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golfing eagles 11-04-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1140466)
My advice...Keep up the good work, DG!! :)

:agree: I'll second that

Polar Bear knows what he is talking about (usually):1rotfl: (Sorry, just had to do it)

buckscounty 11-04-2015 06:52 PM

I don't think so, they have no authority to do anything.

carolmaidstone 11-04-2015 08:29 PM

[QUOTE=fred53;1139509]that you're playing an executive course and you're right we are glorified water boys, but some of us are more proactive than others...still there are a limited number of things we can do to speed up groups like that.

Playing a local course today, one of the ambassadors stopped to offer water and I noted that he had taken this thread to heart. Obviously becoming more proactive- in his cart he was carrying an exceptionally large hammer.

mulligan 11-05-2015 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by buckscounty (Post 1140573)
I don't think so, they have no authority to do anything.

Absolutely 100% not true. I am an ambassador and I know better.

graciegirl 11-05-2015 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1140706)
Absolutely 100% not true. I am an ambassador and I know better.



Mulligan. I want to thank you again, for your patience and for remaining on the job here. I couldn't do what you are doing and I couldn't be a server here.


There are so many selfish and demanding seniors that I would quit in five minutes.


I have yet to meet an Ambassador on any of our golf courses here who wasn't helpful, very much on the job and every one of them knows golf well and are veteran golfers themselves. They are gentleman and ladies with very engaging personalities and groups I have been in have been reminded gently to speed it up. (I want everyone to know that slow play wasn't my fault)


Thank you Mulligan. Don't quit!!!!!! But I want to ask.... Are you allowed to eject people from the course? I never thought so...

TheVillageChicken 11-05-2015 09:56 AM

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Challenger 11-05-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1140436)
Slow play is mainly due to ,for lack of a better word, "inconsiderate" or "uneducated folks. You see as long as you are keeping up with the group in front of you things will be fine. Things that can help speed up play are ..leaving the greens when you're done...carry your clubs in your hand to the cart..don't put them away until you reach the next tee box. This is also the time you can mark your score card and discuss amongst your playing partners where you're going for dinner. Make sure you park your cart behind the green and walk off the green towards your cart. Parking your cart halfway between tee & green then going back for it after you finish the hole slows play considerably. Also as stated previously in this & many similar threads pick up after double par.:gc:

Yes-Yes_yes

mulligan 11-05-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1140769)
Mulligan. I want to thank you again, for your patience and for remaining on the job here. I couldn't do what you are doing and I couldn't be a server here.


There are so many selfish and demanding seniors that I would quit in five minutes.


I have yet to meet an Ambassador on any of our golf courses here who wasn't helpful, very much on the job and every one of them knows golf well and are veteran golfers themselves. They are gentleman and ladies with very engaging personalities and groups I have been in have been reminded gently to speed it up. (I want everyone to know that slow play wasn't my fault)


Thank you Mulligan. Don't quit!!!!!! But I want to ask.... Are you allowed to eject people from the course? I never thought so...

Thank you for your kind words Gracie. We are trained to assess a slow play situation, and do what we can to speed up play. We are advised to step away from confrontation, and call a manager. The management will back us up 100% if we have taken the proscribed steps to resolve the situation. That may include ejection from the course, and suspension of the offender's ID number depending on the severity of the situation. Ambassadors who feel they have been abused are encouraged to report such to management.

Edjkoz 11-05-2015 12:39 PM

I appreciate golfers who are considerate of others and keep the pace going

Bogie Shooter 11-05-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1140885)
Thank you for your kind words Gracie. We are trained to assess a slow play situation, and do what we can to speed up play. We are advised to step away from confrontation, and call a manager. The management will back us up 100% if we have taken the proscribed steps to resolve the situation. That may include ejection from the course, and suspension of the offender's ID number depending on the severity of the situation. Ambassadors who feel they have been abused are encouraged to report such to management.

Thank you!
Too often folks forget that most of you are our neighbors!!

Polar Bear 11-05-2015 02:01 PM

Just one more 'thanks!!' to the Ambassadors. :)

tomwed 11-05-2015 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1140885)
Thank you for your kind words Gracie. We are trained to assess a slow play situation, and do what we can to speed up play. We are advised to step away from confrontation, and call a manager. The management will back us up 100% if we have taken the proscribed steps to resolve the situation. That may include ejection from the course, and suspension of the offender's ID number depending on the severity of the situation. Ambassadors who feel they have been abused are encouraged to report such to management.

off topic
What is the fine for going in a restricted area, a conservation area? The proper name escapes me.
There are warnings but the posted warnings I've seen seem like a slap on the wrist.

Polar Bear 11-05-2015 04:19 PM

Violation/penalties can vary with each individual permit.

Rbgold 11-05-2015 05:37 PM

It's a shame that all residents who wish to golf don't take the Good Golf session offered by The Villages, although I am sure that many believe that Ready Golf doesn't apply to them. Case in Point: I play in Friday league on the executive courses. A few weeks ago, as our group was heading out, the ambassador stopped us and said that he hoped we had a lot to talk about that day. We looked at him quizzically, and he told us that there were 8 foursomes ahead of us (virtually the entire course) and they were playing 'worst ball'! Don't ask how how it is played, but we waited and waited and waited on every hole! The ambassador told us that he had no control over how people choose to play the game i.e., best ball, worst ball, etc. we suggested that he might want to bring this to the attention of the golf management.
The delay did not prevent us from enjoying the beautiful day, we just had to wait a little longer to get to lunch!
Life is (still) good!!!

tomwed 11-05-2015 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1141031)
Violation/penalties can vary with each individual permit.

I don't know what that means.

Polar Bear 11-05-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1141080)
I don't know what that means.

Nothing mysterious or anything, but maybe I'm not understanding your original question. If you're asking about permit requirements, restrictions, violations, etc., each wetland, preservation, development site, etc. has a specific permit associated with it. Each permit (County, SWFWMD, FDEP, etc.) can impose different restrictions on the site for which the permit applies. There is no "standard" set that applies to all sites.

Bogie Shooter 11-05-2015 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1141088)
Nothing mysterious or anything, only that each wetland, preservation, development site, etc. has a specific permit associated with it. Each permit (County, SWFWMD, FDEP, etc.) can impose different restrictions on the site for which the permit applies. There is no "standard" set that applies to all sites.

No worries if you stay out!

Djembe dude 12-19-2015 10:31 AM

Kudos to the ambassadors, they have their hands tied. If they try and enforce anything some idiots who thinks they are above the rest of us will complain and the ambassador will be fired.

Bogie Shooter 12-19-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Djembe dude (Post 1160656)
Kudos to the ambassadors, they have their hands tied. If they try and enforce anything some idiots who thinks they are above the rest of us will complain and the ambassador will be fired.

Ambassadors have posted on TOTV, that this is not true.

rubicon 12-19-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1140885)
Thank you for your kind words Gracie. We are trained to assess a slow play situation, and do what we can to speed up play. We are advised to step away from confrontation, and call a manager. The management will back us up 100% if we have taken the proscribed steps to resolve the situation. That may include ejection from the course, and suspension of the offender's ID number depending on the severity of the situation. Ambassadors who feel they have been abused are encouraged to report such to management.

Dear mulligan: I have lived here for over 9 years and what you say rings true. I often play as a single and have been teamed up with players that have been very confrontational and rude to ambassadors turning the air blue with their foul language, etc. This has happened more than once in my presence and on both championship and executive courses.

The issue isn't which tee you play from as much as your cooperation in playing ready golf, applying the Callaway rule (in the pocket after two-three-four strokes on executive courses and moving on. Its not standing over the ball like in a trance and remembering that your group is probably thinking "while I'm still young". too long over the ball almost guarantees a bad shot.No the big issue boils down to lack of etiquette

tomwed 12-19-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1141088)
Nothing mysterious or anything, but maybe I'm not understanding your original question. If you're asking about permit requirements, restrictions, violations, etc., each wetland, preservation, development site, etc. has a specific permit associated with it. Each permit (County, SWFWMD, FDEP, etc.) can impose different restrictions on the site for which the permit applies. There is no "standard" set that applies to all sites.

If you walk into a restricted area you may be given a fine of $250. Is that a myth or is it the truth?

dbussone 12-19-2015 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1160801)
If you walk into a restricted area you may be given a fine of $250. Is that a myth or is it the truth?

I was in a foursome when one of our group retrieved a ball from a restricted area. An ambassador rushed up and told him that he faced a $250 fine and loss of his golfing privileges if he was ever caught doing it again. (The ambassador did not say this in a joking manner, either)

tomwed 12-19-2015 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1160803)
I was in a foursome when one of our group retrieved a ball from a restricted area. An ambassador rushed up and told him that he faced a $250 fine and loss of his golfing privileges if he was ever caught doing it again. (The ambassador did not say this in a joking manner, either)

Thank-you
That's fair but the fine should also be posted if everyone wants it to stop.

There a stake and I can't remember the color of the top but it's a warning that the area is dangerous. On Valushia there is one by the rocks. I guess it's snakes.

Bogie Shooter 12-19-2015 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1160826)
Thank-you
That's fair but the fine should also be posted if everyone wants it to stop.

There a stake and I can't remember the color of the top but it's a warning that the area is dangerous. On Valushia there is one by the rocks. I guess it's snakes.

No, not snakes. You need to ask the starter they can explain ,all, of the stakes.

tomwed 12-19-2015 08:06 PM

This explains the Environmentally Sensitive Areas.
http://www.golfthevillages.com/turft...ve%20Areas.pdf

golfing eagles 12-20-2015 06:47 AM

Despite all that, some people just don't get it. I live on a course with a protected pond about 60 yards from my lanai. Everyday I watch golfers walk into the protected area, fish for golf balls and hack around with a club. Why bother even looking when you are not permitted to retrieve it anyway? All that to risk a large fine, a snake bite or an alligator attack for a $2 golf ball? If it is not found outside the hazard, just drop one and take your penalty stroke. From what I observe, it looks like for most of them it's the difference between shooting 117 and 118 anyway. From the way they act, you would think it was the record score at the US Open on the line.

graciegirl 12-20-2015 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1139344)
I would recommend that you play on the more difficult Level 4 courses. I believe they attract fewer new players so the pace of play should be better.



Excellent advice.


And to the OP, don't malign the Golf Ambassadors. They are doing exactly what they are instructed to do or not do. I have yet to meet one who was not a gentleman or a gentlelady in all of the rounds of golf I have played here. If you want more, umm, traditional golf and golfers, pay to play on the 18 hole courses.

Bay Kid 12-20-2015 08:09 AM

Life goes by very fast, enjoy the view.

Blessed2BNTV 12-20-2015 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DigitalGranny (Post 1140459)
I'm a novice learning golf. I sincerely hope I do not inconvenience experienced golfers. I love the ambassadors on the courses I have played. I find them to be very helpful when asked and encouraging. One gave my husband a coupon for the pro shop just for repairing the marks on the green ( yours plus one more is what I learned in the good golf school). Here's what I do to try to respect others. We play late in the day when the course is less crowded. If I get slow, I skip my tee shot and just drop my ball where my husbands tee shot lands. He is teaching me, but limits the "tips" to one per hole. I pick up my ball if I reach 6 strokes. I play only the executive courses rated 1 or 2 for difficulty. I watch the people behind me and if they are moving faster, I skip a hole. I carry my chipper and putter as I approach the green and always park the cart past the green. Again, I hope I don't inconvenience anyone. I love playing -and find its beautiful on our courses here! More advice?

I found my soul mate! That's what I do while I am in the learning process of golf. I love this game!

Would love to play with you and hubby!

tomwed 12-20-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1160898)
Despite all that, some people just don't get it. I live on a course with a protected pond about 60 yards from my lanai. Everyday I watch golfers walk into the protected area, fish for golf balls and hack around with a club. Why bother even looking when you are not permitted to retrieve it anyway? All that to risk a large fine, a snake bite or an alligator attack for a $2 golf ball? If it is not found outside the hazard, just drop one and take your penalty stroke. From what I observe, it looks like for most of them it's the difference between shooting 117 and 118 anyway. From the way they act, you would think it was the record score at the US Open on the line.

The people I play with regularly buy used balls, find balls in unrestricted areas without slowing down play and don't loose very many balls. We don't worry about gators if the ball can be scoped in a couple of seconds. We never step on the rocks, snakes. Having said that we laugh at the people you describe because they are risking a huge fine for a 10 cent ball. Maybe they think they are saving a stroke because it's not "lost".

The person that was fined that I heard about was turned in by a golf course homeowner. He took his picture and turned it in with the time. The next day someone showed up a the golfers house, asked if this was him and than fined.

If I'm playing with a stranger that's either new to golf or new to the area, 99% of the time I'm comfortable enough to tell them what I heard.

rjn5656 12-20-2015 10:21 AM

Slow Play
 
Has anyone ever taught new golfers _ if you are slow and there are open holes ahead of you, you can speed up or let the group behind you play through.

golfing eagles 12-20-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rjn5656 (Post 1160967)
Has anyone ever taught new golfers _ if you are slow and there are open holes ahead of you, you can speed up or let the group behind you play through.

Probably 7 billion times in the history of golf. But how often do they listen or actually do it?

graciegirl 12-20-2015 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1160970)
Probably 7 billion times in the history of golf. But how often do they listen or actually do it?



NEVER. We will now get lectured on we are retired, what's the hurry. Oh dear.


WHILE WE ARE YOUNG....Arnie says.


Double par, pick it up.


Don't even THINK about hitting two balls.


Can't wait to read the next posts but I feel better.

So glad you are part of this forum, Doc.

golfing eagles 12-20-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1160985)
NEVER. We will now get lectured on we are retired, what's the hurry. Oh dear.


WHILE WE ARE YOUNG....Arnie says.


Double par, pick it up.


Don't even THINK about hitting two balls.


Can't wait to read the next posts but I feel better.

So glad you are part of this forum, Doc.

Actually GG, I'd turn that around. What's the hurry? Probably nothing, or maybe someone allotted just so much time to play 9 short holes. Maybe they have an appointment, or a dinner reservation, or a movie time, or company coming over. Take a drive to LA on I-10--but go 25 mph.---what's the hurry?

So they better question is: What's all the lollygagging all about? No other place to talk incessantly than a golf course? No driving ranges to practice at? You've convinced yourself that a 9 is better than a 10 on a 100 yd. hole? There aren't any sidewalks to take a slow stroll?

There are defined average time parameters to play a golf hole---this helps with the enjoyment of the game for EVERYONE. Not playing at a REASONABLE pace (not rushing but not dawdling) affects everyone else on the course (behind you)

drooney60@hotmail.com 12-20-2015 11:08 AM

My husband is a Golf Ambassador for the Glenview Golf and Country Club. Yes, there are some Ambassadors that never get out of their cart, but the majority of them do a great job. My husband has been there for 3 years and folks have often complimented on how he does his job. He is a people person and treats everyone the way he would want to be treated. Granted, the job doesn't seem that difficult, but when you have folks that are really slow and don't want to listen to you, there is some stress involved. Kudos to the Golf Ambassadors in the Villages!!!

golfing eagles 12-20-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by drooney60@hotmail.com (Post 1161000)
My husband is a Golf Ambassador for the Glenview Golf and Country Club. Yes, there are some Ambassadors that never get out of their cart, but the majority of them do a great job. My husband has been there for 3 years and folks have often complimented on how he does his job. He is a people person and treats everyone the way he would want to be treated. Granted, the job doesn't seem that difficult, but when you have folks that are really slow and don't want to listen to you, there is some stress involved. Kudos to the Golf Ambassadors in the Villages!!!

:thumbup::thumbup::BigApplause::bigbow:

Polar Bear 12-20-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by drooney60@hotmail.com (Post 1161000)
...Kudos to the Golf Ambassadors in the Villages!!!

:beer3:

rdhdleo 12-20-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1140885)
Thank you for your kind words Gracie. We are trained to assess a slow play situation, and do what we can to speed up play. We are advised to step away from confrontation, and call a manager. The management will back us up 100% if we have taken the proscribed steps to resolve the situation. That may include ejection from the course, and suspension of the offender's ID number depending on the severity of the situation. Ambassadors who feel they have been abused are encouraged to report such to management.

Thank you Mulligan, you are so right. My husband is an Ambassador and works in the shack also depending on the day. He loves his job and most all the people he meets, but there's always that exception. Only a few times have people gotten confrontational with him and that is when he offers to call Management so their issue can be addressed further. Yes people remember these Ambassadors are your neighbors and fellow golfers also. lets just be kind to one another. I have to say some of the stories he has related to me have my head shaking though.... Thanks again Mulligan :)

Topspinmo 12-20-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1139385)
Is this something unique to exec courses. I see the ambassadors speeding up play on championship courses all the time.

Championship courses equals = money $180 plus round of four, that's the reason for speeding up play. Executive course equal CAPUT, other the trail fees.

Bogie Shooter 12-20-2015 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1161109)
Championship courses equals = money $180 plus round of four, that's the reason for speeding up play. Executive course equal CAPUT, other the trail fees.

If the tee times are all booked, how does the pace of play effect the $$$$?


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