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gomoho 06-06-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by glencus (Post 687988)
The ground is so dry because they build the courses on the cheap. They don't build greens, they just flatten the dirt. And contrary to your concept, these course, those that were here years ago, were just as bad. How do you like conditions at the Oaks, which will probably be no better after the surgical repairs they are now touting. TDS, real soft and will be just as "soft" after a summer vacation. Oh, as for the advanced irrigation system, what good is it if you don't put enough water on the courses. Been here long enough to know that nothing is going to change. Why spend money when residents are content with poor conditions. Will keep playing here as this is where I've made my bed. Don't have to like it however.

Wow - I wouldn't want to spend my retirement thinking "I've made my bed, not I have to lie in it". Houses sell like hotcakes here - .

waynet 06-06-2013 08:46 PM

I thought the golf powers had a real good opportunity to try the newer grasses at Tieera Del Sol or the next new 27 hole complex. It seems all agree its all about the water. If there are new strains of grasses that use far less water why not use them? I don't get it. More people,more carts,more rounds, less water but lets use the same grasses and methods anyhow. What sense does that make?

glencus 06-07-2013 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 688048)
Please refer to my post on the rainfall deficit over the last 8 years.

The rest of your post regarding course construction is so ludicrous it destroys any credence your argument may otherwise possess.

And it must be nice to be psychic and know in advance how course renovation will turn out. What are the numbers for the next Powerball? :D

Oh, so the lack of rainfall at all very well conditioned courses up and down the road outside TV is also the reason they are maintained in much better condition?

glencus 06-07-2013 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 688050)
Wow - I wouldn't want to spend my retirement thinking "I've made my bed, not I have to lie in it". Houses sell like hotcakes here - .

Very astute comment. Right on the subject of golf course conditions.

mickey100 06-07-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glencus (Post 688201)
Very astute comment. Right on the subject of golf course conditions.

I agree. I am really sick of that type of comment, not just in this thread, but others as well.

mickey100 06-07-2013 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 687333)
The climate up north is different and if those courses had the traffic these courses have and the water restrictions, well things would be different. Different grass, different heat, different traffic. The prices here are reasonable. Not cheap and not expensive and I think that having all of these choices within a golf cart ride means something. The game of golf is played against one's best game and one does not have to have a course in perfect condition to enjoy it. Things could always be better and they also could be one h*** of a lot worse too.

You have no idea what the course were up north that I played nor the traffic they experienced. There have been drought conditions up north as well as down south. We can play golf at areas surrounding The Villages for the same $$ or less, and have better conditions. And as far as conditions being a lot worse, have you played Cane Garden in the past few weeks? It is nice to be able to bring our own golf carts - but we PAY for that in maintenance, price of electric or gas fuel, and wear and tear on the carts. You have to take that into consideration when calculating total golf costs.

On the plus side, I think there has been progress made on the condition of the Executive courses. They really do seem better overall than they used to be a few years ago. I'd love to see a resident's committee review or have input on championship course conditions. And, IMHO, there needs to be better communication regarding conditions. The blurb on golfthevillages.com about Mallory and Glenview was helpful. It would have been nice if they posted something similar about Tierra, for example, to explain why the course was being closed and exactly what improvements they were making.

gomoho 06-07-2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by glencus (Post 688201)
Very astute comment. Right on the subject of golf course conditions.

Sorry, but it's your bed not mine and I've got no complaints.

senior citizen 06-07-2013 06:14 AM

The Nancy Lopez course was a beautiful emerald green when we were there........
Everything , including golf courses looked green that October and November......
That was in Marion County, in the northwest quadrant of The Villages.
The quiet, non busy area.....no crowds at the supermarket, etc.

Didn't realize Florida has had such a draught thereafter?

I've seen really brown looking golf courses when looking at other 55+ retirement communities both directly above TV and directly below TV......

Also, besides the brown looking golf courses, noticed also that they are not really close to major shopping (such as food, various products, services, etc.); whereas TV does have so many needed services close by.

Russ_Boston 06-07-2013 07:36 AM

Mike,

Where did you get these numbers? I was renting a home on Bailey Trail in May of 2009. We had over 10 inches of rain in 4 days with lots of flooded areas and all the golf course sprinklers had to be turned on 24/7 for a couple of days. So I at least know that the May 2009 total you posted is incorrect. Are these numbers your own?

I don't reject your premise but remember that the local area has hundreds of golf courses and we all receive about the same rainfall.

dillywho 06-07-2013 08:11 AM

Another Thought
 
Could it be that "other" courses have only one (1) course to maintain instead of the many that are here? Not all maintenance crews are the same, either. Most of them are paid very well and are well trained at others. Don't know about here. The CC's back home were also closed down one day a week, too.

These courses are also played year-round, not just the summer months. That could also make a significant difference.

Dunno. Just thinking.:mornincoffee:

Mikeod 06-07-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 688288)
Mike,

Where did you get these numbers? I was renting a home on Bailey Trail in May of 2009. We had over 10 inches of rain in 4 days with lots of flooded areas and all the golf course sprinklers had to be turned on 24/7 for a couple of days. So I at least know that the May 2009 total you posted is incorrect. Are these numbers your own?

I don't reject your premise but remember that the local area has hundreds of golf courses and we all receive about the same rainfall.

Russ,
That's true. Was that TS Fay? I got the figures from a search for historic weather data for TV. The site for the actual rainfall was weather-warehouse dot com. The source for the average rainfall per month was from weather dot com I believe.

Makes me wonder if a decimal point was misplaced on the site. I have rechecked the site and I transposed the figures correctly to my spreadsheet.

Carl Loper at WVLG made the same comment about all of TV receiving about the same rainfall, but there are times when it comes down in buckets in Spanish Springs and the sun is shining at Lake Sumter. But I guess it all evens out.

Thanks.

djl8412 06-07-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by glencus (Post 688201)
Very astute comment. Right on the subject of golf course conditions.

:wave: Thank you! So many other posts seem to be ignoring that and other crucial points. So many nearby courses have better rates and better conditions which is why we golf off base in winter months. Water management for the courses in TV is incompetent. No matter how many times people defend the system of running irrigation systems around the clock to prevent flooding in times of heavy rainfall it still adds up to nonsense. Three weeks after heavy rain and constant irrigation discharge you'll see how low the ponds are and needed irrigation has to be cut back. We've seen courses get in great shape for a special event. After the event it's back to deteriorating conditions. The Palmer course along Buena Vista is well maintained for the sake of visibility by those considering a move here. If many choose to accept and defend substandard conditions that's fine with me. I choose to seek management that is sincere in making conditions better.:wave:

waynet 06-07-2013 06:37 PM

djl,I couldn't agree more. It just seems that the powers to be don't care. Excuse after excuse.

graciegirl 06-07-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 688207)
You have no idea what the course were up north that I played nor the traffic they experienced. There have been drought conditions up north as well as down south. We can play golf at areas surrounding The Villages for the same $$ or less, and have better conditions. And as far as conditions being a lot worse, have you played Cane Garden in the past few weeks? It is nice to be able to bring our own golf carts - but we PAY for that in maintenance, price of electric or gas fuel, and wear and tear on the carts. You have to take that into consideration when calculating total golf costs.

On the plus side, I think there has been progress made on the condition of the Executive courses. They really do seem better overall than they used to be a few years ago. I'd love to see a resident's committee review or have input on championship course conditions. And, IMHO, there needs to be better communication regarding conditions. The blurb on golfthevillages.com about Mallory and Glenview was helpful. It would have been nice if they posted something similar about Tierra, for example, to explain why the course was being closed and exactly what improvements they were making.

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nitehawk 06-08-2013 07:29 AM

New --- excuse -- too much rain in too short a time ---


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