[Bucco]

How so many threads on here are somehow twisted to become a discussion of a persons skin color is truly amazing.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Source please?

"As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected."

Full reference:

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bucco

How so many threads on here are somehow twisted to become a discussion of a persons skin color is truly amazing.

And amazing since the virus is color blind

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And amazing since the virus is color blind

That is meaningless.

The virus is not making a decision about who it will attack/infect. It is opportunistic. Race plays a part in whether a person has to go to work in close proximity to others. The race has a part in determining who can get off work to go get a vaccination. Race plays a part, the virus simply infects whoever happens to be vulnerable when the virus happens to be there.

I hope this is what you meant because your post seems to imply something else. If I misunderstood your intent, I appologize.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Nope not doomed, the MRNA vaccines can be adapted fairly quickly, new boosters already in the works.

So how many non FDA approved vaccines are people expected to go for as part of the ongoing clinical studies where the efficiencies and long term effects are unknown?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

That is meaningless.

The virus is not making a decision about who it will attack/infect. It is opportunistic. Race plays a part in whether a person has to go to work in close proximity to others. The race has a part in determining who can get off work to go get a vaccination. Race plays a part, the virus simply infects whoever happens to be vulnerable when the virus happens to be there.

I hope this is what you meant because your post seems to imply something else. If I misunderstood your intent, I appologize.

I was just responding to the post that felt it was amazing how "race" has been introduced into this discussion by so many. I was agreeing with him. Now if the discussion was that race and/or socioeconomic status plays a role in vaccination percentages, that is different

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

So how many non FDA approved vaccines are people expected to go for as part of the ongoing clinical studies where the efficiencies and long term effects are unknown?

The vaccine IS APPROVED. Saying it is not, implying it is not is just misinformation.

Every medication sold in the US legally is approved for limited use cases unless otherwise specified. You can usually tell which are which, one is called over the counter (you can buy it in a drug store or even online) the other is ONLY available by prescription or under doctors' supervision.

So to answer YOUR question, how many are expected to take non-approved vaccines", the answer is NONE. Absolutely none at all. But, the current vaccines ARE APPROVED.

We go around and around this tree, so my misinformation is repeated constantly.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I was just responding to the post that felt it was amazing how "race" has been introduced into this discussion by so many. I was agreeing with him. Now if the discussion was that race and/or socioeconomic status plays a role in vaccination percentages, that is different

There are MANY on here who will find a way to discuss skin color on here as often as possible.

In my experience, the color of your skin does not alter or drive your actions in and of itself, however behavior is certainly affected by the culture in which you live. Instead of the constant generalizations, perhaps a recognition of that FACT would help.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I was just responding to the post that felt it was amazing how "race" has been introduced into this discussion by so many. I was agreeing with him. Now if the discussion was that race and/or socioeconomic status plays a role in vaccination percentages, that is different

Thank you for your civil reply, I did misinterpret your reply. My bad!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bucco

There are MANY on here who will find a way to discuss skin color on here as often as possible.

In my experience, the color of your skin does not alter or drive your actions in and of itself, however behavior is certainly affected by the culture in which you live. Instead of the constant generalizations, perhaps a recognition of that FACT would help.

True, but that is harder to convert to a dog whistle.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

True, but that is harder to convert to a dog whistle.

Yeah and we are straying from the subject but I am always reminded of those on here who speak of Villagers and how they “worked hard for what they earned” or similar quotes. Of course that is true but how it always seems to appear in threads discussing skin color is astiounding,

I never understood what that meant in the context of behavior. White skin does not predict you will be a good person, a great earner or whatever, not does black skin act as a predictor of the obvious.

BUT I suppose it is easier to just generalize…

[Byte1]

Masks are NOT going to make the virus go away. I have no intention of wearing a mask in public the rest of my life. I tried to be reasonable about wearing them BEFORE the vaccination, but not any more. I am not interested in protecting those that refuse to be vaccinated. I would expect no more from you all if I did not wish vaccination. I do not get the flu shot and have never had the flu, but I would not blame you if or when I do ever catch the flu.. It is my responsibility, not anyone else's. Do not force me to wear a mask when I cannot catch the virus or transmit it. If I knew that I was going to have to wear a mask the rest of my life, I would never have gotten vaccinated. We are sending a great message to folks by telling them that they will still have to wear a mask after getting vaccinated to protect them from infection.
Common sense anyone?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

So how many non FDA approved vaccines are people expected to go for as part of the ongoing clinical studies where the efficiencies and long term effects are unknown?

It seemed pretty clear to me and I am not a medical person. I had the choice to take a chance on the vaccine offered to me or take a chance on pretty bad odds of dying if I caught it, due to my age. At my age, roughly one in ten were dying of Covid-19.

Since I am 81 I wasn't at all worried about the long term effects of the vaccine.

I may have viewed it far differently had I been of child bearing age.

I am grateful for the Moderna that my husband and I took and the Pfizer that our Helene took and the fact that our grandchildren and daughter and son in law were also vaccinated.

At no time was I FEARful. I had the choice to self isolate and I had some boon companions. I also had plenty of things to do to occupy my mind and to enjoy. I must admit I was so happy when the news came that we could get the vaccine.

Sometimes we have to decide to trust others. I see NO reason by the Center for Disease Control would have an agenda to harm us. Dr. Fauci is well known and respected in his field and has served under both parties and respected by both until this one.

I did a little reading and the initial person chosen as director of National Public Health was criticized during the pandemic in the early 1900's for sounding the alarm that ships were coming into San Francisco with dead people aboard and he said that something new was killing these people. He was the recipient of many scathing attacks from those in power in Washington D.C. at the time.

I will try to find that article again.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Masks are NOT going to make the virus go away. I have no intention of wearing a mask in public the rest of my life. I tried to be reasonable about wearing them BEFORE the vaccination, but not any more. I am not interested in protecting those that refuse to be vaccinated. I would expect no more from you all if I did not wish vaccination. I do not get the flu shot and have never had the flu, but I would not blame you if or when I do ever catch the flu.. It is my responsibility, not anyone else's. Do not force me to wear a mask when I cannot catch the virus or transmit it. If I knew that I was going to have to wear a mask the rest of my life, I would never have gotten vaccinated. We are sending a great message to folks by telling them that they will still have to wear a mask after getting vaccinated to protect them from infection.
Common sense anyone?

Well said.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It seemed pretty clear to me and I am not a medical person. I had the choice to take a chance on the vaccine offered to me or take a chance on pretty bad odds of dying if I caught it, due to my age. At my age, roughly one in ten were dying of Covid-19.

Since I am 81 I wasn't at all worried about the long term effects of the vaccine.

I may have viewed it far differently had I been of child bearing age.

I am grateful for the Moderna that my husband and I took and the Pfizer that our Helene took and the fact that our grandchildren and daughter and son in law were also vaccinated.

At no time was I FEARful. I had the choice to self isolate and I had some boon companions. I also had plenty of things to do to occupy my mind and to enjoy. I must admit I was so happy when the news came that we could get the vaccine.

Sometimes we have to decide to trust others. I see NO reason by the Center for Disease Control would have an agenda to harm us. Dr. Fauci is well known and respected in his field and has served under both parties and respected by both until this one.

I did a little reading and the initial person chosen as director of National Public Health was criticized during the pandemic in the early 1900's for sounding the alarm that ships were coming into San Francisco with dead people aboard and he said that something new was killing these people. He was the recipient of many scathing attacks from those in power in Washington D.C. at the time.

I will try to find that article again.

I really love your posts - so sensible.

This one reminded me of the old adage, "The more things change, the more they stay the same"...

It's not just pandemics - google "The Mexican Repatriation" in 1930s. Amazing how similar (actually in some ways worse) to today.