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swooner 07-19-2020 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kwachowski (Post 1805332)
I am a starter on an executive course and I see people walking perfectly to the starter shack. I realize there are some people who need a RA but believe me there are over 50% that don't The executive courses are the resident courses and more RA people are not observing the rules and this will affect our courses. If you need one fine, but if you don't then do not use one. I see people riding in carts of people who have a RA and the second golfer also is in the cart while using the RA. The RA is for the individual person who got the RA from their doctor.

Should the passenger jump out of the cart before it stops 15' from the green?

donassaid 07-19-2020 01:30 PM

Too many people are abusing this "privilege" by driving up to the very edge of greens and greenside bunkers. 30' is a reasonable accomodation.

ohiosbestus 07-21-2020 07:09 AM

Believe me most of the damage around the greens are due to golf course employees and maintenance people, not by the golfers. I for one have less than half of my lungs left plus 3 heart procedures done and pay some ridiculous fee to play with a golfing group. I tried playing without a tag the first year I played , but trying to keep up with the foursome in my group my heart was racing because my lungs were trying to get oxygen to support my body. Here is the bottom line if the current RA tag holders cant get the new stickers, expect waiting to hit your shots to the green a lot longer and it will definitely slow up play on all the courses, so eventually it will create chaos to all golfers. The RA tag holders know best their health not the dmv. To the many golfers who have complained about this, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR .

JoMar 07-21-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiosbestus (Post 1806602)
Believe me most of the damage around the greens are due to golf course employees and maintenance people, not by the golfers. I for one have less than half of my lungs left plus 3 heart procedures done and pay some ridiculous fee to play with a golfing group. I tried playing without a tag the first year I played , but trying to keep up with the foursome in my group my heart was racing because my lungs were trying to get oxygen to support my body. Here is the bottom line if the current RA tag holders cant get the new stickers, expect waiting to hit your shots to the green a lot longer and it will definitely slow up play on all the courses, so eventually it will create chaos to all golfers. The RA tag holders know best their health not the dmv. To the many golfers who have complained about this, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR .

Actually the DMV has nothing to do with it.....your doctor makes the request, they just process the paperwork. I'm sure, like everything else here, there are abuses and less then ethical doctors but understanding the process would help eliminate blaming an organization (DMV) for abuse.

swooner 07-21-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1806733)
Actually the DMV has nothing to do with it.....your doctor makes the request, they just process the paperwork. I'm sure, like everything else here, there are abuses and less then ethical doctors but understanding the process would help eliminate blaming an organization (DMV) for abuse.

That's exactly how the current system works. Does anyone believe the Drs. give a damn which system they are signing papers for that they are charging between $25 and $40 to sign.. Nothing will change.

wisbad1 07-21-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1803664)
I thought that was always the requirement? How else were they getting RA's?

golf bosses wouldn't give me RA till I showed them handicap parking card. not anything new

golfing eagles 07-21-2020 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1803638)
Have heard from several reliable sources that big changes are coming for the Reasonable Accommodation process on Championship Golf Courses. I suppose this could be a rumor but the sources I have heard this from are internal golf personnel who have been given this information at employee meetings. Here's the scoop:

Effective 1/1/21 current RA system is fazed out. In order to get similar privileges it will be necessary to get a Florida Handicap Placard with all that entails. No longer is it permissible to get walking relief on the golf course unless you are officially handicapped in accordance with State DMV rules. Despite the fact that I am physically unable to walk from Cart paths to Greens for 18 holes in the blistering sun I am still capable of walking from a non handicap space at a Publix parking lot to go to the front entrance. Therefore, I must be handicapped as defined by Florida DMV rules in order to drive within 15 feet of a putting surface (30 under the proposed rules). Basically this means I will have to either get my Dr. to falsify the degree of my walking disability to meet DMV Standards or quit playing golf in the friendly confines of TV. Additionally, I understand that restriction for proximity to greens and tees under the new system will be less advantages than at present.

Interested if anyone can shed further light on this subject.

If you read the whole thing, the part I like is that you shouldn't park in front of a green. There is nothing worse, especially when play is slow, than having someone with a tag parked 15 feet right in front of a green, then walk to his cart while his playing companions are already gone, then screw around in his bag for 2-3 minutes, then mark his score. Everyone who does that should go back to good golf school:1rotfl:

JoMar 07-21-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1806779)
That's exactly how the current system works. Does anyone believe the Drs. give a damn which system they are signing papers for that they are charging between $25 and $40 to sign.. Nothing will change.

So who are the doctors.....would be great to call them out, unless of course it's your doctor. Another example of making accusations, no data, and if that would happen why wouldn't you name names?

stujake 09-15-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DecaturFargo (Post 1804241)
I can't shed the new rules, but I believe they are starting August 1. I have happy to see the changes. I have seen many abuses. Driving way too close to greens; driving between sandtraps and greens, allowing the nonhandicapped person in the cart use the handicapped privileges by driving to their golf spot instead of walking to it. And, have seen RA's ignore directions by the Ambassador. Clearly, the powers at be have seen many, many abuses. At some point, people need to quit playing if they can't conform to the rules.

The changes you are referring to are for those holding RA privileges, they must park 30 ft. from the edge of the green instead of the prior 15 ft. The changes that eliminate the RA privileges in their entirety start on 1/1/21. On and after that date, the only way to regain those privileges is to have or be able to obtain a handicapped placard from the State of Florida; and one of the requirements in order to do so is to have a doctor fill out the State's form. One of those requirements is that the person is unable to walk 200 ft. without stopping to rest. Most doctors will no perjure themselves by filling out a form for someone that does not legally qualify for the handicap placard.

My wife's cardiologist just refused to file a form for her because on flat ground, she is able to walk 200 ft. without having to rest. The fact of the matter is that she has a real hard time navigating the hills on the courses due to a heart condition plus a hip replacement that was not perfect. She is physically unable to play even an Executive course from the cart paths and has refused to do so when rain has caused a cart path only restriction.

Originally, the RA privilege was provided to those people who would find it to be a real strain to play golf and enjoy the game without the RA privilege. One did not have to be physically handicapped, per the State's definition. In my opinion, removing the RA privileges will cause the pace of play to slow considerably as those who previously held an RA privilege will still play, but will just have to play slower. Also in my opinion, if the issues with driving too close to the greens or between the green and a bunker were enforced by the Ambassadors that found a violation, they should issue some type of citation using the golf ID number of the offender. After a predetermined number of citations were issued to a player, he would lose his golf privileges for a period of time; and if he was a repeat offender, monetary fines might also be able to be assessed. To me, that makes more sense than penalizing all who now have an RA privilege, but cannot qualify for a State handicap placard.

stujake 09-15-2020 03:40 PM

As of August 1, 2020, it now has to be parked 30 ft. clear of the green.

Dana1963 09-15-2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1803638)
Have heard from several reliable sources that big changes are coming for the Reasonable Accommodation process on Championship Golf Courses. I suppose this could be a rumor but the sources I have heard this from are internal golf personnel who have been given this information at employee meetings. Here's the scoop:

Effective 1/1/21 current RA system is fazed out. In order to get similar privileges it will be necessary to get a Florida Handicap Placard with all that entails. No longer is it permissible to get walking relief on the golf course unless you are officially handicapped in accordance with State DMV rules. Despite the fact that I am physically unable to walk from Cart paths to Greens for 18 holes in the blistering sun I am still capable of walking from a non handicap space at a Publix parking lot to go to the front entrance. Therefore, I must be handicapped as defined by Florida DMV rules in order to drive within 15 feet of a putting surface (30 under the proposed rules). Basically this means I will have to either get my Dr. to falsify the degree of my walking disability to meet DMV Standards or quit playing golf in the friendly confines of TV. Additionally, I understand that restriction for proximity to greens and tees under the new system will be less advantages than at present.

Interested if anyone can shed further light on this subject.

If you need Dr to falsify Handicap DMV then you are not Handicapped !


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