Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2293391)

There really is no need to go too deep into the woods when thinking about this. Again, the algorithm used by the system is very complex, but it does a really good job of keeping the assignment of tee times as fair as possible.

First off, the Placement points and Reservation points are not added together. They are considered separately, with Placement points being looked at first. Everyone has Placement points, but not everyone has Reservation points. When you make a request in the system, you will not see the Placement points (which are calculated in the background) for your group, but you will see each golfer's Reservation points. All requests are first prioritized according to the average number of Placement points for the group. Then, average Reservation points for the group are applied, and prioritized again. It is possible for a group with a higher average of Reservation points to have priority over another group, if their average of Placement points is lower.

But...this is mostly important only on Championship courses, where the Enhanced members have a big advantage in the Placement point category. For executive course play, all residents are treated the same as far as Placement points go, with the only difference being guests, which carry one point more than residents.

And, you must remember that Reservation points are a constantly moving target, as the system looks at the previous 7 days. As an example, if you submit a request on a Thursday to play the next week on Thursday, you will see the Reservation points assigned to each golfer in your group. But, those point values can, and likely will, change before the next week. It is not the point values shown when you make the request that count...it is the point values each golfer has when the request goes into the system. In this Thursday example, your request will go into the system at 12:01am on Monday morning. The points that each golfer has at that time are what count for your group. So, a golfer that had 2 points when you made the request on Thursday could easily have 4 points, or zero points, by Monday morning.

Sorry for the long winded response. Hopefully this helps explain a little about how the system works, and maybe help folks understand the reason behind not getting a tee time. For simplicity's sake, just think of it this way: If you mostly play Executive courses, don't even think about Placement points, unless your group has a guest. If so, understand your group will have a lower priority than groups made up entirely or residents. When playing Championship courses, know that groups made up of Enhanced members will always have priority over groups of non-Enhanced members.

Whew.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293479)

I THINK I have it figured out. Let me know if I am correct.

This is for executive courses with no cancelations by anyone.

The first thing that the computer does is to calculate each groups' placement points.

According to the system, residents have 6 placement points and guests have 7 placement points.

If you have four foursomes, the possible combinations are

4 residents
3 residents and 1 guest
2 residents and 2 guests
1 resident and 3 guests
4 guests (not sure if this is allowed)

The first group would have 24 placement points
The second group would have 25 placement points
The third group would have 26 placement points
The fourth group would have 27 placement points
The fifth group would have 28 placements.

The computer then ranks every groups' placement points.

Only after that is done, the computer then goes to reservation points and looks at them within each group.

When the computer looks at all of the requests, it takes all of the first group and fulfills their requests first; then to the second group; and so on.

For each group, the group with the fewest reservation points would be first on the list and the group with the most reservation points would be last on the list. However, the computer fulfills all of group one before going on to the next group.

If you are in the first group and no one played in the last seven days, the group would have 0 points but if everyone played seven times in the last seven days, the group would have 28 points. I think that group with 28 points would have their request fulfilled before going to the second group and looking at their reservation points. So you could have the possibility of 4 people in the second group not having played once in the last week (so 0 reservation points) but their request would be fulfilled after people in group one who had played each day in the past week.

The computer would then go to groups 3, 4, and 5, whereby all of the requests in each group would be fulfilled ahead of lower groups.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2293497)

Good explanation. One thing that you didn’t go over is what happens when I put in for a twosome (my wife and I) who are both residents. I assume we are paired, by the system, with another twosome of residents and put in the first group with the lowest placement points of 24? But you know what they say about assuming. I would be interested in knowing how that works if anyone knows.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293501)

I do not know but I will try to find out.

I would think that each request would be calculated separately whether it is a foursome, threesome, twosome, or single. If you and your wife have 0 points, it would be unfair to put you with another twosome with 14 points as you would be penalized for the other players’ points.

If I were designing the system, I would design it so that separate groups are assigned to separate groups with the same point total. For example, if you or your wife had 0 points, it should put you with another twosome with 0 points or with two singles with 0 points.

The question is does it take all foursomes first, then all threesomes, then all twosomes, and finally singles.

It should take all groups and put them in order of points.

For example, It should take a threesome with 0 points and put them with a single with 0 points before going to a foursome with 1 point.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2293497)

Good explanation. One thing that you didn’t go over is what happens when I put in for a twosome (my wife and I) who are both residents. I assume we are paired, by the system, with another twosome of residents and put in the first group with the lowest placement points of 24? But you know what they say about assuming. I would be interested in knowing how that works if anyone knows.

Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 2293510)

Each request is handled by average point of golfers in that request. If you and you wife have zero points and are the only golfers on your request, you would be place. Then the system would place another two golfers with you. Your points and their points, resident or not have zero bearing on each other. Once each request is reached in the pecking order the system tries to place it.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293544)

So if couple A has 0 points, they will most likely be placed with another couple (or two singles) with 0 points or maybe 1 point?

It would be almost impossible to be placed with a couple with 10 points?

Originally Posted by Fenster (Post 2293469)

This system is needlessly complicated. Most people don’t understand it. And you can’t blame everyone.
It should be simplified.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293479)

I THINK I have it figured out. Let me know if I am correct.

This is for executive courses with no cancelations by anyone.

The first thing that the computer does is to calculate each groups' placement points.

According to the system, residents have 6 placement points and guests have 7 placement points.

If you have four foursomes, the possible combinations are

4 residents
3 residents and 1 guest
2 residents and 2 guests
1 resident and 3 guests
4 guests (not sure if this is allowed)

The first group would have 24 placement points
The second group would have 25 placement points
The third group would have 26 placement points
The fourth group would have 27 placement points
The fifth group would have 28 placements.

The computer then ranks every groups' placement points.

Only after that is done, the computer then goes to reservation points and looks at them within each group.

When the computer looks at all of the requests, it takes all of the first group and fulfills their requests first; then to the second group; and so on.

For each group, the group with the fewest reservation points would be first on the list and the group with the most reservation points would be last on the list. However, the computer fulfills all of group one before going on to the next group.

If you are in the first group and no one played in the last seven days, the group would have 0 points but if everyone played seven times in the last seven days, the group would have 28 points. I think that group with 28 points would have their request fulfilled before going to the second group and looking at their reservation points. So you could have the possibility of 4 people in the second group not having played once in the last week (so 0 reservation points) but their request would be fulfilled after people in group one who had played each day in the past week.

The computer would then go to groups 3, 4, and 5, whereby all of the requests in each group would be fulfilled ahead of lower groups.

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2293810)

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2293810)

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2293810)

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293479)

I THINK I have it figured out. Let me know if I am correct.

This is for executive courses with no cancelations by anyone.

The first thing that the computer does is to calculate each groups' placement points.

According to the system, residents have 6 placement points and guests have 7 placement points.

If you have four foursomes, the possible combinations are

4 residents
3 residents and 1 guest
2 residents and 2 guests
1 resident and 3 guests
4 guests (not sure if this is allowed)

The first group would have 24 placement points
The second group would have 25 placement points
The third group would have 26 placement points
The fourth group would have 27 placement points
The fifth group would have 28 placements.

The computer then ranks every groups' placement points.

Only after that is done, the computer then goes to reservation points and looks at them within each group.

When the computer looks at all of the requests, it takes all of the first group and fulfills their requests first; then to the second group; and so on.

For each group, the group with the fewest reservation points would be first on the list and the group with the most reservation points would be last on the list. However, the computer fulfills all of group one before going on to the next group.

If you are in the first group and no one played in the last seven days, the group would have 0 points but if everyone played seven times in the last seven days, the group would have 28 points. I think that group with 28 points would have their request fulfilled before going to the second group and looking at their reservation points. So you could have the possibility of 4 people in the second group not having played once in the last week (so 0 reservation points) but their request would be fulfilled after people in group one who had played each day in the past week.

The computer would then go to groups 3, 4, and 5, whereby all of the requests in each group would be fulfilled ahead of lower groups.

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2293847)

Where did you see the numerical value for "placement points" ? The only "THE VILLAGES" official publication I've seen refers to placement as a tier. Executive courses have two tiers championship courses have four tiers

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2293975)

When I moved here in 2021, they gave me a copy of the Golfing In The Villages handbook. On page 4, there is a chart showing placement point values.

For Championship courses it states
Priority Member 1
Priority Guest 2
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7


For executive courses it states
Priority Member N/A
Priority Guest N/A
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7

I don't think it makes any difference what the values are as long as Priority Members have the fewest; Priority Guests have the second fewest; Resident Members have third fewest;
and Resident Guests have the most points.

I looked at the current website and even though the handbook refers to Placement points, it doesn't give them a value.

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2293847)

Where did you see the numerical value for "placement points" ? The only "THE VILLAGES" official publication I've seen refers to placement as a tier. Executive courses have two tiers championship courses have four tiers