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chet2020 02-20-2021 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flflowers (Post 1904824)
Dr Lee Merritt is more than just an "orthopedic Surgeon" She is former President of the Assoc of American Physicians and Surgeons...worked her career for the military ...she studied BIOLOGICAL WARFARE! I think this "qualifies" her more than just an orthopedic surgeon.

Under Obama, Chinese worked in our Bio Weapons Labs! Completely illegal, but that's another story

From a military standpoint, this is a perfect weapon, the mRNA.

mRNA NEVER made it through animal testing. She is just trying to warn people.

And just because she is trying to get her message out before it is censored does not mean it is not the truth! If there is no one in the stands at the Womens Basketball Championship, does that mean it didn't happen?

All she is saying is that the "vaccine", not a vaccine, is experimental biologics.

She is part of the group of front line doctors speaking up with the risks of losing everything!! AFLDS.com

AFLDS.com
I'm in the clinical trials industry and have worked on two COVID-19 trials, one successful, one failure (the failure actually wasn't bad, just not as good as the five below).

Some summary data:

Sponsors: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax, Janssen (J&J)

Total Patients Enrolled in Trials from Above Sponsors: About 74,000.

Total Deaths, Trial Participants from COVID-19: 0

Total Hospitalized, Trial Participants from COVID-19: 0

Total Deaths, Trial Participants from Vaccine Injection/Reaction: 0

Personally, I'm going to set aside the advice of the orthopedic surgeon for now, and take the advice of the dozen or so infectious disease physicians and epidemiologists that I follow who have spent their lives studying this. And the trial data looks pretty good too.

Conclusion, I'll take the vaccine as soon as it's my turn.

Packer Fan 02-21-2021 02:50 PM
Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 02-21-2021 03:06 PM
My fit brother in law 66 years old marathon runner no meds is in his 4th week in ICU at mass general in Boston he would have loved to have been vaccinated, I’m 82 just had my second no side effects I’ll take my chances with main stream science not scan the internet to look for excuses not to take the shots

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-21-2021 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1905846)
Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.
Anyone who's over 80 should wonder why they'd worry about the long-term effects of ANYTHING.

Maybe ageist? Or maybe pragmatic and realistic. The risk of someone in the UPPER senior years dying from anything at all is high. I'm thinking the risk of developing cancer or asthma or lung disease 20 years later when they're 100, is not as valuable as the risk of contracting COVID-19 right now and spending the entire rest of those 20 years sucking oxygen through a hose in your nostrils.

EdFNJ 02-21-2021 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chet2020 (Post 1905066)

Personally, I'm going to set aside the advice of the orthopedic surgeon for now, and take the advice of the dozen or so infectious disease physicians and epidemiologists that I follow who have spent their lives studying this. And the trial data looks pretty good too.
I'm going to set aside the advice and opinions of the orthopedic surgeon, REGISTERED NURSE(S) and/or EMT's, NP's, internet trolls, proctologists, radiologists, hair dressers, sanitation specialists, voodoo practitioners, political folks and anonymous forum users as well. Wait, already had my 2nd. When will the new H5N8 bird flu vaccines be ready? OY!
H5N8: Russia tells WHO it has detected first case of avian flu strain in humans - CNN

golfing eagles 02-22-2021 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1905846)
Since I'm 57, I would like to encourage any of you who are reluctant to wait. This will allow them to get done with the 65 plus crowd sooner and on to my age group where I should be front of the line having diabetes. Then I can get mine faster. Works for all of us. For the life of me I don't get what long term effects the anti vaxxers are worried about. I was in the military and was reimunized for everything there is 39 years ago and no side effects. No vaccine has ever had long term side effects so why now?

Like I said I have no problem being your guinea pig so get outta the way.
Really. You must have missed that day when YOU went to medical school.

How about subacute sclerosing pan encephalitis from measles vaccine or acute idiopathic demyelinating polyradiculopathy from influenza vaccines or generalized encephalitis from smallpox vaccine or severe allergic reactions from just about any vaccine.

That being said, this appears to be a very safe vaccine and everybody should get it, per CDC recommendations. You have a much greater chance of dying while driving to the vaccine site than you do of dying from the vaccine, which in turn is much lower than if you contract the disease.

Two Bills 02-22-2021 07:53 AM
Article on todays BBC site regarding early results of those who have been vaccinated.

Covid vaccines - '''spectacular''' impact on serious illness - BBC News

Kerry Azz 02-22-2021 08:11 AM
Another misguided soul, you probably don’t believe in climate change either.

suzanne958 02-22-2021 08:17 AM
Thank you for your informative information.

graciegirl 02-22-2021 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1906088)
Another misguided soul, you probably don’t believe in climate change either.
To whom do you speak??? I am tired of these kinds of jabs. Everyone I know understands climate change....what they disagree about is spending money on things that don't work to change it. I am disappointed that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid-19. It does kill people. I know of three personally.

I wonder at people discussing 80 years old's with such a Cavalier attitude. I don't understand why someone would think that their life was not precious to them and their children at fifty or at 80.

I am overwhelmed sometimes and the harshness and extremely insensitive posts on this forum sometimes.

P.S. I still don't know exactly the point Boomer was trying to make. Was it this one???

billethkid 02-22-2021 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1906076)
Article on todays BBC site regarding early results of those who have been vaccinated.

Covid vaccines - '''spectacular''' impact on serious illness - BBC News
Let us all hope and pray the same positive results here at home.

Unfortunately I do not think the improving results will be reported in the USA.

It just seems like there is a need for many special interest groups to keep the USA population on it's knees, afraid and dependent.

I wonder why there are not more comments on the article/results?

Love2Swim 02-22-2021 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1906096)
To whom do you speak??? I am tired of these kinds of jabs. Everyone I know understands climate change....what they disagree about is spending money on things that don't work to change it. I am disappointed that people are not getting vaccinated against Covid-19. It does kill people. I know of three personally.

I wonder at people discussing 80 years old's with such a Cavalier attitude. I don't understand why someone would think that their life was not precious to them and their children at fifty or at 80.

I am overwhelmed sometimes and the harshness and extremely insensitive posts on this forum sometimes.

P.S. I still don't know exactly the point Boomer was trying to make. Was it this one???
I agree with you about the snarky attitude and comments, but to clarify, there are a lot of people, some who have posted on TOTV, that absolutely deny climate change is man made - they think its just the natural way of things therefore we shouldn't try to change it. Scientists say otherwise, and say we should do everything we can to slow down the rate of change.

graciegirl 02-22-2021 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1906125)
I agree with you about the snarky attitude and comments, but to clarify, there are a lot of people, some who have posted on TOTV, that absolutely deny climate change is man made - they think its just the natural way of things therefore we shouldn't try to change it. Scientists say otherwise, and say we should do everything we can to slow down the rate of change.
There used to be a lot of people that believed that but now not so many. Some folks group everyone into opinion groups and that is completely wrong. Meanwhile, the attitude of many are changing, have changed and yet people still see certain groups as all thinking exactly the same. That is unfair no matter which side of the aisle you sit.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 02-22-2021 09:23 AM
When virtually every doctor in the world tells me that I should get vaccinated I tend to believe them. As opposed to a few outliers who might happen to be retired nurses.

golfing eagles 02-22-2021 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1906153)
When virtually every doctor in the world tells me that I should get vaccinated I tend to believe them. As opposed to a few outliers who might happen to be retired nurses.
Bingo!!!!


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