[Altavia]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
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Most of the land south of the Turnpike is former ranch lan.

They try to preserve the groves of trees that were clumped together on the ranch land.

With the addition of the many ponds and landscaping, you see more diverse wildlife, especially birds, which are the "canary" for an improving environment.

Bald Eagles and even otters are now common sight fishing the ponds where cattle formerly grazed.

And keep in mind the golf courses are also part of the storm water management system.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually....thanks I forgot to mention another problem with the larger Golf courses - that they are grass and grass does NOT compare well to TREES when it comes to removing CO2. And MANY, many TREES must get cut down to accommodate a few golfers driving polluting golf carts around when they should be walking. Bad for the planet, but golfers typically care only about themselves, so no surprise there.
..........And incidentally every year the world's forests decrease especially in the Amazon Rain (soon to be desert). If golfers really cared about their next generation, they would require that 5% of the cost of green fees were sent to an organization for preserving the Amazon and other forests. The US forests are all dry and burning as part of Global Warming, which most golfers are quick to ignore. I could say you folks are only "fore" yourselfs, but I won't.

Do you have a legitimate source for that assertion??? After all both trees and grass utilize the same basic formula for photosynthesis----6CO2 + 6 H2O = C6H12O6(glucose) + 6O2, and the surface area of grass blades equals or exceeds that of "trees"

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would PREFER virtual golf because then there would be zero fertilizer runoff and zero lake nutrient pollution. And there would be zero gas engine pollution from the polluting grass-cutting equipment.

And he’s allowed to hijack yet another thread.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

And he’s allowed to hijack yet another thread.

You mean Jimmy One Note?????

[Normal]

I love the Pitch and Putts, they are so well done. Yes, it makes it sometimes difficult to book, but the courses are worth the wait. If you don’t care for them, the snowbirds will be gone in a couple of months, then there will be walk ons on every course again.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Take a drive down Warm Springs and 470 initial land prep is underway as far as the eye can see. There's evidence everything on this map has started.

It's a little mind boggling to see the scope and rate of progress. Many of the new courses started construction six months ago.

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.

First of all, nobody "gleefully" yells "fore", it is usually the result of a pretty bad shot or perhaps bad judgement when it was hit.

Secondly, and here's a news flash, every century dozens of species go extinct and dozens of new species emerge. Just think what your cow fart, I mean burp scenario would be like if we still had mastodons and wooly mammoths

Extinction and speciation are dynamic processes that have flourished for 3-4 billion years. Do you think we have the wisdom to do better than nature?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Or alternatively, we could all go back to living like we did 5,000 years ago. Does that statement also hold true for virtual football, virtual soccer, virtual baseball, and my favorite, virtual polo? Personally, I'd be in favor of virtual posters (for some)

I have to admit that even when I rarely agree with what you say, you do have the capability for some very humorous posts. Keep up that very POSITIVE work.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I have to admit that even when I rarely agree with what you say, you do have the capability for some very humorous posts. Keep up that very POSITIVE work.

I'll try. But you must admit it isn't easy

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"Land prep is underway".........that may sound wonderful to a zealous golfer, but I hear it as, " cutting down more trees and having no conscience about the environment or future generations. Forget Pitch and Putt........bigger is ALWAYS BETTER........that is the American frontier motto.......tear up the trees and environment if they get in the WAY of so-called PROGRESS.

And every year you can read about the HOLE in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico that is CAUSED by excess fertilizer and other nutrient runoff. Also, red tide is likely caused by the same runoff. And of course, the Florida MANATEE is soon to be put on the endangered species list because of habitat loss and excess human pollution destroying the seagrass that they eat. Also, think about those CONSEQUENCES (like EXTINCTION is NOT reversible) .........think about those every time you gleefully yell FORE. Maybe the Manatees and the environment should be "fore" warned. And your descendants that will only see a MANATEE STUFFED and in a MUSEUM.

Do you have any thought on the correct way to prepare Sauerkraut?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Do you have any thought on the correct way to prepare Sauerkraut?

I don't know if he does or doesn't, but I think he prefers to serve it on a re-used paper plate.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

All the land dedicated to golf courses, could then become non-polluting homes, with chemical fertilizer applied by non-professionals, the grass cut by magic.

Good thinking.

I "walk the walk" I cut my own grass with a relatively non-polluting ELECTRIC lawn mower. And I use small amounts of natural fertilizer and water by hand only sparingly and avoid all the overwatering and maintenance hassles of those dumb pop-up sprinkler heads. And I PLANTED trees 5 years ago. Love my trees! Shade in the summer.
......And I play sports, not golf, which is just a BIG pool table with huge social and environmental costs and little return in healthful exercise. Also to play the bigger courses other than Pitch and Putt, you have to take a driver and wrack and whack your knees, hips, and back in an unnatural motion. With Pitch and Putt, you avoid that extreme golf swing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DonH57

This time of year I've witnessed a lot more slow play, unrepaired ball marks, bunker rakes laying in the grass, and unfilled divots, the groups behind hitting up before the other group leaves the green. A requirement to attend the Good Golf Class prior to being able to make a tee time would help but, maybe not. Kind of like asking the entitled to drive a golf cart like they have some sense.

I do agree that if you MUST play golf, you should enjoy it in an unhurried manner. If you want to be pushy and tightly wired - you need to take up being a day-trading stock trader. Or start the morning taking "doggy downers".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Most of the land south of the Turnpike is former ranch lan.

They try to preserve the groves of trees that were clumped together on the ranch land.

With the addition of the many ponds and landscaping, you see more diverse wildlife, especially birds, which are the "canary" for an improving environment.

Bald Eagles and even otters are now common sight fishing the ponds where cattle formerly grazed.

And keep in mind the golf courses are also part of the storm water management system.

There is some TRUTH to what you say. It is ALWAYS possible to make a case for something, which sometimes is a rationalization. I know for a fact that pheasant and quail eggs are thin-shelled and NOT hatching due to excessive pesticides used in the midwest farms. Now whether the golf courses have excessive pesticide use......I do NOT know for sure, but I suspect that they do. I have seen workers spray some chemical alongside the multi use paths and I watched 2 wild large black land turtles dying from it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, nobody "gleefully" yells "fore", it is usually the result of a pretty bad shot or perhaps bad judgement when it was hit.

Secondly, and here's a news flash, every century dozens of species go extinct and dozens of new species emerge. Just think what your cow fart, I mean burp scenario would be like if we still had mastodons and wooly mammoths

Extinction and speciation are dynamic processes that have flourished for 3-4 billion years. Do you think we have the wisdom to do better than nature?

The "gleefully yelling FORE" was an exaggeration for EFFECT with a little HUMOROUS overtones thrown in for good measure. It IS not unusual for writers to "exaggerate for effect". Other posters have done that in other posts. Why would my humor be bad, but your humor is good? I don't see the logic?