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Bogie Shooter 04-14-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746075)
You did not answer the basic question. Since I pay the same amenity fee as everyone else and IF it is well after hours with no golfers - what harm is being done? Why should anyone on this site care?

Does your logic hold for climbing over the gate at a pool after hours, so you can swim?

npwalters 04-14-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JCMSr (Post 1746084)
If by "on this site" you are referring to Talk of The Villages the answer is that eventually those few who choose to ignore the rules will cause the courses to be shut down for the rest of us. As to who does and does not pay amenity fees I cannot see how that gives you the right to trespass. By the way, you did not mention whether you paid the trail fees or not (not that it matters).

I actually do pay the trail fee for when I use my cart to golf but since I'm talking about walking along the path after all golf has ceased I don't see how that applies. The trail fee only applies to carts.

Vknanu3 04-14-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1745826)
I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...

So before 4:00 you can’t get the virus but after 4:00 you can?

npwalters 04-14-2020 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1746091)
Does your logic hold for climbing over the gate at a pool after hours, so you can swim?

I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

Bogie Shooter 04-14-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746096)
I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

So your logic failed........

Bogie Shooter 04-14-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vknanu3 (Post 1746095)
So before 4:00 you can’t get the virus but after 4:00 you can?

No direct connection with catching the virus......staffing issue. Read all the posts!

NHsnow1 04-14-2020 11:53 AM

Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!

Karen4722@yahoo.com 04-14-2020 12:01 PM

Yes, please obey the rules
We don’t want or need another thing to do taken away

Skunky1 04-14-2020 12:08 PM

I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

Mumbles 04-14-2020 12:15 PM

innovate!
 
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746096)
I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

If the Family cares, they should have a select number of drones they can fly over the courses to check. I don't know if they DO have them, but if not, it could be time.

Villageswimmer 04-14-2020 12:26 PM

I’m a golfer (not during this crisis) and I do not have a dog, so I have no dog in this fight. Ha ha.

Anyway, I’m just wondering...in this social distancing world, folks need to spread out. Is it possible that people (with or without dogs) simply need a place to walk in the evening without getting too close?
I think Dog parks, Weichens and Polo grounds are closed. Is it really so awful if they walk on cart paths? Maybe I have more faith than most but I think the vast majority are responsible dog owners.

Oh, and I’ll throw the b s flag on the insurance argument. TV is far too savvy to not have liability insurance around the clock.
PS - it never even occurred to me to walk a cart path, but why not live and let live?

anothersteve 04-14-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1746114)
I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

Pedestrians and any unauthorized person, persons, and person or persons with their dogs, on any part of any of the courses, has always been prohibited, any time of the day or night. What the hell makes people think it's alright now??

Steve

photo1902 04-14-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1746135)
Pedestrians and any unauthorized person, persons, and person or persons with their dogs, on any part of any of the courses, has always been prohibited, any time of the day or night. What the hell makes people think it's alright now??

Steve

My guess is because they are "entitled" and that the rules don't pertain to them.

Bogie Shooter 04-14-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NHsnow1 (Post 1746104)
Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!

Isn't there a phone number on the score card?

Bogie Shooter 04-14-2020 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1746114)
I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

That should work rather well...…………...another new set of rules to replace a very simple one.

wereback 04-14-2020 12:53 PM

golfers
 
I left the villages nearly 3 years ago for the lack of health care that was and still is. the same I do miss golf

Incoblack1 04-14-2020 01:05 PM

Very much agree! Who is being harmed by opening up the courses to walkers/bikers after golf has ended?

Velvet 04-14-2020 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746050)
I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

Private property, think if you were not at home and some people walked their dogs inside your living room without your permission, would you feel they were violating your private property? I would.

karostay 04-14-2020 01:34 PM

Just drove by Havana parking lot full of blue cones golfers everywhere socializing
Just because you pay there's different set of enforcement rules are rules
Where the someone who has a friend that an ambassador on this one

joshgun 04-14-2020 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1745835)
This has already been discussed on another thread with over 100 posts, you must of missed it. There is a difference between no teetimes after 4pm and the course is closed at 4pm. What we have is no teetimes after 4pm, and the course is always closed to walkers, joggers, dog walkers, bicyclist, residents and outsiders playing golf without going through the starter. Now, as far as what we really have. GolfingEagles explained it best on that other thread, here it is.



I kow your next comment is, don't shoot me I'm just the messenger, I'm just telling you what the ambassador said. I'm just telling you, what he said wasn't correct. What's correct is what GolfingEagles said.

At 4 Pm the tenth hole at OBG has an ambassador and/or a one and ours even closed sign. It was my interpretation you cannot tee off after 4 pm on 1st hole or number 10.

golfing eagles 04-14-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgun (Post 1746172)
At 4 Pm the tenth hole at OBG has an ambassador and/or a one and ours even closed sign. It was my interpretation you cannot tee off after 4 pm on 1st hole or number 10.

Maybe they were starting all groups on 10 all day long

davem4616 04-14-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NHsnow1 (Post 1746104)
Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!


Walkers don't belong on a golf course....if someone is stupid enough to walk onto a golf course right in front of golfer's teeing off or between golfers on the fairway and the green they absolutely deserve to get hit in the head, neck, shoulders, stomach, groin, leg, ankle anywhere...they don't belong there

I wonder if these 'entitled' folks are stupid enough to walk across the driving range down on Rolling Acres when it's packed with folks hitting balls, or would they walk across the shooting lanes over at Shooter's World after hearing 'ready on the right, ready on the left'

justjim 04-14-2020 03:03 PM

I don’t understand
 
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1746050)
I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

I trying to understand your logic. It’s not okay to golf on an executive golf course after golfers with a tee time finish for the day but it is okay to walk your dog on the golf course after golf is finished for the day. :ohdear:

Jacob85 04-14-2020 03:27 PM

It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

golfing eagles 04-14-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1746209)
It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

It's actually pretty simple. They never want anyone to play unless there is an ambassador out there to supervise play. Whether or not they actually do that or not is another discussion, but I think they do a great job. There aren't enough staff members to keep everything running at the usual times, that's why the championship courses went to straight tee times and all courses have a last tee time of 4PM. Today I heard 57 staff members have elected to stay home during this time, whether that is true or not---???????

xkbob 04-14-2020 03:45 PM

asked to leave
 
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Originally Posted by JCMSr (Post 1746079)
I believe this policy originally started when the Championship courses found themselves without enough employees to fill all the the positions necessary to man the starter shacks and the pro shop. Therefore, they began to shut down the pro shops at 2 pm after everyone from the afternoon wave should have checked in. This left only the slots for the starter shacks and the ambassadors to fill.

I was asked to leave course at 7:25 PM. The ambassador could just as easily taken my Id # as before. Makes more business sense and could lower our fees for next year because of more revenue. But I guess we need to be punished. Makes as much sense to me.

fdpaq0580 04-14-2020 04:11 PM

Here is the logic
 
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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1746199)
I trying to understand your logic. It’s not okay to golf on an executive golf course after golfers with a tee time finish for the day but it is okay to walk your dog on the golf course after golf is finished for the day. :ohdear:

Change the words golfers to swimmers, golf course to sports pool and change " walk your dog" to "wash your dog", and it becomes : it's not okay to swim in the sports pool after swim time is over but it is okay to wash you dog in the pool after hours. Get the logic now, Justjim? Folks here, like folks everywhere, want what they want without regard for laws, rules, respect for others property, etc. As for the "I don't see the problem" type comments, they are either (sadly) too dumb to see the problem or, more likely , just don't want to see it.

bagboy 04-14-2020 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xkbob (Post 1746220)
I was asked to leave course at 7:25 PM. The ambassador could just as easily taken my Id # as before. Makes more business sense and could lower our fees for next year because of more revenue. But I guess we need to be punished. Makes as much sense to me.

Did you know that you weren't supposed to be there at that time?

Villagelee 04-14-2020 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1745968)
Most weed choppers crap all over the courses and don’t follow simple rules. There will be always people who crap on rules.

what the heck is a weed chopper?

kcrazorbackfan 04-14-2020 07:02 PM

I’ve ran a few off Southern Star since the 4pm shutdown started.

I asked them, in a nice way of course, what part of the “course closed sign” did they not understand?

kcrazorbackfan 04-14-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1746209)
It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

Seriously? You can’t tell people to stay 6’ away from you? Man up (or lady up) and use a stern voice and tell them to back off. It could save your life.

thomp679 04-14-2020 08:33 PM

Don't you all get tired off complaining about everything under the sun for the umpteenth time? Maybe its time to get off the computer, step outside, and just be glad you are alive.

NJblue 04-14-2020 10:49 PM

I notice that no one can come up with a valid reason why walkers are not allowed on the course after the golfers are finished. The primary response has been, "because those are the rules". Do people ever question whether the rules make sense? I bet if they came out and said people are no longer allowed to walk on the sidewalks, or no golf cars allowed to be out after 6 PM the same people here would be out defending these rule with the same arcane logic - because it's the rules.

With everything closed down in The Villages, I would think that those who claim to want to make this a great place to live should be looking for creative ways to safely improve our lifestyle in these trying times rather than just ways to clamp down on it. I'm sure that walking on a golf course cart path after the golfers are gone has got to be one of the safest things one can do here - certainly safer than walking on the sidewalk which necessitates crossing sometimes busy streets. It is also far safer than walking on a multi-modal path with golf carts speeding by - yet no one has any problem with that.

Kayakguy 04-14-2020 11:02 PM

Agree completely for post #76. Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live.
Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure.
The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

stan the man 04-15-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1746212)
It's actually pretty simple. They never want anyone to play unless there is an ambassador out there to supervise play. Whether or not they actually do that or not is another discussion, but I think they do a great job. There aren't enough staff members to keep everything running at the usual times, that's why the championship courses went to straight tee times and all courses have a last tee time of 4PM. Today I heard 57 staff members have elected to stay home during this time, whether that is true or not---???????

I heard that's not true

stan the man 04-15-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayakguy (Post 1746384)
Agree completely for post #76. Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live.
Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure.
The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

You're right I would stay where you are. You seem like such a nice person and I don't think you will fit in here. Just stay where you are

Zenbion 04-15-2020 09:12 AM

Dogs Playing 9
 
This whole thread is amazing with everyone so up in arms over something so trivial. Have any of them noticed we have a global situation? But a dog on a golf course turns people into raving lunatics? Get a grip! Personally I would never walk a dog on a golf course considering the level of chemicals dumped everywhere. Grab your Zoloff and chill out.

John_W 04-15-2020 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayakguy (Post 1746384)
...Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live. Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure. The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

Remember when Jerry Seinfeld bought his dad Morty a Cadillac and the people in his Florida retirement community Del Boca Vista, arousing suspicion among his neighbors, particularly Jack Klompus, that he was stealing from the board coffers. He was impeached and resigned when the tie-breaking voter Mabel Choate turned against him upon remembering that Jerry had stolen a loaf of Marble Rye bread from her. That show was more real than you think.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jGGi4SpPtqc/hqdefault.jpg

fdpaq0580 04-15-2020 04:05 PM

You want a reason.
 
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Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 1746383)
I notice that no one can come up with a valid reason why walkers are not allowed on the course after the golfers are finished. The primary response has been, "because those are the rules". Do people ever question whether the rules make sense? I bet if they came out and said people are no longer allowed to walk on the sidewalks, or no golf cars allowed to be out after 6 PM the same people here would be out defending these rule with the same arcane logic - because it's the rules.

With everything closed down in The Villages, I would think that those who claim to want to make this a great place to live should be looking for creative ways to safely improve our lifestyle in these trying times rather than just ways to clamp down on it. I'm sure that walking on a golf course cart path after the golfers are gone has got to be one of the safest things one can do here - certainly safer than walking on the sidewalk which necessitates crossing sometimes busy streets. It is also far safer than walking on a multi-modal path with golf carts speeding by - yet no one has any problem with that.

Sorry this response is so late. How about this, a golf course is NOT a public park, dog park, polo field or off-road mud-buggy play area. Therefore, you should NOT be there unless you have checked in with the starter and been sent onto the course to play golf.
I would like to believe you are smart enough to understand this. Sadly, far too many folks either are too dumb to understand while others just pretend they don't understand.

thomp679 04-16-2020 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JCMSr (Post 1746057)
The problem is that you do not own this property and are therefore technically trespassing. In the event that you were involved in an accident there are also potential liability issues for the owner. Would you consider it acceptable to walk around your neighbors property when they are not home after they specifically asked you not to? I would hope not. Be considerate and just follow the rules, Please!

So who exactly owns the property? I'm asking in reference to the executive golf courses? Several people love to use this argument so I am curious.


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