There are WAY more long-term issues to be FEARED from being unvaccinated than being vaccinated. You have recorded long-haul effects of the VIRUS. You have possible death! You have large hospital bills from long stays. The unvaccinated are allowing more and more deadly variants to mutate and take over. The unvaccinated are putting the US and world ECONOMY at risk. The unvaccinated have already destabilized US society by creating division and chaos! More and more vaccine-hesitant people are deciding to GET the vaccine. More private businesses will soon be mandating vaccines for their employees and customers. But, will that be soon enough - or did the VIRUS have time to gain the upper hand worldwide? Is the score now VIRUS - 3 points versus HUMANS - 1 point?

I do NOT believe that Delta is LESS deadly. The recent US-wide statistics show a tripling of hospitalizations and a DOUBLING of DEATHS. Check it out. I have heard that more than once on RESPECTED TV sources. And Delta is certainly more DEADLY to young people. Check Dr. Vin Gupta.

The Delta variant IS new and newsworthy. Florida has 25% of the US new cases and they are because of Delta. That is NEW. People in TV Land want to stay current on ALL possible NEW public health information. This forum IS the proper place for IMPORTANT news. Travel is important to TV Landers and, for example, US citizens can travel to Canada in about a month IF they can show proof of vaccination. This could change if CV conditions worsen in the US. So, it is all changing rapidly and we NEED to stay informed. This is one of the most important and dynamic times in modern history - and more public forum discussion is NEEDED, not less!

If three times as many are being hospitalized and only twice as many are dying then it is less deadly.

But, that is NOT to say it is not deadly. Also, there is a case to be made that when no one was vaccinated more died than since there are so many vacinated.

249 deaths per day from Delta in the US...todays data.

Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count - The New York Times

Everybody always assumes the worst, what if the side effects are good? Like maybe resistance to other diseases like cancer ?

I could NAME 10 side effects from CV. I will give 2 for right now. If hospitalized - you have a large bill. Some people will NOT be able to pay that bill. That will make everyone's insurance costs go up. 2) For every person with a case of the Delta variant, they have infected 6 to 7 people on average. Before Delta, it was about 3.

Really the only long term side effect I have heard about related to COVID is this: If you don't get vaccinated, you may contract the virus and die from COVID. That is a pretty long term side effect.

Go get vaccinated if you haven't done so already! You are risking your life and those around you. Show some community spirit!

Look at the information sheet for ANY medication and you'll see that for SOME PEOPLE it can cause SERIOUS side effects. The COVID-19 vaccines are no exception. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) maintained by the CDC shows 10,991 deaths and 30,781 hospitalizations associated with taking the COVID vaccines through July 9. Since the system is voluntary and there are serious legal consequences for misreporting this may be significant under-reporting of side effects. Google "open VAERS" to get to a website which has VAERS summary data for all vaccines, then click on "COVID Vaccine Data". The VAERS system is also used for ALL vaccines and I think Americans receive something like 500 million vaccinations a year. Yet since the COVID vaccine jabs started the number of VAERS reports has sky-rocketed. And remember the COVID vaccines have not gone through the same exhaustive years-long testing that other vaccines went through to get FDA approval. And the COVID vaccine are not FDA approved. They only have Emergency Use Authorization.

COVID-19 has an infection fatality rate that varies tremendously with age. I've seen a meta-analysis showing the infection fatality rate is over 1,000 times higher for 80+ year-olds then for those 19 years old or younger. Add in co-morbidities such as obesity, emphysema or pulmonary edema which many old-timers have and you see that COVID-19 can be deadly for us Villagers.

For Villagers taking the vaccine involves trading the risk of side effects for a significant reward (perhaps life itself). And if there are long-term side-effects we might not be around a long time to experience them. But, for a healthy young college student, especially a girl who may want to have children someday taking the vaccine involves trading the risk of side effects (sometimes fatal or life-altering) for almost no reward. If a young healthy person gets COIVD-19 they might not even know they have it or simply suffer a few sniffles and if they do get COVID-19 they will be rewarded with anti-bodies protecting them against future coronavirus infections.

For old-timers taking the COVID vaccine is a no-brainer. Forcing young children to take it is child abuse.

That is correct to included children's education and socialization in the discussion of long-term effects - because ideally, the US should have been able to vaccinate, mask and socially distance itself from Covid by the beginning of this new school year. We did NOT succeed well! So, the long-term effects on US society could be devastating. The next generation of leaders and workers could be less motivated and creative. There will likely be NEW health care problems and NEW vaccines needed in the future.

The way I understand it is.......the Delta variant has greater potential to breakthrough in a Vaccinate person. That person then suffers only mild symptoms or is asymptomatic. They then carry around a SMALL amount of CV. The amount is too small to infect other vaccinated people. The Olympics must have sophisticated testing that detects these SMALL amounts - Then out of an abundance of caution and to satisfy high Japanese concern - they quarantine those athletes.

What I am curious about is if these small amounts of CV carried by the asymptomatic vaccinated people are enough to infect unvaccinated people? I have not heard an answer to that question.

It could also be different genetics.

What I was trying to say is that the comparisons are between deaths in the most recent weeks, where the Delta variant became dominant, and PRIOR weeks. Also, hospitalizations compared weeks to weeks. I did NOT mean to compare ratios of deaths to hospitalizations. That ratio has been slowly decreasing in the past due to better hospital techniques and experiences. Sorry for the lack of clarity!

That is a GREAT point! I did not think of that. That shows the value of a wide-ranging discussion in a forum for a life and death topic. TVLanders want knowledge!

Then this entire discussion is nothing but conjecture and speculation...