to have everyone vaccinated but it doesn't have any prescribed course of treatment if you contract the disease?

Bay Kid 07-29-2021 06:11 AM

Control. Lets make people wear mask again, no matter if they have been vaccinated. Where did this virus come from. Did it cross our border over the last 6 months?

graciegirl 07-29-2021 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1979853)
Yup. It's part of the great reset. History is going to look back at this period as the greatest over-reaction of all time.

CDC is currently lying about the risk to school age children which in reality is practically nil. Wearing masks is probably more harmful to kids than the risks they face from COVID. But, when you get kids used to being controlled, it's easier to control them when they become adults.

Have you had the shot?

I don't know how history will look at it, but this is a scary virus and it could continue to mutate unless we get it stopped. History may not have folks to record this nasty possibility.

midiwiz 07-29-2021 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979543)
I've said all along....."thank goodness for this mRNA technology".

for now, however it's only under approval for emergency use because they have to. mRNA has been on the table a long time and avoided for reasons that aren't clearly published in public.

The other problem with the OP is that this is not a disease it is a virus, there is a difference between the two. Most notably is that C19 is here to stay, that is the way it was designed. Conspiracy theories and not - this is actually a reality which brings me to one other issue with what the OP listed -

IF people under 40 are more likely to die from the flu, where is the dividing line? The flu has variants and is also a coronavirus, to the point that a person with just a flu can and has tested positive for C19.

One thing is very obvious all the forward looking information that does get published isn't really fact it's speculation at best. All the historical data that is published , well if the present and future are speculation that doesn't lend well to the past.

Face it vax or no vax, mask or no mask, test or no test, there is nothing that will stop C19 from existing we will just become "body tolerant" of it eventually just like the rest of the coronavirus family we live with. This is the reality like it or not.

P.S. I will bow out now, as I realize this post will probably cause more flame ups and other items that just are worthless to answer. Have fun firing at the topic.

Looking for next wife 07-29-2021 06:25 AM

If we are lucky, maybe polio, smallpox, diphtheria, etc. will all make a full come back and all the anti vaxers can rest on their laurels and say "GLORY BE, WE WON".

graciegirl 07-29-2021 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1979755)
As the original post seemed to be pointing at non-whites as a major factor, I offer for your consideration a graph which plots the % of persons immunized [both doses] in a county against the % of votes for Trump in the 2020 election. What it clearly shows it that the higher the Trump vote the lower the vaccination rate. This is overwhelmingly the single best predictor of vaccine acceptance, not race, not income, not state.

There are outlying data points, Biden counties with low vaccination rates, and Trump counties with high vaccination rates, but the trend is extremely strong. Note Sumter Co Florida which stands out as a Trump county but a high vaccine success rate, 68% for both measurements.


I do not know the point you are trying to make or the premise you are trying to defend but it appears to me to be that in the U.S. blacks are highest among the unvaccinated and Asians are the winner of this racial profiling. I voted for Trump because of several reasons, not my adoration of him for sure and I watched him make statements that seemed to me to be almost completely ignorant of medicine and general science. I have seen valid polls and I will try to find one to link that about 70% of this country support science and stand with Fauci. I certainly do.

The people in Sumter county who are older are generally not college educated, but they seem to have some factors that make them wise. I am not at all surprised to see that Villagers have chosen to be vaccinated and they are....approximately 70% of us and I am very proud of that. I am proud of their having the highest credit ratings in the country.

I am saddened by the fact that it appears there are many people due to many reasons who have chosen to not get vaccinated against Covid-19. Younger people are now filling the hospital beds.

Lynnesail 07-29-2021 06:33 AM

Thank goodness you are here.

Lynnesail 07-29-2021 06:34 AM

Thank goodness you are here, blue ash.

graciegirl 07-29-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1979890)
So people who “choose” to not get vaccinated are evil, stupid, republican, Trump lovers. WRONG! You accept what the cdc says but they have proven themselves to be ignorant liars, so why should I believe anything they say? What you are witnessing here is tyranny and control and most people seem only to happy to allow fear to control their lives.

I appears to me that the vaccine protects people against Covid-19. We should have great FEAR of catching a virus that can kill us. We should all try to separate medical facts and political views. I have watched all health agencies world wide struggle to keep up with this frightening world wide epidemic. In the early days it appeared that China seemed to be covering up the danger. Then we read about so many people dying in Italy that they literally could not pick up the corpses. Then in New York City many, many, many people began to die from this virus. It was too soon to make a scientific summary analysis. People were struggling to make sense of it, even our much credited national scientific boards.

I am NOT a medical person, but early in this pandemic, many blogs and youtube accounts were spreading inaccurate and incomplete and false information from some physicians. Inaccurate information was rampant on Facebook. It became for some a banner to wave to prove your independence and freedom and not get vaccinated.

I wish that all readers would consider calling their doctor this morning or going to an urgent care to see about being vaccinated if they have not yet received it.

MrZero 07-29-2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1979624)
Too much misinformation, too many uneducated people who truly believe conspiracy theories that malign these vaccines, too many people who listen to leaders that have down played the importance of getting vaccinated. That is just for starters.

Not sure it's about "conspiracy theories." When the CDC director lies about facts (covid mortality rate in children vs. influenza) which are easily disputed using CDC's own data, critical thinking people question motives. The problem is we have stopped being critical thinkers and are allowing talking-heads and politicians to segregate us into warring camps. WAKE UP!

Bucco 07-29-2021 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZero (Post 1979911)
Not sure it's about "conspiracy theories." When the CDC director lies about facts (covid mortality rate in children vs. influenza) which are easily disputed using CDC's own data, critical thinking people question motives. The problem is we have stopped being critical thinkers and are allowing talking-heads and politicians to segregate us into warring camps. WAKE UP!

Perhaps you would be so kind as to supply your source of this being said because accusing someone of lying is serious.

All information I have read does not substantiate your accusation.

In Kids, The Risk Of COVID-19 And The Flu Are Similar — But The Risk Perception Isn't : NPR

The link above is from May, but obviously you have more current information about yet another “Big Lie”

Please enlighten us all.

Thank you

graciegirl 07-29-2021 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZero (Post 1979911)
Not sure it's about "conspiracy theories." When the CDC director lies about facts (covid mortality rate in children vs. influenza) which are easily disputed using CDC's own data, critical thinking people question motives. The problem is we have stopped being critical thinkers and are allowing talking-heads and politicians to segregate us into warring camps. WAKE UP!

Dr. Fauci is NOT the CDC Director.

Director | About | CDC

Jacob85 07-29-2021 07:11 AM

Young people are now getting the Delta Varient and are now dying. One of the main reasons people don’t get the shots is the false information out there. Also, even people who had it with no symptoms are getting long haulers and are sometimes left with issues with their heart, lung and brain. They can also, get Covid again.
Finally people who are vaccinated can carry enough of this mutation now to give it to others.

Bucco 07-29-2021 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1979920)
Dr. Fauci is NOT the CDC Director.

Director | About | CDC

AND the quote I recall from him in this matter was....

““I think we better be careful that we’re not cavalier, in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects.”

Proveone 07-29-2021 07:39 AM

Your chart is one source and the percentages are very close. Lower socioeconomic populations have less access to medical care/vaccine. The problem with Covid 19 is not how or where it started but rather the poor/incompletent reponse by the previous US administration. We were warned about the possibility of a pandemic years ago.

donassaid 07-29-2021 07:40 AM

Great post. Thanks for the info.

Waltdisney4life 07-29-2021 07:43 AM

Thank you so much I was beginning to miss my fake news I mean this thread!

nick demis 07-29-2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979512)
Ask the Director of the CDC, this is why they are reversing course on masks for vaccinated people.

"Ask the director of the CDC". Who said you don't have a sense of humor?

Bill14564 07-29-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1979925)
Young people are now getting the Delta Varient and are now dying.

Any evidence to back this statement up? Both the JHU and WaPo Covid trackers seem to show that a whole lot of people are getting positive test results and a lot of people are being hospitalized but very few additional people are dying.


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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1979925)
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Finally people who are vaccinated can carry enough of this mutation now to give it to others.

A statement currently without any evidence to back it up. Might be true but as others have pointed out, might be a negligible number.

blueash 07-29-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Guitarman1951 (Post 1979933)
All good discussions here. I found the chart of vaccinated people interesting in that the majority of unvaccinated are in the black population. I don't want to turn this into a political discussion at all, but what are the odds that most are democratic voters? I just find it disgusting when the the Trump haters want to blame republicans for all of the unvaccinated problem. I am republican and have many republican friends and relatives and not one of them is unvaccinated or don't fully support and believe in the need for maximum vaccinations.
Just very glad to see more rational analysis and discussion other than the irrational, unfounded hate fest that you usually see on this topic.

Scientific literacy it useful if you are going to cite something.. Please look again at the chart which led you to conclude that "the majority of unvaccinated are in the black population"

The chart the OP posted reports that 36% of Black folks have received at least one dose, thus 64% have not. As they represent 12% of the US population, per the same KFF report, that means that unvaccinated Blacks are 7.6% of the US population. 41% of whites have not received any shots. Whites are 61% of the US population.

Do the math. Unvaccinated whites are 25% of the US population. Now tell me again how "the majority of the unvaccinated are in the black population." The title of this thread is Who are the Naughty antivaxxer refusenicks?

Using the KFF data and a population of 333 million in the US there are about 83 million unvaccinated whites and 25 million unvaccinated Blacks. Keep in mind that the KFF data is NOT age adjusted. They simply looked at total numbers. As it is well known that the average age of both Black and Hispanic Americans is lower than whites because of life expectancy and birth rates, it is worth adding that far fewer people of color have qualified to be vaccinated.

The median age for whites per Pew analysis of census data in 2018 was 44. The median is the age where half the people are older and half younger. The median for Blacks is 34 and Hispanics is 30. Far more whites have been eligible for vaccination for longer periods as the age criteria have liberalized.

Again, I will point out that the best predictor of being a naughty refusenik is not ethnicity.

Joezfla 07-29-2021 09:11 AM

Safe Space
 
That's why we are sticking to restaurants and bars where we are safe!!!!

ROCKMUP 07-29-2021 09:25 AM

Some of us choose to not be a lab rat for the largest social experiment ever done.

I mean, its not like our own government would ever perform any experiments on its own citizens. Would it ?
I can think of at least 6 times since the mid 1800's.

Funny (not ha, ha) how judgmental and arrogant people are. I don't care if you wear a mask and I don't care if you get vaccinated. You do you.

coffeebean 07-29-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZero (Post 1979911)
Not sure it's about "conspiracy theories." When the CDC director lies about facts (covid mortality rate in children vs. influenza) which are easily disputed using CDC's own data, critical thinking people question motives. The problem is we have stopped being critical thinkers and are allowing talking-heads and politicians to segregate us into warring camps. WAKE UP!

Gee, I must have missed those lies about mortality rate in children (Covid vs Flu). Do you have a link?

Buckeye Bob 07-29-2021 09:40 AM

I don't see any mention of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine. Why are the CDC, WHO, Bill Gates, etc. so against it when it's so very effective. Because it's cheap. Follow the money sheeple.

brick010207 07-29-2021 09:51 AM

Yes. Ignorance. Once you educate the ignorant they are no longer ignorant. But STUPID is unfixable You can bribe them with many t lhings but like the lemming, when the leader goes over the cliff so do the followers.

DennisDee 07-29-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1979853)
Yup. It's part of the great reset. History is going to look back at this period as the greatest over-reaction of all time.

CDC is currently lying about the risk to school age children which in reality is practically nil. Wearing masks is probably more harmful to kids than the risks they face from COVID. But, when you get kids used to being controlled, it's easier to control them when they become adults.

Great point! It is important that we recognize the psychological, social, ideology and economic risk to our children and grandchildren caused by policies that ignore their present and future well being. They will be our leaders and policy makers.

Your statement "when you get kids used to being controlled, it's easier to control them when they become adults", sadly is very true.

ThirdOfFive 07-29-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979717)
Being educated does not provide immunity to misinformation about subjects you are not educated in.

Hmmmm.

So on the one hand we have people in a major University environment, supposedly intelligent people with as much access to information as anyone, choosing not to get vaccinated.

On the other hand we have people here, supposedly intelligent people with as much access to information as anyone, maintaining that getting vaccinated should as much as be made mandatory.

So--can we deduce from that, that the ONLY real difference in this debate is which data we choose to believe? If so, this is really nothing more than a ping-pong match.

Bella6368 07-29-2021 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979431)
Lots of accusations flying around about this, apparently not based on actual facts.

Lets look at the data by race, from KFF (Kaiser)

Attachment 90238

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

So looks like Blacks and hispanics are lagging behind asians and whites. Is this because they are poor and lack access or maybe they watch a certain news network?
:)

Here is a vaccine locator at vaccines.gov. There are 50 locations where I can get a free covid shot within 15 miles of my home in rural Ocala. Put any zip code into the the locator and I doubt you'll find many places where there is not free vaccine available with 30 minutes of your home.

Vaccines.gov - Search for COVID-19 vaccine locations

There are some people who just plain refuse to get the jab? First of all, you have a very large group of people who have already had covid. Over 34 million cases in the USA so far, plus probably millions more who were asymptomatic and never tested. That's a very large group of people who already have immunity, and some recent studies show that natural immunity resulted in 33% lower infections.

Effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine in preventing COVID-19 in the working age population – first results from a cohort study in Southern Sweden | medRxiv

People under 40 with no serious health problems represent a very small percentage of total covid deaths and are more likely to die from pneumonia or the flu.

Provisional COVID-19 Deaths by Sex and Age | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Recently the heads of CDC, NIH, and FDA were asked what percentage of their employees were vaccinated and the answer was about 60% There are reports that 20-40% of hospital workers are not vaccinated. These people are probably more educated on disease and vaccinations than your average American.

People in The Villages who are mostly over 65, are obese/diabetic/heart problems etc are rightfully scared of this disease and get the jab as soon as possible. But you might want to step out of the bubble and consider things from another perspective.

If you are one of the millions who have already had covid, or are young and healthy, you might decline the vaccine, and have valid reasons for that decision. Recent reports are showing that the vaccines are not as effective against Delta variant and can have virus loads as high as the unvaccinated, so the antivaxxers might turn the table sand say "hey vaxxer, stay away from me and put on the mask" :)

Disclosure: I am over 70 with some health problems so I got both shots back in January. But that doesn't mean I have the right to tell young people or covid survivors that they MUST get the vaccine. The whole "antivaxxers are breeding ground for mutations and will kill us all" is kind of laughable. The percentage of people on this planet who have been vaccinated is very small, so mutations will continue even if every American gets the shots. We can't wall off the country from the world.

Hopefully the scientists can adjust and adapt the vaccines, but it looks like this virus is going to be around for awhile. Thanks China!


Are you also aware of this? Fraudulent PCR Tests EXPOSED! CDC Quietly Withdraws Emergency Use Authorization Due to Inability to Differentiate COVID-19 & Influenza. Guess we know now why for 2 years the flu completely disappeared. Too many people are being indoctrinated by the news media, do your research.

drstevens 07-29-2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979431)
Lots of accusations flying around about this, apparently not based on actual facts.

Lets look at the data by race, from KFF (Kaiser)

Attachment 90238

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

So looks like Blacks and hispanics are lagging behind asians and whites. Is this because they are poor and lack access or maybe they watch a certain news network?
:)

Here is a vaccine locator at vaccines.gov. There are 50 locations where I can get a free covid shot within 15 miles of my home in rural Ocala. Put any zip code into the the locator and I doubt you'll find many places where there is not free vaccine available with 30 minutes of your home.

Vaccines.gov - Search for COVID-19 vaccine locations

There are some people who just plain refuse to get the jab? First of all, you have a very large group of people who have already had covid. Over 34 million cases in the USA so far, plus probably millions more who were asymptomatic and never tested. That's a very large group of people who already have immunity, and some recent studies show that natural immunity resulted in 33% lower infections.

Effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine in preventing COVID-19 in the working age population – first results from a cohort study in Southern Sweden | medRxiv

People under 40 with no serious health problems represent a very small percentage of total covid deaths and are more likely to die from pneumonia or the flu.

Provisional COVID-19 Deaths by Sex and Age | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Recently the heads of CDC, NIH, and FDA were asked what percentage of their employees were vaccinated and the answer was about 60% There are reports that 20-40% of hospital workers are not vaccinated. These people are probably more educated on disease and vaccinations than your average American.

People in The Villages who are mostly over 65, are obese/diabetic/heart problems etc are rightfully scared of this disease and get the jab as soon as possible. But you might want to step out of the bubble and consider things from another perspective.

If you are one of the millions who have already had covid, or are young and healthy, you might decline the vaccine, and have valid reasons for that decision. Recent reports are showing that the vaccines are not as effective against Delta variant and can have virus loads as high as the unvaccinated, so the antivaxxers might turn the table sand say "hey vaxxer, stay away from me and put on the mask" :)

Disclosure: I am over 70 with some health problems so I got both shots back in January. But that doesn't mean I have the right to tell young people or covid survivors that they MUST get the vaccine. The whole "antivaxxers are breeding ground for mutations and will kill us all" is kind of laughable. The percentage of people on this planet who have been vaccinated is very small, so mutations will continue even if every American gets the shots. We can't wall off the country from the world.

Hopefully the scientists can adjust and adapt the vaccines, but it looks like this virus is going to be around for awhile. Thanks China!

As a scientist, I extensively studied the pros and cons of receiving the "experimental" vaccine. I discovered the pharmaceuticals have received immunity from liability, conflicting animal trials where many animals died after several months, the side-effects were more prevalent than all previous vaccines, and the media and medical profession essentially ignoring the benefits of natural immunity. Also, the blatant obfuscation of any treatment other than the vaccines i.e. benefits of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
OUR STORY (condensed): My wife and I were exposed to covid19 on January 26 and both tested positive. I had a runny nose and a two-hour fever of 100.4. I feel fine and still have the antibodies after six months.
My wife had a cough for two-days and was lethargic. She still tested positive for covid19 after five months. Last month she took the five day treatment of hydroxychloroquine with zinc and now no longer tests positive for covid19 and has her energy back.
OUR RESEARCH (condensed): Tons of research is available pro-vaccine, not so much for anti-vaccine, with many sites blocked. Several sources we found were Media – Americas Frontline Doctors, www.thecovidblog.com, and the confusing government adverse effects reporting website https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html. I have lost the source, but about 40% of employees at three government health agencies (including Fauchi's) have supposedly refused to get the vaccine.
CONCLUSION: We will never take any vaccine or drug that is experimental, especially where the mfg. is immune from liability AND THE LONG TERM SIDE-EFFECTS ARE UNKNOWN. Also, we both have the antibodies and test negative for covid19. My doctor has told me not to consider the vaccine as long as I have the antibodies and am on chemo for multiple myeloma. I do not wish to get in to a long diatribe about the vaccine, but do your own research, be informed and educated and make the best decision for you and your family. Ignore those who try to build themselves up by tearing others down who do not agree with them.
I hope you found this helpful. Good luck and stay heathy!

graciegirl 07-29-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1979991)
Scientific literacy it useful if you are going to cite something.. Please look again at the chart which led you to conclude that "the majority of unvaccinated are in the black population"

The chart the OP posted reports that 36% of Black folks have received at least one dose, thus 64% have not. As they represent 12% of the US population, per the same KFF report, that means that unvaccinated Blacks are 7.6% of the US population. 41% of whites have not received any shots. Whites are 61% of the US population.

Do the math. Unvaccinated whites are 25% of the US population. Now tell me again how "the majority of the unvaccinated are in the black population." The title of this thread is Who are the Naughty antivaxxer refusenicks?

Using the KFF data and a population of 333 million in the US there are about 83 million unvaccinated whites and 25 million unvaccinated Blacks. Keep in mind that the KFF data is NOT age adjusted. They simply looked at total numbers. As it is well known that the average age of both Black and Hispanic Americans is lower than whites because of life expectancy and birth rates, it is worth adding that far fewer people of color have qualified to be vaccinated.

The median age for whites per Pew analysis of census data in 2018 was 44. The median is the age where half the people are older and half younger. The median for Blacks is 34 and Hispanics is 30. Far more whites have been eligible for vaccination for longer periods as the age criteria have liberalized.

Again, I will point out that the best predictor of being a naughty refusenik is not ethnicity.

I thought it meant percentage of different races. Not total people.

Obviously in this country we have more white people at this time.

golfing eagles 07-29-2021 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by drstevens (Post 1980086)
As a scientist, I extensively studied the pros and cons of receiving the "experimental" vaccine. I discovered the pharmaceuticals have received immunity from liability, conflicting animal trials where many animals died after several months, the side-effects were more prevalent than all previous vaccines, and the media and medical profession essentially ignoring the benefits of natural immunity. Also, the blatant obfuscation of any treatment other than the vaccines i.e. benefits of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
OUR STORY (condensed): My wife and I were exposed to covid19 on January 26 and both tested positive. I had a runny nose and a two-hour fever of 100.4. I feel fine and still have the antibodies after six months.
My wife had a cough for two-days and was lethargic. She still tested positive for covid19 after five months. Last month she took the five day treatment of hydroxychloroquine with zinc and now no longer tests positive for covid19 and has her energy back.
OUR RESEARCH (condensed): Tons of research is available pro-vaccine, not so much for anti-vaccine, with many sites blocked. Several sources we found were Media – Americas Frontline Doctors, The COVID Blog - Official blog of COVID Legal USA. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant., and the confusing government adverse effects reporting website The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request. I have lost the source, but about 40% of employees at three government health agencies (including Fauchi's) have supposedly refused to get the vaccine.
CONCLUSION: We will never take any vaccine or drug that is experimental, especially where the mfg. is immune from liability AND THE LONG TERM SIDE-EFFECTS ARE UNKNOWN. Also, we both have the antibodies and test negative for covid19. My doctor has told me not to consider the vaccine as long as I have the antibodies and am on chemo for multiple myeloma. I do not wish to get in to a long diatribe about the vaccine, but do your own research, be informed and educated and make the best decision for you and your family. Ignore those who try to build themselves up by tearing others down who do not agree with them.
I hope you found this helpful. Good luck and stay heathy!

First of all, very sorry to hear you have MM, but that is really the reason to avoid the vaccine in your case, especially actively receiving chemo. The "antibodies" you have are really not the sine qua non of COVID immunity. It turns out there are multiple antibodies involved, and we simply don't have a good test to determine which ones confer immunity (yet).

There should be no problem finding "anti-vaccine" web sites---just google conspiracy theories, so despite your user name, I have to question whether you are a medical doctor or just happen to have 1st and middle initials of "d" and "r"

Lastly, I am always skeptical of any post that advises people to "do their own research" Most people don't have the background in science or medicine to understand the literature nor make a reasonable conclusion. That's why we have EXPERTS to evaluate the data and advise the decision makers and inform the public. We can't have millions of "Dr. Googles" out there making their own decisions based on their "own research"

And as far as some of the treatments you mentioned, they are basically unproven. And even if they have some utility, they are after the fact treatments for active COVID. Much better to prevent it in the first place. It's pretty amazing that anti-vaxxers like to state the vaccine isn't "FDA" approved, even though it has emergency approval in this emergency, yet point to a whole array of alternative "treatments" that will never have FDA approval.

LiverpoolWalrus 07-29-2021 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1979452)
Care to cite a source for that. The only one I have seen states "nasal carriage loads in the vaccinated are "indistinguishable" for the unvaccinated", so quit the spin

Source please?

DAVES 07-29-2021 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979431)
Lots of accusations flying around about this, apparently not based on actual facts.

Lets look at the data by race, from KFF (Kaiser)

Attachment 90238

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

So looks like Blacks and hispanics are lagging behind asians and whites. Is this because they are poor and lack access or maybe they watch a certain news network?
:)

Here is a vaccine locator at vaccines.gov. There are 50 locations where I can get a free covid shot within 15 miles of my home in rural Ocala. Put any zip code into the the locator and I doubt you'll find many places where there is not free vaccine available with 30 minutes of your home.

Vaccines.gov - Search for COVID-19 vaccine locations

There are some people who just plain refuse to get the jab? First of all, you have a very large group of people who have already had covid. Over 34 million cases in the USA so far, plus probably millions more who were asymptomatic and never tested. That's a very large group of people who already have immunity, and some recent studies show that natural immunity resulted in 33% lower infections.

Effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine in preventing COVID-19 in the working age population – first results from a cohort study in Southern Sweden | medRxiv

People under 40 with no serious health problems represent a very small percentage of total covid deaths and are more likely to die from pneumonia or the flu.

Provisional COVID-19 Deaths by Sex and Age | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Recently the heads of CDC, NIH, and FDA were asked what percentage of their employees were vaccinated and the answer was about 60% There are reports that 20-40% of hospital workers are not vaccinated. These people are probably more educated on disease and vaccinations than your average American.

People in The Villages who are mostly over 65, are obese/diabetic/heart problems etc are rightfully scared of this disease and get the jab as soon as possible. But you might want to step out of the bubble and consider things from another perspective.

If you are one of the millions who have already had covid, or are young and healthy, you might decline the vaccine, and have valid reasons for that decision. Recent reports are showing that the vaccines are not as effective against Delta variant and can have virus loads as high as the unvaccinated, so the antivaxxers might turn the table sand say "hey vaxxer, stay away from me and put on the mask" :)

Disclosure: I am over 70 with some health problems so I got both shots back in January. But that doesn't mean I have the right to tell young people or covid survivors that they MUST get the vaccine. The whole "antivaxxers are breeding ground for mutations and will kill us all" is kind of laughable. The percentage of people on this planet who have been vaccinated is very small, so mutations will continue even if every American gets the shots. We can't wall off the country from the world.

Hopefully the scientists can adjust and adapt the vaccines, but it looks like this virus is going to be around for awhile. Thanks China!

Any complex issue can be and will be SPUN to support our bias. Politically correct is yet another policy of thought control.

There is no such thing as perfect solutions to most problems and yet we demand perfection.

The vaccines. I recall waking up 5;30 AM 4-5x in an attempt to win the lottery and get an appointment. I won once got in the final line and was told all appointments were taken.
We finally got an appointment, went to the closed Sears store off 441. Truth, they did a great job for this huge mass vaccine delivery. I asked and was told they were doing 8,000 injections a day. Best I could tell they had about 20 stations. I'm sure the people were rotated but, imagine the hand fatigue from that assembly line delivery. All were both professional and pleasant a tough combination.

I did not hear any gossip about it. I did, see hear some Hispanics, heard some Italian, some ??????? Russian and some Yiddish. I saw almost no Blacks on line to receive vaccines.

I understand freedom of choice but most do not accept the freedom of risk that goes with your right to choose. Those who do not take the vaccine, will be expecting medical care whether they have paid for insurance or can pay for that care or not.

Responsibility for the choices you make is a strange concept for too many.

Bucco 07-29-2021 10:49 AM

How so many threads on here are somehow twisted to become a discussion of a persons skin color is truly amazing.

golfing eagles 07-29-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1980114)
Source please?

"As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected."

Full reference:

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

golfing eagles 07-29-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1980129)
How so many threads on here are somehow twisted to become a discussion of a persons skin color is truly amazing.

And amazing since the virus is color blind

GrumpyOldMan 07-29-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1980139)
And amazing since the virus is color blind

That is meaningless.

The virus is not making a decision about who it will attack/infect. It is opportunistic. Race plays a part in whether a person has to go to work in close proximity to others. The race has a part in determining who can get off work to go get a vaccination. Race plays a part, the virus simply infects whoever happens to be vulnerable when the virus happens to be there.

I hope this is what you meant because your post seems to imply something else. If I misunderstood your intent, I appologize.

Pat2015 07-29-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1979520)
Nope not doomed, the MRNA vaccines can be adapted fairly quickly, new boosters already in the works.

So how many non FDA approved vaccines are people expected to go for as part of the ongoing clinical studies where the efficiencies and long term effects are unknown?


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