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gighilton 02-19-2024 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Hamilton (Post 2301900)
My wife and I played golf on Tarpon Boil Executive golf course yesterday and the course was horrific. EVERY GREEN were like the pictures attached. Whoever is in charge of making the decision if a course should be open, should be replaced. Better yet, make them waste 2 hrs of their day trying to putt on them, and then remove them. They should be ashamed. I was told from a fellow golfer playing that the sister course RedFish Run was just as bad. What's going on here in the villages? It's so sad.

That ain't sanding and regular care, that is AWFUL! There is a person Ken Roshaven in systems at administration that is in charge of golf schedules. Perhaps start there to direct complaints...

fdpaq0580 02-19-2024 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MX rider (Post 2302694)
I disagree. We played that course and Redfish 2 weeks ago. The greens were the worst I've seen...anywhere. More bare spots than grass.

It's not from too much wear and tear. It's beyond that, something has infected those greens and they need redone.
The starter even told us "don't try to putt, just take 2 strokes and move on".
That said, I played Palmetto last week and the greens were very good and it gets just as much use.

Bottom line, they need to fix those greens.

How? How soon would you expect improvement to "good".? My point is, short of total replacement, it will take time. Either way, the course should be closed.
For the starter to tell you "take two" is telling me, he advocate cheating. In my case, it would improve my game.

ILLINOIS RAY 02-19-2024 10:16 AM

Course Conditions
 
You can look up schedule of airation and sanding on Villages golf site. Avoid for 2 weeks after. They need to do this annually.

fdpaq0580 02-19-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLINOIS RAY (Post 2302767)
You can look up schedule of airation and sanding on Villages golf site. Avoid for 2 weeks after. They need to do this annually.

Avoid for two weeks should translate as, course closed! Keep everyone off until it recovers. Or, bring on the artificial turf. (Nah! Me neither.)

Camranhvet 02-19-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MX rider (Post 2302694)
I disagree. We played that course and Redfish 2 weeks ago. The greens were the worst I've seen...anywhere. More bare spots than grass.

It's not from too much wear and tear. It's beyond that, something has infected those greens and they need redone.
The starter even told us "don't try to putt, just take 2 strokes and move on".
That said, I played Palmetto last week and the greens were very good and it gets just as much use.

Bottom line, they need to fix those greens.

Palmetto has been closed more than open the past year for the same reasons. The down time enabled them to correct the issue.

fdpaq0580 02-19-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Camranhvet (Post 2302803)
Palmetto has been closed more than open the past year for the same reasons. The down time enabled them to correct the issue.

Yep! Hard to get grass to grow when every thing is dormant and is being stomped on, driven over and whacked with clubs and balls every few minutes, day after day.

mntlblok 02-20-2024 07:43 AM

Fungus?
 
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Originally Posted by Dave951 (Post 2301923)
We played Churchill, Lowlands,and Mickey Lee this past week. Greens were great. Reddish, Tarpon, and Bonita are terrible. They should be closed impossible to putt on

Saw it speculated here that the problem is fungus related. Makes sense, but I'm surprised that what precisely is going on hasn't been communicated here or elsewhere by now. Would expect something that bizarre would have become common knowledge by now.

We played Tarpon Boil for the first time recently and witnessed those greens. Have never seen anything like it. A most memorable day, too, as the wind, the cold, and my swing were nearly as bad as the turf conditions, though my putting was little worse than usual. Oh, and there was that haughty, former politician we endured. :-)

Have played MickeyLee a couple of times lately and the putting surface has been immaculate each time. Oddly, when we played it last week, there were zero ball marks nor any any sign that there had *ever* been a ball mark made on those greens. I hit the ball particularly well that day but had many balls strike the greens ground from on high, yet bounce and roll far past where the ball mark "would have been". I use "soft" balls (second hand :-) ) and normally find a ball mark rather near the landing spot. Having recently read of new (to me) methods of repairing same, I was hoping to get in some "testing". It's apparently another of my oddball traits that I find ball mark repair to be a most satisfying and "fun" endeavor - even those not of my own making. Brings back long ago memories of learning about healing via primary vs. secondary intention. :-)

Which reminds me. I *still* have found no answer for my finding that, even on the same course on the same day (I mostly play the par threes), some holes will be loaded with ball marks (repaired and otherwise) whilst others will have nary an imperfection. What's up with that? Obviously, one would expect more such marks on a hole of such length that it regularly receives wedges rather than 4 irons, but the differences have also been noted amongst holes of comparable length. I've made that inquiry a *lot* with never a satisfactory answer. While I'm sure every patch of turf grass can't receive exactly the same amount of water, I imagine that they're all "pretty close" for any given course. Based on past experience, I imagine that I'll still be asking this same question years from now. :-) Something for which to look forward. . .

BrianL99 02-20-2024 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2303064)

Which reminds me. I *still* have found no answer for my finding that, even on the same course on the same day (I mostly play the par threes), some holes will be loaded with ball marks (repaired and otherwise) whilst others will have nary an imperfection. What's up with that? Obviously, one would expect more such marks on a hole of such length that it regularly receives wedges rather than 4 irons, but the differences have also been noted amongst holes of comparable length. I've made that inquiry a *lot* with never a satisfactory answer. While I'm sure every patch of turf grass can't receive exactly the same amount of water, I imagine that they're all "pretty close" for any given course. Based on past experience, I imagine that I'll still be asking this same question years from now. :-) Something for which to look forward. . .

Inconsistent construction techniques. Ball Divots are related to the softness (wetness, usually) of the Greens. If the underlining material is consistent, ball marks will typically consistent. If the underlying material of the Green isn't uniform, ball marks won't be, either.

Two Bills 02-20-2024 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddymac (Post 2302544)
Sanding Spiking ??? NO ITS CALL PAINTING SAND!!! Close the course and get it fixed!!

Sorry. I do not have the authority.
You may have, or you could instruct the powers that be to do your bidding.

mntlblok 02-20-2024 08:56 AM

Consistency
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2303080)
Inconsistent construction techniques. Ball Divots are related to the softness (wetness, usually) of the Greens. If the underlining material is consistent, ball marks will typically consistent. If the underlying material of the Green isn't uniform, ball marks won't be, either.

While that would be a perfectly reasonable "cause", it strains credulity that the folks overseeing such a "specialty" type construction would allow such a wide variation. I suppose that's "possible", but. . .

Reminds me of what we've witnessed here with the amazing rapidity of home construction. I have a bit of assembly line work way back in my background and have seen some incredible skills (in others) who have put in enough "reps". My sense is that such folks tend to figure out what works and then hone it.

But, that does give me food for thought. Drainage has to factor in there somewhere, eh? Hmmm. Wonder if the paucity of ball marks might correlate with more elevated greens or more "uphill" type tee shots. . .

mntlblok 02-20-2024 09:04 AM

Softness
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2303080)
Inconsistent construction techniques. Ball Divots are related to the softness (wetness, usually) of the Greens. If the underlining material is consistent, ball marks will typically consistent. If the underlying material of the Green isn't uniform, ball marks won't be, either.

That also reminds me that I *think* that I can "feel" variations in the softness of greens as I tread. But, that also has not seemed to correlate with ball markness. My sophistication in matters of taste, though, has always landed well down in the lower percentiles.

Shall avoid any attempt to correlate green speed with hardness of surface or ball mark propensity, as judging the speed of greens shall apparently always lie beyond my capabilities.

BrianL99 02-20-2024 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2303123)


Shall avoid any attempt to correlate green speed with hardness of surface or ball mark propensity, as judging the speed of greens shall apparently always lie beyond my capabilities.

Smoothness, not hardness if the key to green speed.

mntlblok 02-20-2024 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2303187)
Smoothness, not hardness if the key to green speed.

Can sorta see how that would be - friction and all. Sadly, they all look to be of about the same "smoothness" to me. :-( Well, with the exception of those recent Tarpon Boil greens that brought to mind a particularly expansive case of geographic tongue. geographic tongue - Google Search

ladila389 02-20-2024 03:07 PM

The Villages Most Golf Courses in US!
 
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Originally Posted by Ron Hamilton (Post 2301900)
My wife and I played golf on Tarpon Boil Executive golf course yesterday and the course was horrific. EVERY GREEN were like the pictures attached. Whoever is in charge of making the decision if a course should be open, should be replaced. Better yet, make them waste 2 hrs of their day trying to putt on them, and then remove them. They should be ashamed. I was told from a fellow golfer playing that the sister course RedFish Run was just as bad. What's going on here in the villages? It's so sad.

It costs $$$ for Course Management!:grumpy it will be better when we get some snow!

jrandall 02-20-2024 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Hamilton (Post 2301900)
My wife and I played golf on Tarpon Boil Executive golf course yesterday and the course was horrific. EVERY GREEN were like the pictures attached. Whoever is in charge of making the decision if a course should be open, should be replaced. Better yet, make them waste 2 hrs of their day trying to putt on them, and then remove them. They should be ashamed. I was told from a fellow golfer playing that the sister course RedFish Run was just as bad. What's going on here in the villages? It's so sad.

We played Redfish Run last Tuesday and it was as bad as your pictures are showing. In my 35 years of playing golf I have never seen greens or should I say sand and some green spots as bad as this.

MX rider 02-21-2024 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2302747)
How? How soon would you expect improvement to "good".? My point is, short of total replacement, it will take time. Either way, the course should be closed.
For the starter to tell you "take two" is telling me, he advocate cheating. In my case, it would improve my game.

The greens were so bad, putting was a joke. That's why he said that. Course needs to be closed.

MX rider 02-21-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Camranhvet (Post 2302803)
Palmetto has been closed more than open the past year for the same reasons. The down time enabled them to correct the issue.

Obviously it worked. They need to close Tarpon and Redfish for sure. I've never seen greens so bare.

fdpaq0580 02-21-2024 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MX rider (Post 2303636)
The greens were so bad, putting was a joke. That's why he said that. Course needs to be closed.

"The grees were so bad" made me think you had the set up for a great punch line.
That's OK. I can't come up with a good punch line either.
(Sigh) πŸ˜”

mntlblok 02-21-2024 06:12 PM

Late night
 
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2303708)
"The grees were so bad" made me think you had the set up for a great punch line.
That's OK. I can't come up with a good punch line either.
(Sigh) πŸ˜”

I miss Johnny, too.

Bay Kid 02-22-2024 07:47 AM

That is pitiful. They should be closed.

Bogie Shooter 02-22-2024 09:12 AM

Executive Golf article in today's District Bulletin.....

https://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/...20240222001301

KCAlan 02-23-2024 06:38 AM

We played the course last week. A great track but your pictures tell the truth. It’s the worst course conditions I have ever seen in all the Villages. Someone should be fired for letting the course get into that shape. There is no common sense reason for it. Shut it down for 6 months to a year and fix it.

GaryKoca 02-23-2024 07:12 AM

Tarpon Boil and Bonita Pass are both terrible on the greens, and the third one in the group is probably also bad.

UpNorth 02-23-2024 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2303889)
Executive Golf article in today's District Bulletin.....

https://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/...20240222001301

So, I guess El Nino only picks certain courses in The Villages to destroy. And a few courses outside The Villages have 18 perfect greens. Poor excuse for somebody not doing their job well.


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