Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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I certainly wish you had called Faldo , Ferritiy, Finch, Kostis,and the first rules official so they could have stopped him from grounding his club......
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Tried. Their lines were busy.
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I don't know that an "official" was there and didn't clear the bunker of fans. There was a marshal or two (generally a volunteer whose job is mostly crowd control at a PGA tournament), but if there was an "official", I didn't hear the announcers mention it. The only official I saw was the rules chairman who met DJ as he left the 18th green. Marshals are not there to monitor or enforce the rules of golf.
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Are you really telling me the PGA official at the scene does not enforce bunker rules unless the player asks him to? |
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What I'm saying is that there was a marshal or two at the scene, but no rules official. At least I didn't see one, and the announcers didn't mention one being there. The rules official made his ruling in the trailer after reviewing the tape with the offender. And, not to beat a dead horse, but the PGA rules govern the game of golf by professional golfers - not the rules of spectating. Good luck at the Masters - if you step into a bunker there, I have a feeling you'll quickly find yourself standing out Magnolia Drive with a court appearance in your future.
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There was a clear exception to what the players expect, it was published, posted, handed out, etc. (What they expect is no one in bunkers, raked sand, etc. What they were told is that people would be in bunkers, there would be footprints, heel prints, and tire tracks. These bunkers were outside the ropes. Sorry, but I doubt you'll find that exception at the Masters.
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I feel bad for DJ (and after his Sunday at the US Open no less), but he and his caddy should have been aware of this rule. This rule was very different than most tournaments. This rule was so different that the players should have been suspicious of any sandy area and ASKED an official if they were unsure. That said, IMO the USGA should have made these "out of play bunkers" waste areas; but since they did not I see no other way they could have ruled here..... PS. Sorry for my part in hijacking the thread. Last edited by ajbrown; 08-16-2010 at 07:56 PM. |
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Remember, the officials did not look at the replay to determine whether the area in question was a bunker. They looked at it to make sure DJ grounded his club. The bunker was fuzzy. The local rule was clear. Oh yes, this was not subject of this thread, was it? Me sorry 2. Last edited by Pturner; 08-16-2010 at 08:25 PM. Reason: typo |
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BTW, I have nothing against Dustin Johnson. I'd love to see him win some tournaments.
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He stepped back the first time because there was a sliver of sunlight coming through the crowd on his ball. He asked that someone step in the opening and block the sunlight which the caddy did.
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Some finer points:
Rules officials can not step in to make a call like "Hey Dustin, heads up, that's a bunker". They can only rule when they see an infraction or are asked about a situation. There was indeed a rules official with every group. In fact the rules official with DJ's group said "Is there something I can do for you Dustin?" DJ responded "Yes, please help clear the path for the shot". Iaudit is correct about the first time he stepped in. I re watched it many times on my DVR. At first I also felt he knew he did something wrong but he was concerned with the sliver of light. Tom Rinalidi (of Sports Illustrated) reported on the locker room at the time. He indicated that at least two finished players, watching on the television said "Oh, Oh, I don't think he knows that's a bunker!". So it wasn't something that no one knew about. In 2004 when the PGA was last played there the bunkers outside the ropes were played as waste bunkers where you could ground your club. And there was some controversy with Stuart Appleby in a real bunker and assessed a 4 stroke penalty for moving a loose impediment and grounding his club. For this reason they decided to make the rule simple and rule that ALL bunkers on the property were in play. The call wasn't made long after the play at 18. In fact the rules official on the side of 18 was just waiting for DJ to finish to ask him if he knew that he had incurred a 2 stroke penalty. There was no need to go back to the spot of the foul. DJ knew that he grounded his club (twice in fact). His only chance was to rule that it wasn't a bunker since the local rule was already in place about ALL bunkers being in play. Among golfers this isn't a controversy or even a rules question while they do feel badly for DJ. But they want that course to be marked differently next time. NOW do I think they need to clarify this for this course when the bring back the PGA and also the Ryder cup in the near future? Yes. Anything inside the ropes is a bunker. Outside the ropes are waste bunkers. And mark any questionable ones with blue dye (they actually did this for some of the bunkers this week). Last edited by Russ_Boston; 08-17-2010 at 05:58 AM. |
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Sevvy once said that the US Ryder Cup team comprised eleven gentlemen and Paul Azinger
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the one's i dislike & how about the one's i like
#1 is #1 (for now)....and thats Tiger.....egotistical, arrogant, crude, poor role model, and i won't go into his personal life, because thats none of my or anyone else's business
#2 is Ian Poulter....egotistical, arrogant, constant complainer #3 is VJ....has absolutely "0" personality (not his fault i guess)....no appreciation/caring for fans (that pay a lot of his winnings)...just totally devoid of emotion Now....to get off the negative...the PGA tour players i like: #1 Phil "the thrill" Mickelson....great golfer....great short game....the most personable guy on tour....good family man, humble, always a positive attitude during interviews, good to/appreciates the fans, extremely fun to watch (even when he is playing poorly), with some of his creative shots, the most exciting golfer to watch....what more can you say #2 Fred Couples....great golfer, loves the fans, always positive attitude #3 Anthony Kim....personable, loves the fans, humble, needs to focus on his game after he recovers from his surgery and he can be really great
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Actually that's not exactly correct Fumar - Maybe the CBS guys didn't know it but on the PGA network coverage on XM the hole reporter, Brian Katrek, said something like "he's landed up here near the fans in a bunker but has a clean lie". Rich Beem, also working for XM, then discussed how being in the bunker will affect his chance of getting on the green. Or something like that.
I was listening to the XM broadcast today and they say there is audio somewhere so perhaps you could find it, I couldn't locate it. Also the CBS crew did mention that they had a pre-production meeting and were notified that this type of situation existed. So if they knew the players SHOULD have. Still I think they should tweak a little prior to the next major there. |
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