That guy that choked a homeless man to death. He choked him for 6 minutes. He could have restrained him and not choked him to death, but he killed him. The man killed did not touch anyone on the train. He was acting erratically. Penny is a murderer and had a slick lawyer who conned the jury and others. The average Fox News viewer is 69 years old.

That incident bothers me quite a bit .

Did you watch the video and how violent the perp was? He wasn't in a group of men, there were women and children present. Sideline experts planning on how others should suffer while they cheer on the perp and second guess the action, which wasn't intended to kill anyone, to quell the violence is evil. It shouldn't make anyone sleepless. Choose injury or murder of the innocent or accidental death to a perp who has a history of violence. No wonder this world is in the state it is.

Yup!!!

The 2nd amendment is a good thing. Adding different mind sets into it is a bad thing. ",,,," happens.

The Bible reads nothing about watching a man beat, harm or kill a child and ignoring it, just so you are aware. There were children there and I say build institutions again and house the mentally ill. That's where our money should be going. I believe it's easy to claim pity for the violent, raging criminal until one's own ox is being gored. How would you feel if that man was threatening your parents and you were no where around? Jordan Neely was a ‘frequent flyer’ in the criminal justice system. Jordan Neely had a history of violent attacks on straphangers in New York City before the disturbed man reportedly threatened passengers and Marine vet Daniel Penny put him in a chokehold. The 30-year-old vagrant had been arrested dozens of times – including most recently for vicious assaults on subway riders, court records show. In 2021, Neely socked a 67-year-old woman as she exited the Bowery station in the East Village in Lower Manhattan. The woman sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and "bruising, swelling and substantial pain to the back of her head" in the Nov. 12 attack, according to a criminal complaint. Neely pleaded guilty to felony assault Feb. 9 in exchange for a 15-month alternative-to-incarceration program, according to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. He was supposed to stay in a treatment facility and not do drugs. If he had completed the program, the felony assault would have been reduced to a misdemeanor. He skipped a compliance court date, left the facility. A warrant was issued for his arrest on Feb. 23. It wasn't immediately clear how long he spent in jail awaiting the resolution of the assault case. The troubled man, who has a history of mental illness and drug addiction, had a rough upbringing. His mother was strangled by her boyfriend in 2007, found stuffed in a suitcase in the Bronx. Court records show that as an adult Neely regularly lashed out at strangers on the subway and on the street. From January 2020 to August 2021, he was arrested for public lewdness, pulling down his pants and exposing himself to a female, misdemeanor assault for hitting a woman in the face, criminal contempt for violating a restraining order. All three cases were dismissed as part of his Feb. 9 plea deal. In June 2019, Neely attacked Filemon Castillo Baltazar, 68, on the platform of the W. 4th St. Station in Greenwich Village. "Out of nowhere, he punched me in the face," the victim explained. He'd seen Neely before looking for food in trash bins. One month earlier, he hit a man so hard in the face that he broke his nose on the platform of the Broadway-Lafayette station, same subway stop where he died four years later. For those 2019 cases, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault then sentenced to six months in jail. Outreach workers were so familiar with him that he was on the city's "Top 50" list – an internal roster kept by the Dept of Homeless Services for people living on the street who were in most need of help, according to a report. He cycled in and out of hospitals and jails for years. Neely's death unfolded May 1 about 2:30 p.m. after he boarded an F train screaming and threatening passengers, according to a freelance journalist who recorded the confrontation. Penny grabbed him from behind, dragged him to the ground and allegedly wrapped his arm around his neck until he lost consciousness and died. Penny hasn't been criminally charged. Penny's attorneys, Steven Raiser and Thomas Kenniff, argued that Penny had acted in self-defense to protect himself and other riders and could not have anticipated Neely's unfortunate death. I would argue that the system failed Neely, he didn't appear fit to walk the streets and should have been institutionalized long ago but due to bleeding hearts, we don't do that for the mentally ill any longer.

I'm a female, professionally trained licensed, concealed gun carrier.
Concealed Carry people shouldn't drink alcohol while armed.
None of my friends would and you can thank me for going to the course often, since 1997.

Lived a charmed life, but I have no intention whatsoever to be a victim. My husband and I are not senile, drunk, Villagers with loaded guns.
I wish you would speak to us, and must of my friends. Maybe you would re-think your commentary.

Thank You for your service to the community. I hope that you are correct that most of the concealed gun carriers in the Villages are a responsible as you and your husband and your friends are. But I have found the phrase "the crooked timber of humanity" to be very accurate.

If it
 

seems like california knows how to waste $$$

California is number one in waste
 

California is number one in wasting cash! Their law enforcement results are some of the least desirable stats in the nation. You are talking about the home of smash and dash gangs that clean out entire stores in a matter of less than a minute. Riots that rival all with looting and the largest homeless population on the planet. Yes, California can waste money.

If you think you have to worry about violent gun related car jackings here in the Villages, try LA out for the day.

California is a huge state with an incredible amount of diversity. And Los Angeles is a patchwork of many different towns and cities.


At another California location I was looking for a place closer to my employment in Belmont at Information Access Company. I was commuting from Pleasanton which was about a seventy minute drive one way. I found all these very cheap places to rent pretty much across the street from Stanford University. I drove there in early Fall of 1984 and quickly saw from the bullet holes in the houses and the graffiti that East Palo Alto was not a desired location. I did find a place in Belmont at the bottom of the hill. Information Access Company was at the top of the hill surrounded by very expensive homes.


East Palo Alto is now a very desired location. They cleaned it up by development.


In Rohnert Park we lived across the green from the Red Lion Inn where every so often you saw movie production trailers when they were making movies in that area of Northern California.


We moved to Florida in 1996 so my parents could see more of their grandkids.


I did drive through Los Angeles on the way to Florida by myself in 1996 and tried to take a shortcut and quickly found myself in a place that looked like they were selling drugs on the corners. I turned around and got back on the Freeway.

Wow this thread has gone all over the map… The Second Amendment gives everyone the right to defend themselves with a firearm. That said you are still responsible for your actions so you better know the Laws.

Read some History about that has happened to all disarmed citizens!

That is debatable. The 2nd Amendment reads-- Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute


All I get out of it is a well -regulated militia. The writers of the Constitution were very familiar with Roman and English history. They were probably very scared of wannabe Emperor and put in militia as a check on absolute control. The states would have their own armies in other words.


The tools of the pioneer were probably assumed to be protected as you could not survive without weapons of some kind. Practical weapons. Musket pistols and rifles, axes, knives, swords, etc.

Just to be argumentative....

The 2nd amendment says nothing about defending yourself with a firearm. It *does* mention a well-regulated militia but it would be a long stretch to call a bunch of Villagers with guns "well-regulated."

History about disarmed citizens? Read some daily newspapers about what happens with armed citizens.

You mean armed criminals and a very few law abiding armed citizens stories, yes.. that will bring clarity to the discussion. A list of all the Villagers with guns that have gone on to carelessly shoot other Villagers would assist with those claims. I would really like to see those stats and stories.

The Ox-Bow Incident is an excellent book on a mob and justice as is the movie of the same name. The book is by Walter Van Tilburg Clark - Wikipedia. The Ox-Bow Incident (novel) - Wikipedia

Just a reminder for the anti-gun crowd that thinks Villagers with guns are a danger:

Excellent resource on mobs and justice? It a NOVEL. Geez, most of us don't live in pretend land and aren't anxious to ever use guns but this isn't lala land and there are sick and evil people out there who want to harm others. The police don't shoot everyone they see and neither do those who CCW for their and other's safety. How often do you hear of a Villager shooting someone in all of it's years of existence?

Funny!

Guns don’t need to be registered here in FL, right?

What is the difference between a law abiding gun owner and a criminal? One bad decision.

What is the difference between a gun carrying criminal on drugs and an unarmed Villager? One bad decision! How quickly the current situation that occurred at Colony, which could have been a murder with the perp shooting into an occupied car, is swept under the rug.

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

Groin. :a20:

That's why they call it concealed, it's concealed ..

Depends not just on the concealer but also the handgun being concealed. North American Arms makes revolvers (.22, .22WMR) so small I can easily conceal them in the palm of my hand. Don't know how practical they'd be in a self-defense situation but if your life depended on it I suppose any gun is better than no gun. Ruger also makes some pretty concealable pistols: the Ruger LCP and LCP II ("Light Compact Pistol") which are both .380 caliber pistols that are pretty diminutive: the LCP II Lite-Rack weighs in at 11.2 oz. empty. Ruger also makes the LC9; a bit larger in 9mm but still pretty concealable.

A lot depends on the type of holster as well.