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People who think it’s ok not to obey the rules of golf etiquette because they want to joke around with their friends probably are the ones who talk in movie theaters too or block the aisles at the supermarkets talking with their friends. Very self centered think the world revolves around them.
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Very well said!
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Next time the OP should pick his companions to make sure they are "serious " golfers and not we old guys enjoying life. |
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As far as moving your ball in the rough, taking putts taking the ball out of a bunker, that doesn't affect me. If people want to do that because it helps them enjoy the game more, let them go ahead. It's the same as people who got all upset over all of the holes in one while we had PVC pipes sticking up out of the holes. Why would that upset anyone. If people want to lie to themselves or fool themselves into thinking that they holed a shot it only affects them. In fact when people are learning the game improving their lie, tossing the ball from a bunker and all of the other things they do will help them move along more quickly. It's the same as the double par stroke limit. It's not as if they're playing tournament golf. They are not turning in scores for a handicap. They are simply out for fun, exercise, camaraderie and sunshine. I say let them do what they want as long as they don't intefere with other players. |
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I never played golf until we moved here. Bought a set of clubs at a yard sale that seemed comfortable for me. Attended the good golf school, took beginner's lessons. Got in as a single mostly at El Diablo or El Santiago with so many various people and pretty much always felt welcomed. The hardest part for me was playing with others of various golf experience and not knowing how they would react to my inexperience. I focused on just trying to keep pace which meant just pick up the ball and go sometimes. No problem. What I've found here in the villages is we have a lot of people playing with no respect for the course let alone other golfers or the game. During my playing time I'm the person I'll admit missing my ball mark and repair three others, raking out the bunker I've been in and others didn't bother. I've missed a divot or two maybe but I don't try to grind up chunks of real estate and leave it. Asking the starter if they ever press charges puts a puzzled look on their face. I'll also apologize in advance if I break wind when you swing your tee shot. Have a great day.:a040:
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I think you need to join a league that is serious about the game. Unfortunately you don't know who tour going to get.
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I started playing golf in my thirties but read a lot about golf and golf etiquette and hit the practice facilities before I ever went on a golf course. It’s pretty easy to educate yourself. When I play with my usual group of guys we play “ready up golf” and we certainly have fun but don’t talk while one of us are teeing off. Because of our age we might accidentally stumble into a players line or forget which way the sun is shining but we are still swinging and never plan to give up. Fore! |
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A friend and I played an executive course on Tuesday.
We played with a couple that was new to The Villages and only played golf for a couple of months. They both insisted on playing from the back tees and hit several extra tee shots. By the time we were finished my nerves were raveled because we had people behind us waiting to hit on every hole. Some people just don't have a clue. :ohdear::ohdear: |
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You cannot control what other “inconsiderate” golfers do.
Perhaps you could take a lesson from what happened to Tiger Woods. He said his dad used to try to distract him during his backswing by rattling the change in his pocket. Try seeing other golfer’s peccadilloes as personal challenges you can overcome. |
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I think if we show them the etiquette in a subtle, polite way, they usually “get it”. Oddly enough and not surprisingly, I play, score better & had more fun playing with casual fun golfers than when playing with serious competitive ones. But that’s just me. Thank you, -myk |
A golf class would be like a safe driving class, everyone thinks they are a great driver, I don’t need that, same for golf school. Why don’t you make friends and play with them, or can you not find anyone up to your standards? Relax have fun.
I’m sure your Beatles friends think you are a great guy, aren’t there 3 people you can play a round with? :bigbow: |
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I've been to a lot of seminars where I was bored for most of the time but found that I always learned something. In addition experienced golfer might even be able to contribute to the conversation. I found that sometimes asking a question to which I already knew the answer would force the speaker to bring up something that other's needed to know. I don't think that two hours is that big of a deal to make golf in The Villages more enjoyable for everyone. |
Golf was invented and developed as a "Gentlemens" game. Common courtesy is the main unwritten rule. Based on some of the snide disingenuous comments towards the OP, some posters need to throw their clubs in a pond and just go hang out at the bar where rude and boorish behavior is acceptable.
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"Ready Golf" is a thing that is emphasized in the Good Golf School. In my opinion, that is a reason that courtesy seems lacking. I am not a long time golfer, but have always, for example, understood you were to wait for your opponent to hit on the fairway and the greens if he is farther from the hole. Ready golf says whoever is ready to hit, hits. Some use these rules, others don't makes for real confusion and some could call that not being courteous. Ready Gold emphasizes fast play which doesn't allow much time for lining up a putt or deciding on a different fairway club, etc. While you are lining up, someone else decides to shoot. Fast play is great, but not at the expense of courtesy and playing the game at your best. There is a time allotted for play on most score cards; if you are plus minus 5-10 minutes from that you should take your time and play gold as it was designed to play. Also, if you agree with me, then you won't be pushing, pushing people ahead of you if they are a little slower. Aren't we all retired? Relax and enjoy. Finally, it is true that you should expect less skilled golfers and perhaps less knowledgeable golfers on Exec Courses.
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I agree with the original post. It is a reasonable expectation that when playing golf—everyone should follow the rules of golf. I get it that many new golfers play the executive courses and it does take some time and practice to learn etiquette in addition to skills. However intentionally violating those rules just because you like it better that way and expecting others to conform to your violations of the rules and etiquette is not reasonable. My husband and I signed up To play on an executive course and another couple signed up also. We thought it was great that we might meet another couple that like to golf. They never stopped talking. When you had a par putt, they would burst into one song, and if it was a birdie putt they would burst into a different one. While you are putting! Any other putt they wanted to all hit their balls at the same time. I could not wait to get off that course. Found out they have lived here many years. Not surprising they have to sign up with unsuspecting strangers in order to make a foursome.
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About 18 months ago, my injury acted up and I quit playing again. I've been back play for about six weeks now and am finding it very difficult. I'm almost 69 years old and have had three back surgeries, two shoulder surgeries, surgery for a torn meniscus in my knee, a fractured left calcaneus (heel bone) and recently had a bout with prostate cancer. My left heel is held together by seven screws and because of the cancer, my testosterone has been shut down. I'm finding it very difficult to play, but do enjoy hitting a decent shot now and then and it is getting a bit better. Another problem that I have is that my standards are still what they were thirty years ago. But how well a person can play should have nothing to do with the subject matter. I've played with plenty of people who could barely hit the ball but understood the rule of etiquette. I've played with others who were decent players, but were obnoxious in their disregard for other players. |
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You know your playing with a newbie, when you wait for them to retrieve cart (push cart or clubs) from 2 shots back, ugh!!!
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Sounds like you had A Hard Day’s Night
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I still disagree with your premise---there are many who would be bored out of their minds for 2 hours. As to those experienced golfers who ignore etiquette---they would take a mandatory class and then go right on ignoring etiquette. And I'm not there to "bring up something" that others need to know----that is the instructors job. In all fairness to you, however, I don't play executive courses so I have no idea how bad it is out there, but I can imagine. |
No amount of education on proper etiquette whether its on golf course or in a restaurant or in any public space will help here in It's All about me land
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I know I have the same a couple of times. I have met some good people as well
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And how about people that don’t fix ball marks on the green. The “elite” don’t rake traps either.
I know nobody is raking now but I mean when play is normal. |
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Our foursome if no one is in front of us, can play 18 holes in just over 3 hours, when you stuck playing an almost 5 hour round because the foursome in front of you are always looking for their ball, driving their cart back and forth across the fairway, talking on the green, waiting to hit when group in front of them is on the green. There are lost souls, and that is what he was posting about and obviously you don't get it!! |
I personally am not a golfer, tried it once with my sister and immediately realized it’s not for me. I like to socialize laugh talk and don’t find it fun for me at all. Didn’t know the rules, the ambassador came yelling cause we were taking too long. For the person who wrote this, find a group that’s as serious about golf as you are. You can’t expect to play with others you don’t know and expect them to play the way you want. Find your own friends!!
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I talked about replacing or sanding divots, raking bunkers and fixing ball marks. His first comment was, "That's the green keeper's job." I played with a young lady one day that was taking way too long to play. We were almost two holes behind. I mentioned to her that the people behind us were waiting . Her response was "Let them wait. I have a right be be here." Now they are very nice people but they don't understand anything about golf. That is why everyone needs to go to some kind of school before they're allowed on the golf course. |
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In an eighteen hole the amount of time that someone is actually preparing to hit or hitting the ball is about 22 minutes. A foursome is on the golf course for about four hours or more. That 88 minutes or an hour and 28 minutes that the group is actually actively engage in playing golf. The rest of the time is spent walking or riding to the ball. That's two and a half hours to have fun versus an hour and a half to be quiet, courteous and respectful of others. Plenty of time to have fun. |
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At one point as I was over my ball, she dropped a club into her bag. I backed off and before I could even look up she said, "Sorry". I said, "No problem" and hit my shot. That's the difference between people who care about other's while they're playing and those that don't. I didn't get upset because of this because it was a one time thing. It was an accident and she knew that she made a mistake. What upsets me is that people have no idea how to behave on a golf course. |
Executive golf is social golf if you wish you should try playing nine holes on a championship course.
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Given that the exec's are free, it's pretty easy to understand that their very existence...is aimed at a different crowd. If you're serious and trying "shoot a score"...you should probably be on a champ course. :shrug: |
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