[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jabacon6669

Sad to think that it's now all about the developer maximizing his dollar. The developer did a nice job laying out the championship courses further north, 27 holes, lined with homes. They look great. Championship courses are in short supply in the new areas. The focus has clearly changed.

They are in the process of building or the planning stages of three more in the Southern areas... The focus is no different...

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Please don't hold your breathe while you're waiting for them.

Take a drive down Warm Springs and 470 initial land prep is underway as far as the eye can see. There's evidence everything on this map has started.

It's a little mind boggling to see the scope and rate of progress. Many of the new courses started construction six months ago.

[PaPaLarry]

Thankyou

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

How do we get people to stop thinking that they are in charge of what a private business decides to do? How do we get people to realize that if they are no longer unhappy with the community in which they live, that they should consider doing the only thing that they have actual control over?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

How do we get people to stop thinking that they are in charge of what a private business decides to do? How do we get people to realize that if they are no longer unhappy with the community in which they live, that they should consider doing the only thing that they have actual control over?

Much easier for them to whine on this site.

[MSGirl]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I don’t know why they built Richmond as a pitch & putt instead of as an executive. It is 18 holes and the total length is about 1300 yards. You could easily put a nine hole executive on the piece of land.

Less expensive

[Notsocrates]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to
Villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan

This reminds me of the New York Times writer in 1972 who didn't understand how Nixon got elected because no one she knew voted for him.
Speak for yourself OP, and don't presume.
P&P are great.

[Gatorgreen]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Basically, you don't stop it. The idea is that residents south of 44 are going to trend toward the younger range of retired seniors - like in their 50s. These younger folks don't want to WASTE the time going to a 18 hole longer type course. They realize that the longer course is BORING and of LITTLE exercise value so they would rather play the pitch and putt, which gives them the skilled shots and clubs while eliminating the driver and the 2 or whatever iron. And they may still have time to go to a weight room or run on a track for REAL EXERCISE.
...... THERE ARE many other advantages of pitch and putt.....starting with less BACK pain and injuries, which is a BIG bugaboo for the over-50 crowd that wants to pace themselves and avoid injury so that they can still be relatively PAIN free and "running, jumping, and playing" well into their 80s and up.
.......Pitch and Putt is less expensive than the alternative and leaves money left over to buy that antique vehicle that they always desired.
........Pitch and Putt is less frustrating and can be played less competitively (if desired) vs the longer alternative.
.........Pitch and Putt leaves more time at the POOL so they can work on their TAN and show off to their northern friends.
......Pitch and Putt has fewer heart attacks during the HEAT of the summer than the alternative.
.......Pitch and Putt has less grass area, therefore NEEDS less fertilizer that can run off into the close by lakes and pollute them. Also, there is the obvious need for less water, which helps keep the cost of water DOWN and helps out with the resident's budget.
........I may have missed a few others ?

Exactly

[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by derkster

The least they could do is treat the Pitch and Putt courses as a separate category in the reservation system like they do with Executive and Championship courses. I would actually play them if it did not add a point to my Executive play totals. It is a point that impacts getting group reservations in the system and should not be considered as having played an Executive course.

Excellent Comment on points system and Pitch & Putts. In addition, I wish there was a way to 'require' new golfers to play Pitch & Putts several times before allowing play on Executives. Then a similar requirement (or HDCP) before playing Championships. I am seeing lot's of slow play and course (unrepaired) damage from new players.
On Origianl Post - More Executives are needs South of Intrerstate too. We don't need three or four Championships down here yet. (East Point area)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

Yep…. If people don’t stand up they will go to virtual golf. What could be cheaper? I have contacted them, is there batter suggestions?

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

All the land dedicated to golf courses, could then become non-polluting homes, with chemical fertilizer applied by non-professionals, the grass cut by magic.

Good thinking.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

Or alternatively, we could all go back to living like we did 5,000 years ago. Does that statement also hold true for virtual football, virtual soccer, virtual baseball, and my favorite, virtual polo? Personally, I'd be in favor of virtual posters (for some)

[Jimjane]

It is my understanding that to meet the requirements of the planned development as well as the respected counties comprehensive development plan a certain amount of open space is required based on the density requested. Seems to me if the required open space can not support an executive course the developer is creating an amenity that will accommodate the space that can be enjoyed by the residents. I’m personally happy to see the effort the planners and developers make to ensure the beautiful amenities that are offered. I’ve never in my years found a way to please everyone all the time. And it seems that’s becoming more evident in todays world. Lastly I have friends that I’ve met though the years of being here that can no longer play the championship courses so they moved on to the executives. They move to the friendly tees as they grow older. Now they enjoy the pitch and putt as well as the putting areas so they can stay active in golf. I personally feel this is what our community is all about. I hope you feel the same way because we all are heading in the same direction.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Gatorgreen

Exactly

This time of year I've witnessed a lot more slow play, unrepaired ball marks, bunker rakes laying in the grass, and unfilled divots, the groups behind hitting up before the other group leaves the green. A requirement to attend the Good Golf Class prior to being able to make a tee time would help but, maybe not. Kind of like asking the entitled to drive a golf cart like they have some sense.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Horse hockey! They are building 5-6 more Executive and 3 more Championship courses below 44.

To your other points... You know nothing about golf. Your comment that to play the pitch and putts, one must give up their "driver and the 2-iron" proves that. In reality, you would have to give up 9-10 of your (14) clubs to play.

Nor do you know anything about what "younger folks" want to do... When I play golf when I'm in MD, if I'm not in my usual 4-some, I'm ALWAYS playing with a 20-30 something kid...

My son in law is a golf fanatic and he's 35. He can't wait to visit next month so we can play golf... My wife thought golf was "boring" until she started playing. Now, she understands the skill and technique that goes into playing and she'll sit and watch a tournament on TV (when the weather is bad and we can't be outside playing golf or pickleball)... I suggest you actually try it. Maybe you'll learn something...

According to you:

Pickleball is bad... Too many injuries...
Golf is bad... Too many injuries (even though I regularly play with men in their 80's who can often kick my butt!)

I guess your solution is an e-bike, which gives minimal exercise and can get you killed...

All that grass on a golf course helps clear that dreaded CO2 you keep complaining about... The water used is reclaimed. The same water used in your sprinkler system...

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
..........And incidentally every year the world's forests decrease especially in the Amazon Rain (soon to be desert). If golfers really cared about their next generation, they would require that 5% of the cost of green fees were sent to an organization for preserving the Amazon and other forests. The US forests are all dry and burning as part of Global Warming, which most golfers are quick to ignore. I could say you folks are only "fore" yourselfs, but I won't.