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JMintzer 02-10-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2185654)
In 6th grade the girls in our class all had to watch a movie about "Becoming a Woman." It was about menstruation. It explained what menstruation is, why women get periods, what pads are, what tampons are and how they're used, what a hymen is (since using a tampon if your hymen is intact can be painful and it's important to know WHY it hurts, if that happens, and that it's nothing to panic about). Why women get periods was a brief introduction to human sexuality. Not "sensuality" - this wasn't about emotions and love and passion and boyfriends. It was about the reproductive system and the basic mechanics (a man blah blah into the woman's blah blah and the sperm travels up to fertilize the egg).

Using blah blah so as to not trigger the porn filters.

Mostly we - as sixth-grade girls - said "ewwwwwww" because most of us had just recently discovered boys as something more than "those smelly creatures who put worms in your gym shoes." We weren't quite sure what yet - but we got the idea that there was something there.

Most parents were grateful for this movie, because most parents didn't want to have "the talk" with their kids. Most parents weren't even convinced it'd be a good idea to let on to their adult children that they were the result of mommy and daddy having sex, at all. I couldn't even bring myself to admit that my parents were capable of having sex with each other until I was around 20. The very notion was just way too sordid. It's a shame, that there are still parents who loathe the idea of teaching their kids about something that is natural, healthy, and part of the cycle of life.

But that's another reason why it's so important to learn it in school. Otherwise - if not for school, they'll discover it on their own, as soon as their hormones start instructing them to.

And that is completely different than what I'm talking about...

Bogie Shooter 02-10-2023 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2185646)
What school boards are "rewriting or erasing history"? Certainly not FL...

Please cite your sources...

Correction, I meant to say state governments….here are a few.

In South Dakota, the governor recently introduced legislation prohibiting K-12 and colleges from teaching a litany of lessons on racial horrors, including the 1890 Wounded Knee Massacre of Lakota people by the U.S. Army.

State politicians in Alabama are expected to discuss a bill to stop colleges from teaching critical race theory. Thus, it would not allow teachers to take about why John Lewis was beaten during a voting rights march in 1965 or why knowing this part of Black history is important.

In Mississippi and Florida, legislators are considering bills that would ban history lessons if they will cause students discomfort, especially about their race.

The New Hampshire bill signed by its Republican governor in June 2021 prohibits “any doctrine or theory promoting a negative account or representation of the founding and history of the United States of America.”

Teaching Black History Month is especially fraught this year : NPR

JMintzer 02-10-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2185787)
Correction, I meant to say state governments….here are a few.

In South Dakota, the governor recently introduced legislation prohibiting K-12 and colleges from teaching a litany of lessons on racial horrors, including the 1890 Wounded Knee Massacre of Lakota people by the U.S. Army.

State politicians in Alabama are expected to discuss a bill to stop colleges from teaching critical race theory. Thus, it would not allow teachers to take about why John Lewis was beaten during a voting rights march in 1965 or why knowing this part of Black history is important.

In Mississippi and Florida, legislators are considering bills that would ban history lessons if they will cause students discomfort, especially about their race.

The New Hampshire bill signed by its Republican governor in June 2021 prohibits “any doctrine or theory promoting a negative account or representation of the founding and history of the United States of America.”

Teaching Black History Month is especially fraught this year : NPR

Not teaching "Critical Race Theory" should have nothing to do with teaching about John Lewis... Completely separate issues...

And I'd like to see links to those other claims, as the synopsis given could be complete BS...


P.S. I just checked on the SD claim. Just as I thought... BS...

"As Noem pitched the bill in the Legislature, she insisted it would not water down historical facts like the Wounded Knee Massacre...."

Bogie Shooter 02-10-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2185801)
Not teaching "Critical Race Theory" should have nothing to do with teaching about John Lewis... Completely separate issues...

And I'd like to see links to those other claims, as the synopsis given could be complete BS...


P.S. I just checked on the SD claim. Just as I thought... BS...

"As Noem pitched the bill in the Legislature, she insisted it would not water down historical facts like the Wounded Knee Massacre...."

Seems everything is BS….. unless it’s posted by you.

As an aside, are you feeling well? You only had 20 posts yesterday……….

JMintzer 02-10-2023 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2185866)
Seems everything is BS….. unless it’s posted by you.

As an aside, are you feeling well? You only had 20 posts yesterday……….

Said the guy with over 17K posts...

At least I back up what I say...

JMintzer 02-10-2023 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2185866)
Seems everything is BS….. unless it’s posted by you.

As an aside, are you feeling well? You only had 20 posts yesterday……….

I noticed you didn't refute what I say... You just posted a lame attempt to insult me...

Oh, dear.. that's 2 more posts...

Pairadocs 02-10-2023 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Babubhat (Post 2184886)
Pay them professional wages. Not complicated

It's a start but, as a retired public school administrator (in 3 different and diverse states, one district with especially high salary schedule) I can tell you, money does NOT buy you the most dedicated, GENUINE, or talented teachers.

Caymus 02-10-2023 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2185608)
I just finished reading Chapter 1003 section 42 of the 2022 Florida General Statutes. I came to this little ditty, that proves to me the legislators are barely literate themselves:



Does anyone here know the error, boys and girls? Answer: "awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence" as (both) the expected standard AND ALSO the consequences of teenage pregnancy. Reverse that:

The expected standard, which is also the consequence of teenage pregnancy, is equal to the awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence.

Translation for those watching at home:

The wording of this statute implies that a child who is taught to be aware of the benefits of sexual abstinence, will experience both the expected standard and teenage pregnancy, which is a consequence of that awareness.

I have zero faith in the educational system of Florida, to teach children anything meaningful. By 8th grade most of them are only as literate as 6th graders in more advanced states, but are pushed through with lower standards. By graduation, most of them aren't fit for much more than community college.

The ones who do end up going to college, go out of state, and don't come back.

Looks like Baltimore is doing well. I assume Maryland is an "advanced" state.

23 Baltimore schools have zero students proficient in math, per state test results | WBFF

jimbomaybe 02-11-2023 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mikempp (Post 2185348)
Absolutely not, we don’t need indoctrination. Your welcome to do that to your kids not someone else’s.

You are so right!

"Originally Posted by bp243 View Post
Let teachers do their job which they’ve been trained to do. Stop the state control of what they teach and what students are allowed to discuss regarding the history of our country."
So parents should not interfere with independent, quasi governmental groups, independent of the government, instructing your children as to what is not only factual but relevant. There are large bodies of debatable facts on just about any subject. I pick and choose what facts are relevant to teach and discuss and moderate that discussion, you use different facts as relevant and it is obvious (to me) wrong headed, misguided and by such use of facts deceitful, perhaps hate speech. I don't know how to characterize the idea that parents should be out of the loop of what their children are taught. It has been my experience that public education is more apt to teach what to think rather than how to think, critical thinking not encouraged


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