Unfortunately for the homeowner, yes!!:swear:

Here we go!
:popcorn:

Trespassing on another resident's property is always wrong. Whether it's to retrieve a golf ball or to walk your dog, it's wrong!

I Agree!
 

Like Barefoot says is so true. Tresspassing is Tresspassing Period! So why are other people making up excuses? To suit them is all I can think of. Its in the Villages Golf Guide Highlighted in Yellow to never retrieve a golf ball from the yard of a resident. Sounds like some of you should take the time out to read it and not assume what you can and cannot do. You are there to play on the golf course not bother and aggrivate the residents.

Once I accidently hit my tee shot into someone's yard. I saw where the ball was, did not pick it up and started to walk away. The property owner immediately yell at me to come back and pick up my ball. He said balls in his yard caused problems when cutting the grass and his dog ate them. He was not going to pick up after me, my ball my litter. So what should a person do? Pick up or not!
I thought I was doing the proper thing

Maybe when you close on a home on the golf course The Villages should supply a sign - please pick up after yourself or get the hell out of my yard!

the only thing worse than living on the golf course is NOT living on the golf course!

Update on the scorecard, total for thread:

Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...18 posts
Info/links/questions.................9 posts

and two new categories.....
Humor...................................5 posts
Dog poop...............................2 posts
(these topics were difficult to tell apart)

Now it's six for Humor, kitty.

I don't play golf, nor do I live on a golf course, but I'll weigh in on this one. You did do the right thing, Applepie, and don't let nasty people get you down. Explain you were following the golf rules and walk away. He must have known when he moved in with his dog and lawn mower that there were going to be golf balls in his yard! His problem, not yours.

And the survey says....

This thread has been very helpful in understanding the differing expectations we Villagers hold on the issue.
There has been no discussion of liability. I'm going to propose a highly improbable situation to provoke thought as I would like to understand the implications of our actions:

The pool guy leaves the lanai door open to bring in equipment, the dog gets out just as a golfer takes 3 steps onto the property to get his ball. The dog barks aggressively, the golfer holds his club defensively at the dog and steps backward, tripping over the curl of a water hose and hits his head on the new landscape stones. The golfer requires medical treatment for a concussion.

This thread has been entirely respectful and strong opinions given without slamming. Please continue....how do you view any issues of liability?
If a poster is credentialed in law it would help to know that.

We need a lawyer for this one. Wouldn't it be the same as the situation in which anyone comes onto your property and slips and falls, and you are liable? That's why we have liability insurance and umbrella policies.

I'm just guessing, though.

I am not a lawyer but I watched Marcus Welby once. He treated a lawyer.;)

Whether a golfer is liable if he breaks your window is probably yes if you can catch him. A decent person would own up to it. Whether you are liable while he is trespasses on your property and breaks his leg, yes if he gets one of those lawyers that are always advertising on TV. And that is a shame.

MY post is just one of the reasons some people dislike me intensely. I like to talk even if I don't know what I am talking about.

I hope nothing bad happens Kitty. Golf course views have their ups and downs to be sure.

But did you at least sleep at a Holiday Inn last night?

Uh, Gracie, Marcus Welby was a doctor not a lawyer.
Oops seen you corrected that, great save!

I think it's the pool guys fault - unless the dog pooped on the golf course while running loose.

Moral of the story is keep the pooch inside the house when the blundering pool guy is due to arrive.

The dog stayed in his own yard, contained by invisible fence.

There are hundreds of what reasonable people would say frivolous law suits filed everyday--- it is well known---they "clog" up our courts. On the other hand, there are obviously legitimate law suits where it is right and fair that the plaintiff be made whole. I have not heard of a lawsuit where a golfer came into an owner's yard, tripped over concrete curbing around some flowers, filed a lawsuit and the property owners found liable. Just hasn't happen. That said, the point I want to make is that nobody is "liable" until a court, judge/jury has determined (under law) that you were negligent and liable. IMHO you are more likely to received a lawsuit from somebody who is illegally trying to sell you "something" at your front door than a golfer---with poor golfing etiquette---- retrieving a golf ball from your back door. Fore!

:read:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/nyregion/23towns.html

Interesting NYT article "A Gold Mine for Lawsuits"
slip and fall lawsuits by the thousands...vs course owner.

I think I need an extra dose of koolaid today..thinking too much...

Oh no, another solicitor. He goes door to door offering to pick up stray golf balls...sheesh.

Here is what I do as an avid golfer and one who knows most of the rule book:

If I hit OB I leave it unless:

The house has a clear posted sign: "Please retrieve your ball if possible" or something like that. I would say about 5% of homes have some sign either Yay or Nay.

If the ball is just on the line where I can reach it without stepping on the property I will pick I up.

If the homeowner is visible (on the lanai for example) and I make eye contact I will usually ask "Do you want me to retrieve the ball". Most say "sure".

It's common sense people.

From that nyt article
"INDEED, the errant golf ball is probably the least of it these days, especially as state after state has adopted a similar standard that only an intentional shot at another golfer or one showing gross and reckless negligence is grounds for a successful lawsuit. "

So if you hit when the people infront of you aren't clear it is intentional or gross negligence but it you are just hitting a really bad shot and it hits someone in their yard your' ok but they are so out of luck.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the dogs in this thread! :D So of all these golf course property owners that have dogs (seen many that do) and WALK them on private property of owner's corner lots, sidewalk lots, mail stations, GOLF courses, public areas, and let them use it for their toilets, what is their "opinion" about that? Even IF they pick it up, that causes more damage with dog urine than walking on a lawn to retrieve a golf ball. The point is, they walked on someone's property too. Probably some complaining in this post walk their dogs on private property. Is there a double standard taking place here?
Sorry, just had to do it. ok, back to people thinking it's bad to walk on golf course lots. :popcorn:

::smiley:
You must not read TOTV often. NO ONE on TOTV allows their dogs on others' property.:thumbup:

Roaddog, I'd really like to know how for you personally, not just a general comment, but how dog potty issues violate your own personal space? I'm new and not wanting to offend anybody with my best friend. I'm going to post a dog urine thread, where your answers will be best appreciated.
I have some photos of dog urine spots to post.
Kitty

Oh please, I beseech you, no more dog urine threads. :boom:

It doesn't matter - Some (most?) dog owners think that as long as they pick up the debris, everything else if fair game. And a previous poster is correct - the same people that say "get off my lawn" when people look for balls are the same people who let Refus tinkle, poop and then tramp over the lawn to pick it up. They won't get it and the many threads on both subjects just proves it. Dogs should do their business on THEIR OWN lawn - nowhere else.

Let the dog owner flames begin.

And no I don't mean EVERY dog owner.

Russ, This is a thread about golf balls, so perhaps you could, or the moderator could help you, post a new thread in the appropriate place.

I think his post is related to the issue of trespassing on property. It is relevant to this thread.

flying golf balls goes with the territory
 

I like the idea of having a little sign put out for the golfers. Do people really trample on your flower beds? That sounds kinda rude. Just don't get hit by the balls.

I believe as much as the next guy that dog owners must be considerate and not impact other people's private property. But since there are plenty of places where it is generally considered acceptable and even appropriate for dogs to relieve themselves which are not on THEIR OWN lawn, I can't agree with this statement.

:agree: about trespassing, but it is in the golf forum. He has serious issues with dog owners who might pay attention if it were posted there.

Because they know their wrong and I have the nerve to point it out to them. And I was not the first one to bring up dog issues on this thread. If you read my posts you know that I have no issue or qualms about stating my position.

PS > just started a new thread on the pet forum.

You're right - I should have said "Don't pee, poop or walk on personal property that is not yours or the dog's".

My point is that the same people that somehow think it is ok for a dog to urinate or poop on my lawn (and personally I don't really care and let them do it), think that it is OK for people to bitch about coming onto their property to retrieve balls. You can not have it both ways - you just can't argue both sides at the same time.

Russ, How could anyone think they have a right to mess up someone's private property? But obviously some do. It puzzles me how you know that it is the same people let their dog go on your yard who fuss about stray balls?
Are you speaking of neighbors and people you know personally?
That kind of hypocrisy is arrogant. I don't know anybody like that,
yet...
Kitty

I think it's a good point as related to golf, as it was stated somewhere in this thread that people's dogs go out onto the golf course after hours, despite the fact that it is private property.

We looked at a pre-owned home on a golf course with a cart path behind it. When I asked if I could walk our dog on that path, the realtor gave me an emphatic no. Apparently some don''t adhere to this rule.

My wife and I play exec golf at sunset almost every night. Yes, many people do come out on the course for walks at that time. I have no issue as long as they are not in the way of getting hurt. But they are not supposed to do it as you mentioned.