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jimjamuser 03-08-2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1912375)
Point very well taken. I personally know someone who is suffering the after effects of Agent Orange. I'm not going to comment on the first responders at ground zero as I have no knowledge of what actually transpired and what they were actually told by our government.

Having said that, I still trust Dr. Fauci and other expert epidemiologists, immunologists and virologists that the vaccines are safe for human "consumption" and will give us the light at the end of the tunnel with this pandemic. I am putting my trust in the people who have devoted to their lives in a valiant chosen profession of epidemiology, immunology and virology. I also trust the pharmaceutical companies who used modern technology to develop these vaccines. I trust the process which has brought us this far in this war against an invisible enemy.

I'm not without pause that there may be some risk involved with exposing myself to the mRNA vaccine but it is a risk I am willing to take. For me, the benefit outweighs the risk. I made the decision to be inoculated. Every other person on this earth will be faced with making that choice also not only for themselves but their children .

Life is a crap shoot. Choose wisely and I hope you make the correct decision for yourself and your family.

Well spoken! The sound and smell of coffee is magic in the air. Kudos!

jimjamuser 03-08-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1912579)
EVERYONE will die. Every single person on this planet will die. Take death out of the equation completely, because it has nothing to do with anything. And yes, I know one person who died.

Instead, consider how many people will live with health problems that they didn't have before they got COVID. I know several people who have lasting health conditions as a direct result of the virus. Including my own sister.

So stuff it.

Like I tried to warn 1 in 3 are getting it. And since the British variant has more capacity to spread easily, then the odds may soon become 4 out of 9 and then 1 in every 2nd person. The vaccines are now more readily available so that could swing those odds back to a brighter side. But, one thing I am sure of, is that this CV story is NOT over as much as TV Landers would like it to be. I just basically relay what I hear from sources that I respect because there is a lot of misinformation being spread 2nd hand by TV Landers. So, in good conscience, I can't ignore it because we are talking about life or death information.

islandkin 03-16-2021 09:36 AM

Thank you for your factual information. I am grappling with my decision to get the Johnson and Johnson shot. I do not get flu shots or other preventative vaccinations. I am seriously thinking about getting the Covid Vaccine but have some serious doubts after reading your post. Keep spreading the information regardless of those who criticize. Last time I checked we still had freedom of speech. (Although its getting a bit sketchy.)

sounding 04-08-2021 07:55 AM

Completely agree. We're with you! We follow the data -- not the consensus.

coffeebean 04-08-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by islandkin (Post 1916334)
Thank you for your factual information. I am grappling with my decision to get the Johnson and Johnson shot. I do not get flu shots or other preventative vaccinations. I am seriously thinking about getting the Covid Vaccine but have some serious doubts after reading your post. Keep spreading the information regardless of those who criticize. Last time I checked we still had freedom of speech. (Although its getting a bit sketchy.)

Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com

MDLNB 04-08-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1927694)
Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com


He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.

Kenswing 04-08-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1927694)
Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com

Just because he got the vaccine doesn't mean it's safe. It just means he got the vaccine.

Now before you go and label me an anti-vaxxer. I'm not. I will be getting the vaccine as soon as I get to Florida.

Tmarkwald 04-08-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 1927534)
Completely agree. We're with you! We follow the data -- not the consensus.

Yep, and in the end over 75% of the US will follow the data, get inoculated, and return to society.

The anti-vaxxers are the reason we aren't moving along faster and getting past this.

Madelaine Amee 04-08-2021 01:48 PM

Personally, I have no problem with anyone refusing to be vaccinated, it is their choice. However, when the new international variants start moving freely through society, they may wish they had taken that jab in the arm .... lot easier in the end.

As for masks, no problem there either, I wear my mask when a store requires it, good for me and good for you. There will be a lot less common colds around in the winter months.

coffeebean 04-08-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1927698)
He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.

I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

AJ32162 04-08-2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1927794)
I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.

asianthree 04-08-2021 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1927794)
I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.

Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.

TNLAKEPANDA 04-08-2021 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1903416)
Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

Tmarkwald 04-08-2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1927841)
We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

I just find it hard to believe so many people are taking to do any research on the vaccines. The vaccines have been out for over 10 years, and modified for covid.

But there are still people who seem to think they are invincible and refuse to get vaccinated. TV should be an environment of intelligence and science, not paranoia.

Anti-vaxxers are slowing down the return to normalcy. But Darwin will persevere.....

Sabella 04-09-2021 04:59 AM

I agree
 
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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1903416)
Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

jswirs 04-09-2021 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1912572)
ANY government can make SOME mistakes. People make mistakes ALL the time. The government gave us Social Security which no one except maybe an upper 1% er would complain about. We get free roads. We get improved weather reporting with weather satellites. We get protection from invasion by Russia or China. We get protection from external and internal terrorism. We get protection from criminals and criminal gangs. The US government system is set up to balance or neutralize any power grabs from one branch or individual. The Supreme court and the Justice system as a whole prevent power abuses. Free speech and free media are encouraged. I will stop, but I could have gone on and on. Yes, the system is NOT perfect, but NOTHING is!

And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.

Tmarkwald 04-09-2021 06:00 AM

While some people say your antibody levels are one of the most direct indicators of a vaccine's efficacy, the CDC advises otherwise. "Antibody testing is not recommended to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination," the agency notes on their website.

"After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing—'Oh, I want to see if it's working.' It actually has very little correlation," infectious disease expert Rob Murphy, MD, told The Washington Post. "Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn't work."

Tmarkwald 04-09-2021 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1927914)
Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject.

Studies and clinical trials on RNA vaccines for other viruses – and even cancers – have been going on for a decade.

Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way. And they do not modify your dna.

Three ways RNA is being used in the next generation of medical treatment

Bill14564 04-09-2021 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1927913)
Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

One slight addition: "around the world."

The CDC, WHO, medical experts around the world, science experts around the world, governments around the world, and pharmaceutical companies all believe it is safe and back those claims with research and analysis of the data.

I think I'll believe them over a small handful of posters on ToTV (to include David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired) and some facebook posts that say it is unsafe and back those claims with their strongly held opinions.

graciegirl 04-09-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1927914)
And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.

I say, sir/madame, that on this subject you are incorrectly informed, uninformed, and it makes me suspicious as to what and who you are reading.

You say "You are putting yourself at risk. Essentially (you say), if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject".

I say...Essentially if you do NOT take the vaccine, that essentially you could be completely and very DEAD.

I get so upset when I see people swallow whole things passed from ear to ear, from recorded page to recorded page on Youtube, as Kosher, Valid, Truthful and Trustworthy.

As many have said, it is not only happening here but all over the globe. We have witnessed millions of people dead from this damned bug. I will take my chance on the scientists of this world. And I did. Two shots of Moderna. Our family has also been given Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson and in England, Astra-Zeneca... I do have some worries about the clotting issue there. Someone I knew who was very vocal on the same subject of not trusting the vaccine is now dead. I am not trying to tell this poster to change, just to vette their sources.

Lindsyburnsy 04-09-2021 10:24 AM

Thank you for responding intelligently, to a nitwit post.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-09-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1927913)
Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

It's not that they don't "lie," but rather, their information is more reliable than the information of some random guy on the internet who knows a guy who did some research (googled a subject) who wrote a "paper" and published it on a website where anyone who knows how to upload a file can publish anything at all.

In addition, you're choosing to believe this one random guy, while the entire WORLD - the planet - the globe - the governments of every single country that exists - are working together to eradicate this virus - or at least minimize risk and minimize deaths AND long-haul symptoms and complications from surviving the virus.

So the whole world says "this is most likely true as far as we can tell at the moment" and this one guy says "they're all lying" and you prefer to believe that one guy.

I can't say I'm surprised, given the collective mentality of various and sundry groups of people. I can't even say I'm disappointed, since I set my standards pretty low with regards to certain segments of humanity.

coffeebean 04-09-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ32162 (Post 1927829)
Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.

Do you consider this "grandstanding"? I certainly do not. It is a much needed effort..........

Former Presidents and First Ladies ‘It’s Up To You’ :60 | Ad Council and COVID Collaborative - YouTube

coffeebean 04-09-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1927837)
Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.

I read other forums besides this one. Cruise forums are a great cross section of folks from all over this country and from overseas.

There are some, I won't say a lot, but some, who have actually changed their minds about not getting vaccinated and have either already been vaccinated or are waiting their turn for vaccination.

Some minds were changed when they found out that the Trumps were vaccinated. Some changed their minds when they found out that cruising would not be a possibility unless they got the vaccine. Some changed their minds when they realized that the vaccines were not a product of the devil.

There is always a possibility that someone will change their mind and get vaccinated once they are educated about these available vaccines, specifically the mRNA vaccines that people seem to feel are too "new" to be safe.

coffeebean 04-09-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1927841)
We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

mRNA vaccines are most certainly vaccines. Here is a definition from Miriam-Webster........
Please take note of definition B.
Vaccine | Definition of Vaccine by Merriam-Webster

sounding 04-09-2021 01:49 PM

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

coffeebean 04-09-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 1928153)
They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

I wouldn't use the word "desperate". I would use the word "mindful" or "earnest". Using celebrities is nothing new to try to convince a society of doubters that vaccines are safe, effective and necessary to kick deadly diseases to the curb.

One example.......
Elvis Presley & the Role Celebrities Can Play in Convincing People to Get Vaccines

Tmarkwald 04-09-2021 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 1928153)
This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

uh, what?

coffeebean 04-09-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 1928153)
They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

The vaccines were given emergency use authorization by the FDA for mass vaccination effort for our population. That is good enough for me! The benefits of the vaccine far, far outweigh the risks, for me.

bobdeb 04-15-2021 04:55 PM

It's so difficult at times to determine which way some folks are leaning.

Some things are a personal choice.

canyonblue 04-15-2021 05:34 PM

Billy Joel reminded me...........

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide


"We didn't start the fire"

dougjb 04-15-2021 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1903416)
Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Rarely have I read a more useless and poorly thought out posting in TOTV. This is just another of a series of posts that is made by someone with no epidemiological background who cherry picks stats and statements that are simply not relevant to the COVID-19 vaccines. It shows no understanding of mRNA and how it works. It shows no understanding of why the mRNA vaccines are completely different from the other vaccines quoted in the post. It relates how small pox vaccines are no longer given. The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

GrumpyOldMan 04-15-2021 10:39 PM

It seems so many comments are just reposted for any topic that comes along.

"America is still free" - yes free, but there are laws that are there to protect each of us from the carelessness of others, you can't ALWAYS do what you want. And sometimes you shouldn't do what YOU want. Because you can do something is not the same as you should

"The media lies" - sometimes they write to have a slant, there are not "balanced" media anymore not since the news became a profit center.

"All those posts about... xyz" are just a bunch of elitists, trying to look smart

And on any given subject about stopping the virus. No one thing will solve the problem, masks, social distancing, vaccinations, etc. All of them help, each thing you do helps, none of them are perfect solutions. It seems many people here want perfect solutions and are not willing to do anything if it alone isn't perfect. That is not very smart.

Tmarkwald 04-16-2021 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougjb (Post 1930593)
The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

And that is as pure and true as it can get.

Love2Swim 04-16-2021 05:09 AM

I tried looking up this "D H Dallas, retired RN" etc., and couldn't find anything on him, except for some unsubstantiated internet posts floating around. It always amazes me that people will completely ignore scientists and real doctors, and accept as fact these unproven random internet posts from someone who is just posting their unqualified opinion. So some old, possibly senile, retired RN isn't getting a vaccine. I'm supposed to care about this why? What a ridiculous thread.

Madelaine Amee 04-16-2021 06:01 AM

Did anyone watch the Evangelistic Pastor in Louisiana who is preaching anti-vaccination? A witch doctor in the jungle would have more intelligence! What an ignorant country we are becoming.

Mary Mac 04-16-2021 06:57 AM

Thanks for posting this...

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2021 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1930598)
It seems so many comments are just reposted for any topic that comes along.

"America is still free" - yes free, but there are laws that are there to protect each of us from the carelessness of others, you can't ALWAYS do what you want. And sometimes you shouldn't do what YOU want. Because you can do something is not the same as you should

"The media lies" - sometimes they write to have a slant, there are not "balanced" media anymore not since the news became a profit center.

"All those posts about... xyz" are just a bunch of elitists, trying to look smart

And on any given subject about stopping the virus. No one thing will solve the problem, masks, social distancing, vaccinations, etc. All of them help, each thing you do helps, none of them are perfect solutions. It seems many people here want perfect solutions and are not willing to do anything if it alone isn't perfect. That is not very smart.

The bold/underlined part - wasn't always true. But a certain change to the regulation revoked what was known as the Fairness Doctrine. Because, y'know, the big interest in minimal government and free enterprise. Seems the people who make the biggest fuss about "fake news" are the same people who supported the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which required "truthful news."

graciegirl 04-16-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1930731)
The bold/underlined part - wasn't always true. But a certain change to the regulation revoked what was known as the Fairness Doctrine. Because, y'know, the big interest in minimal government and free enterprise. Seems the people who make the biggest fuss about "fake news" are the same people who supported the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which required "truthful news."

I had not heard of "The Fairness Doctrine". Here is what I found;

Fairness Doctrine
The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.
Wikipedia

The "change" appears to have occurred in 2011.

Hmmm.

Bucco 04-16-2021 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1930772)
I had not heard of "The Fairness Doctrine". Here is what I found;

Fairness Doctrine
The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.
Wikipedia



The "change" appears to have occurred in 2011.

Hmmm.

"The Supreme Court has recognized that regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine, when applied to the print media, are not constitutional. If regulations similar to the Fairness Doctrine could not withstand strict scrutiny when applied to the print media, it appears unlikely that similar regulations would withstand such scrutiny when applied to cable or satellite providers."

FACT CHECK: Did Ronald Reagan Pave the Way for Fox News By Repealing the 'Fairness Doctrine'?

The regulation was disallowed earlier and finally actually taken off the books in 2011 during a clean up of partial regulations that simply were crowding the books.

The "hmmmm" in your reply got my attention.


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