Right, and it's Points that are allocated to each golfer at Midnight 3 days in advance. So you might input the request 6 days out, but if your guys play during the next 3 days, they'll have points even if they had none when you put it in.

Actually, the Pitch and Putts are part of a bigger “problem”… when I bought here, I was not a golfer… started playing the Marshview Pitch & Putt and fell in love with the game! Now, I typically play several times a week; a combination of Pitch & Putts (which I still love to play) and executives. The “problem” is they are increasing the number of golfers! :-) I suspect that was exactly what the developers had in mind when they did the planning for the new areas down south… my cohort was NOT playing golf. Pitch & Putt makes the barrier to entry lower for people like me.

Personally, I’m looking forward to the new Live Oak Pitch & Putt coming on line later this year and I hope they decide to build a few more down south in the years ahead.

Build, build, build!

I was not a golfer till I moved here myself. I'm sure if groups of 12 can't get tee times i bet groups of 16 and larger neighborhood groups are getting knocked out of golf each year with the shortage of golf courses.

You sold three years ago? Yet here you are, still on TOTV and still partaking of topics no longer of daily relevance to you? Interesting.

Please don't leave. It's healthy to hear both sides of a story.

As of today, 5 executive courses are closed for extended maintenance. With around 70 tee times per day per course with 4 golfers per slot, that means 1400 golfers are not playing per day who would be if maintenance were more timely.

All we want is to enjoy a nice, leisurely, relaxing game of golf! Is that asking too much? (Apparently, it is!

By the same math, about 11,200 people COULD play today if they didn't have too many points or were open to taking any available tee time. Equals 78,400 available tee times each week. Executive and PP (which are considered executive) only, not including Championship.

"More timely"?

Are you suggesting that TV shut down all the golf courses in summer and then try to find enough people and optimal weather, to redo ALL the courses, then?

Not very practical.

For anyone (not you) who puts in 3 or 4 close courses or has 3 or more points, and only wants to play between 10:00 and noon, YES that IS asking too much.

Some people around here probably didn't share their crayons in Kindergarten.

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I've done that many times. Met some great people!

You can also go on the Villages Golf site and see what courses have empty spots in their t-times...

They'll nail you for that...

Someone was using my wife's # when she wasn't there and my wife got locked out. I checked and found more than a few "no shows" and 3 points when were weren't in TV. It took a few phone calls to find out what happened.

They were easily able to find the friend who was doing it, and they notified her that if it happened again, she would be suspended for a while...

The friend apologized profusely, as she didn't know it would cause a problem...

In kindergarten I shared everything. I was blind as a bat, and couldn't see when others "shared" everything I had.

Not if people temper their expectations.

If you're willing to reserve as a single or as a couple, getting on a course is really not that difficult. My wife and I have played four times in the past eight or so days. El Diablo twice, Briarwood, and Saddlebrook. Three reservations made on "the system" two days in advance, and one call-in the day of. The point being that golf is the same game whether you play as "a group of twelve" or with a couple of snowbirds. And to be honest playing with the "birds" is far more attractive to my wife and I as we get to meet new people. Playing with the same stodgy old group every time doesn't seem all that appealing.

I feel your pain but this idea that where you live in The Villages dictates where you are entitled to play golf is wrong. TV is TV, no matter where you live in TV.

If something comes up and you can't play that day of golf always call the starter and let them know. That way golfers looking for an open time will make use of the slot.

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We love going up north to golf. Our amenity fees cover it, so why not. Just find other things to do. Road-trips in the cart followed by great times at the selected 19th all make it fun.

Speaking as a starter…. THANK YOU!
Also to group leaders. If you know the night before who isn’t going to make it. Remove them and rearrange your group to free up slots. On one morning shift I have had as many as 21 no-shows from groups and foursomes where ‘guests’ used to fill the slot aren’t going to make it. Think about that x the other courses, Hundreds.

As of today, there are 6 executives closed for extended maintenance.

They are Yankee Clipper; Southern Star; Oakleigh; Belmont, Palmetto; and Heron.

I think they should do as much extended maintenance between Memorial Day and Labor Day rather than during the peak season. The courses are less in demand in the low season.

Unfortunately, there is no way to rearrange groups via the website. You have to call the Tee Time Office to compress players into a lesser number of tee times and possibly free up an entire tee time when you have players cancel. It would be nice if you could move around players, via the website, when players have to cancel.

Agree, maintenance is also much easier and faster if done during growing season.

Maintenance should remain in peak season months.

[QUOTE=Rainger99;2299150]As of today, there are 6 executives closed for extended maintenance.

They are Yankee Clipper; Southern Star; Oakleigh; Belmont, Palmetto; and Heron.


Need to add Tarpon Boil, Redfish Run and Bonita Pass. The fungus trio.

[QUOTE=UpNorth;2299193]Are they closed? Or just in bad shape?

Yes you can by using the cancel and substitute player options. We do it all the time. If Adam calls you and says they can’t play and you want to move John to Adam’s spot; cancel John first and then substitute Adam with John. Adam is gone and John has been moved.

There are many that need work, but not Oakleigh. They should look for the worse 1st.

One would think that, but unfortunately that is not the way it appears to be done here. We played Briarwood this past Sunday, which had just re-opened after a period of months and the expenditure of well over half a million dollars undergoing "renovation", and other than some sod put down around some of the greens and two sections of concrete golf path (about 20' each) replaced, it looked no different than it had before "renovation" started, other than of course looking better than most courses given that it had had no player traffic on it for some time.

One has to wonder. Briarwood was easily one of the more attractive and well-kept courses even before this "renovation". Yet it was closed while some courses in significantly worse shape remained open.

Closing occasionally helps keep the good staying good, rather than continuing to overuse and abuse to the point where it can't regrow and needs full replacement. The peak season is when the highest number of people put the biggest burden on the courses and do the most damage. Golf courses are living things. This is when they are most vulnerable. They can use a break now and then on a year round basis. After all they are meant to be enjoyed year round, not just during the winter when the part timers show up.

Does John wind up with 3 Points (2 for cancelling and then 1 for playing) or does the system know enough to only assign 1 playing point to John? Does Adam wind up with 2 cancellation points?

What about the single hoping for an open spot?
Screwed again. 😔

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With the scenario that was presented, there is now an open spot (John's original spot).

Then why bother to move John to Adam's spot? An opening is an opening. In what way does it matter?

We built much longer ago than 10 years. "Winter" was always a little more difficult, but if one were "reasonable" (meaning, no demanding ONE particular course at ONE certain day and time) it was not that difficult to get something similar to the request. Over the years it's just become, yes, beyond frustrating. I'm sure even the Championship (pay) courses do not come close to bringing in the amount of money the sale of a new home does, so you have to kind of figure: if you have self space in your store, and stocking one item brings a LOT more profit than stocking another item that might be a convenience and help to the customers who come in, but on which there is nearly no profit, or even is a "loss leader" item. So golf courses could be an attractive "loss leader" for this business. Also, how would any resident know how many MORE times that traditionally reserved for the villages sales department, are now being held back ? Are even more allotted to the sales department now that the square miles of the V's have grown exponentially. So couple those possibilities with the great increase in people owning "chains" of properties for short term rental, that demographic too has definitely increased since many years ago when the "typical" winter residents were 2 people to a home they either owned (and did not rent out when not occupying), or renters would stay an entire winter. Just so many changes that combine to cause major dysfunction, can't blame ONE thing, except perhaps lack of adequate contingency planning while adding one village after another. Kind of like a Ponzi scheme, they finally collapse but always look very successful until the end ! ?

We built much longer ago than 10 years. "Winter" was always a little more difficult, but if one were "reasonable" (meaning, no demanding ONE particular course at ONE certain day and time) it was not that difficult to get something similar to the request. Over the years it's just become, yes, beyond frustrating. I'm sure even the Championship (pay) courses do not come close to bringing in the amount of money the sale of a new home does, so you have to kind of figure: if you have shelf space in your store, and stocking one item brings a LOT more profit than stocking another item that might be a convenience and help to the customers who come in, but on which there is nearly no profit, or even is a "loss leader" item. So golf courses could be an attractive "loss leader" for this business. Also, how would any resident know how many MORE times that traditionally reserved for the villages sales department, are now being held back ? Are even more allotted to the sales department now that the square miles of the V's have grown exponentially. So couple those possibilities with the great increase in people owning "chains" of properties for short term rental, that demographic too has definitely increased since many years ago when the "typical" winter residents were 2 people to a home they either owned (and did not rent out when not occupying), or renters would stay an entire winter. Just so many changes that combine to cause major dysfunction, can't blame ONE thing, except perhaps lack of adequate contingency planning while adding one village after another. Kind of like a Ponzi scheme, they finally collapse but always look very successful until the end ! ?

Yes, that is interesting. I doubt I'd be that interested after I moved, but, people have various quirks, especially to all social media sites rather personally relevant to them or not I suppose ? Others may just look back to try to determine if their decision to move is confirmed in their mind ? Remember, a good part of human nature is: YES, I KNEW I was right ! People seek "confirmation".

Don't think who ever is "in charge" has counted on many people thinking in those mathematical terms as you have !

Absolutely true, no way is the issue that simple, just build that new course is far from a solution because it does not address the roots of the problem ! Treating chronic illness with aspirin to keep the "fever" down, does NOT solve, or even address, the actual problem.

We too finally just quit trying to play during "snowbird" season, but then, "snowbird" season started getting longer, and longer, and longer, and with the dramatic increase in AB&B and so many other short term rental companies, the number of units that once were unoccupied many months, has now increased tremendously. That impacts the whole amenity picture too.

It was not a real situation. He was explaining how to move a person around between foursomes. In reality, the reason you might want to do this is to compress the players down into a lesser number of foursomes and free up an entire tee time. Regardless, a empty spot still exists.