[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Waste of resources. Executive courses from green tees are the same thing as pitch putt

Maybe from some of the front tees, but certainly not from the back tees...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Let’s cut to the chase. It is a fact that the pitch and putt courses book last, thus they are the least desirable courses to play. Why? It is a fact that 190 yd tee shots are harder than 90 yd tee shots. Contrary to what others may imply. People want to play courses that offer challenges. If you are ok with pitch and putt courses. Or if you are ok with people south of 44 driving north to play then please push back on my post. Otherwise, I am simply asking if there are ways to help influence the developers to build what home owners want.

You do know that they are currently building and have plans for 5 more executive courses South of 44, don't you?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pete Swanson

How did you arrive at the conclusion that they are the last to be booked? What was your source of info?

All you need do is look at the available t-tims.

Even when all of the Executive courses are booked, you can easily find t-times on the pitch & putts...

[larcha]

You make a very valid point. Pitch and putt and the putting course at the First Responders recreation center should be in a separate category. Playing there should not affect points for executive golf play. It also should not be counted as "holes of golf" when advertising the number of golf holes available in The Villages.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

Basically, you don't stop it. The idea is that residents south of 44 are going to trend toward the younger range of retired seniors - like in their 50s. These younger folks don't want to WASTE the time going to a 18 hole longer type course. They realize that the longer course is BORING and of LITTLE exercise value so they would rather play the pitch and putt, which gives them the skilled shots and clubs while eliminating the driver and the 2 or whatever iron. And they may still have time to go to a weight room or run on a track for REAL EXERCISE.
...... THERE ARE many other advantages of pitch and putt.....starting with less BACK pain and injuries, which is a BIG bugaboo for the over-50 crowd that wants to pace themselves and avoid injury so that they can still be relatively PAIN free and "running, jumping, and playing" well into their 80s and up.
.......Pitch and Putt is less expensive than the alternative and leaves money left over to buy that antique vehicle that they always desired.
........Pitch and Putt is less frustrating and can be played less competitively (if desired) vs the longer alternative.
.........Pitch and Putt leaves more time at the POOL so they can work on their TAN and show off to their northern friends.
......Pitch and Putt has fewer heart attacks during the HEAT of the summer than the alternative.
.......Pitch and Putt has less grass area, therefore NEEDS less fertilizer that can run off into the close by lakes and pollute them. Also, there is the obvious need for less water, which helps keep the cost of water DOWN and helps out with the resident's budget.
........I may have missed a few others ?

[RayAmb]

If you live south of 44 get some championship courses. They were to be built . .?.
North courses are packed and your driving prices up. What’s wrong with you?

[Irish4243]

Originally Posted by bjansson

You have to consider the hazards of putting an executive course that close to the freeway. The fairways are a lot longer on an Executive course and you really have to belt that ball out there to get to the green. If that ball went awry you might hit someone on the freeway accidently. So in lieu of putting up great big nets to protect the freeway drivers the developer gets to save land and build more houses.

When they start developing the land farther away from the freeway I'm sure they will add more executive courses south of 44.

They built Southern Oaks next to the turnpike. You could hit any club and hit a car on the turnpike.

[jimkerr]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

Definitely not undesirable. They are always packed. The Villages is now building the things Gen X wants.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by PaPaLarry

Is there parking for cars at all these pitch and putt courses.?

How many 9 hole executives have parking for cars, other than the ones south of 44? This is a golf cart community.

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Irish4243

They built Southern Oaks next to the turnpike. You could hit any club and hit a car on the turnpike.

Complete BS

[Samcat13]

You'll Need to go to the Main office wherever that is and protest. I'll sure you'll can over power the security guards.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Have you actually tried to get a t time at Richmond? It’s is just as difficult to get a t time as other executive course. i know some people don’t like sarasota either because it’s pretty easy. Marsh Bend needs to get cleaned up to take some pressure off Richmond.

Sarasota is not that “easy” from the black tees. I don’t see many using the oversize holes.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by retfc2@yahoo.com

I platy both Ex. & P/P. I enjoy both. Are you a golf elitists? There are levels of gofers, get used to it.

I would hardly call anyone who wants less PNP in favor of more Exec courses "a golf elitist"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by bjansson

You have to consider the hazards of putting an executive course that close to the freeway. The fairways are a lot longer on an Executive course and you really have to belt that ball out there to get to the green. If that ball went awry you might hit someone on the freeway accidently. So in lieu of putting up great big nets to protect the freeway drivers the developer gets to save land and build more houses.

When they start developing the land farther away from the freeway I'm sure they will add more executive courses south of 44.

Really "belt the ball out there" to get to the green on an exec??? Now that's the funniest comment of the day!

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Irish4243

They built Southern Oaks next to the turnpike. You could hit any club and hit a car on the turnpike.

They were reviewing the design of Southern Oaks, and the FLA DOT was fine with errant golf balls landing on the windshield of trucks and cars do 75 MPH.