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Probably the best comparison to what we have here may be the condition of Torrey Pines for the Open and for the regular tour event compared to the conditions the rest of the time as a municipal course with a lot of play. There is no comparison. It doesn't look like the same course. It's clear that we cannot reach common ground in this discussion. I hope you enjoy your time here on and off the golf course. |
i will enjoy my time both off and on the golf courses - mostly off the couses in TV - I will continue to knock the course conditions in TV until things change. What i gather from all of the experts is that the pros would love to come and play here in tv where the fairways are void of grass and hard as rock - so now they can get spin on the ball. you will need spin to stop you ball when it hits the rock hard green. i also gather that maybe the people from scotland or england would love to come and play also, as that is the way golf was meant to be played. i used to play tennis with a wooden racket and ski with 7 foot skis, but times change ---- i have not seen any pros practicing on our courses --- should be a great play to practice. i bow to the experts - so have a good time :bigbow:
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One concern with that is that we have no investment in the championship courses. They were not promised to us as the execs were. They are privately owned. Therefore, they have no obligation to form such a group, but there is no harm in trying. But the focus has to be on what WE (residents, golf administration, and ownership) can do to improve it. So, my point is that abandoning TV courses is certainly your prerogative. But it is also certain to result in no improvement. Even if you multiply yourself by 100 or 200 or more, the loss of play you represent will go completely unnoticed. Saying "Fix it!" and walking away won't do it. |
I agree. I think we need to bombard the golf adminstration people with phone calls, letters, etc., as well as letters to the Daily Sun. Keep that wheel squeaking or nothing will get done. And it doesn't hurt to keep up the comments and posts on TOTV. When potential buyers see the negative posts, and word gets back to the real estate salespeople and upwards to the Morses, it may help things along as well. Here is an email address to start with - thevillagesgolfdivision@gmail.com and an address and phone number:
Country Club Administration 352-753-3396 1000 Main St. Suite 248 32159 As MikeOD said, one person making a phone call now and then isn't going to cut it. Hundreds of phone calls and emails are going to get someone's attention. |
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I worked for a large corporation. It was so large that they had an internal market so they did not need to go outside to look for cnadidates to fill jobs.
The Villages has an internal market, residents, plenty of them who play golf. Residents can vote with their feet. Apparnetly the vast majority are satisfied. My wife just took up golf. I took her to Baseline. She made comment that the rough at Baseline was better than the fairways in The Villages. This from a newbie |
Rubicon,you hit the nail on the head. The Villages has a captive audience and I think an audience that for the most part doesn't care about the conditions because many know nothing else.
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I agree that the course conditions are not good. I play both executive and championship courses and neither are in good shape. The tee boxes are so hard you cannot hardly put a tee in the ground and the fairways are like the cart path. I love living here but hope there will be changes in the way the courses are taken care of. I know we are suppose to get over 50 inches of rain a year and that we have had a lack of rain which would help so much. I am wondering if they are using all the water up on the new courses as they are being watered almost everyday and there may be some restrictions on how much water maybe used for golf courses. A few years back I gave up golf for a while do to the conditions at that time as well. I maybe getting back to that feeling soon.
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My complaints have mainly been with the championship courses. I have found the Executive courses to be in better shape, generally, than they used to be. Perhaps because of the resident committees. And the Executive golf is free, so I wouldn't expect the conditions for free golf to be as good as golf courses where you pay to play. Sadly, that is not the case. I played Southern Star yesterday, and with the exceptions of a few bad greens, the course was in better shape than Cane Garden was last week.
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Cane Garden has been bad for almost 2 years. You would think that those responsible would try something else. But they just keep doing the same old stuff and Cane,a great layout,continues to suffer. We need the golf administrators to enter the 21st century. What are they afraid of?
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They get a temporary increase in the allocation for a newly sprigged golf course. I think it's only for 30 days or so. They still have to pay extra for the water, but won't get fined for exceeding the allocation. So they don't need to steal water from the other courses for the ones in construction. |
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About a mile east of Brownwood there is a country course named Continential. For a little over $17 (tax ) you will find a 18 hole course once frequented by Micky Mantle (his club was stuck in a tree off the 18th hole) the day we were there the main broke and part of the fairway was roped off . The people couldn't have been more accommodating or apologetic. The Pro drove out personally to give us a rain check. so 36 holes for 17 dollars is not too shabby. |
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Getting things improved here is VERY, VERY, Very, very, very, hard to do. Because very few things need improving. Now if "THEY" could teach me to hit a one iron as well as I do my six, you would have my attention. If "they" could make my paints capture the beauty of Shrandell's photographs, I would listen. If "they" were someone ANY of us have met we could thank them in person for continuing to improve this place as they go along. After all, the overwhelming percentage of all of The Villages was NOT here just 12 years ago. I think "they" do very well trying to please us all. Not that things can't be improved, but not much comes to my mind right now. Our courses here are used and abused by a lot of rookie golfers and the water allowed to maintain the courses is not unlimited as it was on our courses in Ohio. We also have a lot of carts with handicapped stickers allowed to run up near the greens and that is necessary but not as frequently seen as in other areas. It also is much, much, much, less expensive, and that in itself is very nice...and there is just not ONE course to cuss on. We can spoil our good walk on 12 Championship and 30? executive courses. Sand your divots and rake the traps. Gracie, who LOVES it here |
Its amazing one day people slam the villages for closing TDS and The Oaks to replace the greens and to do work. The next day they slam the villages for poor conditions. AND yes the cost is less off campus, BUT it is not always better. I played Harbor Hills 3 weeks ago, AWFUL! The staff were overly nice. but the course was VERY VERY bad. We, the golfers here need to understand that are conditions are caused by several factors. Lack of water and the amount of play. We complain when the courses are closed for maintenance or complain when they aerate the fairways and green. We can not have it both ways. Also the prices and conditions are SOMETIMES better off campus because they do not get the amount of play the Village’s courses get. There were over 3 million rounds of golf played in the Villages last year. And the last time I checked the Twilght golf deal after 5 is better then anywhere esle. I am not saying it is perfect here or anyone should not state the obvious when the conditions are not up to stantards But, ranting and raving is not the way, GET on the review committes, become active.
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I have played a few courses here and about in my 40 some years of golfing. All I can say is the price is right and it is pretty amazing and wonderful to take your golf cart to all these halfway nice courses as you grow older and your game decays and it is nice to keep your greenbacks in the bank too for when they might need to take care of you 'round the clock. It isn't golf as many of us knew it and it isn't like back home in many of the clubs some of us belonged to where they would upgrade the course and dock you thousands of dollars on top of the thousand dollar a month membership fee and the monthly restaurant charge even if you didn't eat and the cart fee and and playing with the same group all of the time, some of whom were unbearable. This was after some folks paid upwards of 50K to join, after being checked out thoroughly. Where everyone you knew also knew your handicap and where there was a dandy locker room and the clubs were on the cart waiting when you drove up... BUT....we still can go off campus and sojourn out to Pebble Beach, it too is a municipal course and we can pay them close to 600 bucks to play a round. The deer and the wind and the vistas are magnificent, the greens are like velvet and the rough is to be avoided and the fairways look like top grade Bigelow carpet. It is surrounded by some wonderful homes on 17 mile drive that are "point" houses and some of them are very not kept up but although windy there in Carmel it isn't freezing cold wind like at St. Andrews and well you know.... What do I know? I am told I am a shill for the developers. I think I'm mad. |
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Today's Villages Voice had some figures that I find interesting. Last year there were 836,218 rounds of golf played on the championship courses. So, we are approaching 90,000 rounds on each course. ( I adjusted for Palmer since it gets significantly less play due to the higher fees I imagine. Could also be a factor in the condition as well.)
So, how does that volume compare to the volume on some of these outside courses people are promoting? |
Also, as far as mowing the fairways and rough, since they use dwarf bentgrass, probably only the weeds would get taller.
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:confused:Let's see now: we've had inadequate rainfall but one of the most advanced irrigation systems able to transfer water to and from retention ponds to compensate but still have increasing poor course conditions. Yesterday, Bonifay became cart path only late in the afternoon because of standing water on many parts of the course. It couldn't handle a half-inch of rain in a 2-hour period. AMAZING!:shrug:
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Now guess what the average number of rounds played on TV courses during those years did. Yup, it grew. So more rounds, more carts driving down the fairways, and less rain. Great for grass growing, NOT. Disclaimer: I am not now, nor have ever been, an employee of golf administration or any of the maintenance contractors at TV. |
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The rest of your post regarding course construction is so ludicrous it destroys any credence your argument may otherwise possess. And it must be nice to be psychic and know in advance how course renovation will turn out. What are the numbers for the next Powerball? :D |
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I thought the golf powers had a real good opportunity to try the newer grasses at Tieera Del Sol or the next new 27 hole complex. It seems all agree its all about the water. If there are new strains of grasses that use far less water why not use them? I don't get it. More people,more carts,more rounds, less water but lets use the same grasses and methods anyhow. What sense does that make?
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