[Papa_lecki]

There are a lot of posts here about course conditions. If the amenity authority would make the conditions on the executives awesome, how much extra would you pay in you monthly amenity fee?

[dewilson58]

$$$$ is part of the problem

Golfers are the other problem

Would have to eliminate A LOT of golfers

[Bogie Shooter]

Plus the weather.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

$$$$ is part of the problem

Golfers are the other problem

Would have to eliminate A LOT of golfers

That's for sure ! How L in the world would even MORE money stop people from driving RIGHT ON the green ! How would it stop people who enter a trap at the HIGHEST point, and then collapse the entire collar as they attempt to climb out the same way ? What do you do about people who drag flag poles across the green ? Those who STEP directly on the HOLE as they pull the pole ? No, think you could throw money at that monthly and never stop it. HOW are such things stopped (never entirely) on PUBLIC courses ... the rangers DO THEIR JOBS and don't try to pose as "good will" ambassadors. Probably SAVE enough money to pay their own salaries, not to mention the expense of sitting quietly and watching the courses be torn up...after all, as long as the repairs and maintenance come out of OTHER peoples' money. Hey need even more ? Just raise the monthly fees, there's always MORE where that came from, who cares about enforcing RESPECT. Respect for property is kind of "old fashioned" anyway.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

There are a lot of posts here about course conditions. If the amenity authority would make the conditions on the executives awesome, how much extra would you pay in you monthly amenity fee?

Are you asking this donation from non golfers also?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Are you asking this donation from non golfers also?

It’s not a donation. It was a hypothetical, amenitity fees are raised by $10/25/50 a month, yes, everyone pays amenities fees.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

That's for sure ! How L in the world would even MORE money stop people from driving RIGHT ON the green ! How would it stop people who enter a trap at the HIGHEST point, and then collapse the entire collar as they attempt to climb out the same way ? What do you do about people who drag flag poles across the green ? Those who STEP directly on the HOLE as they pull the pole ? No, think you could throw money at that monthly and never stop it. HOW are such things stopped (never entirely) on PUBLIC courses ... the rangers DO THEIR JOBS and don't try to pose as "good will" ambassadors. Probably SAVE enough money to pay their own salaries, not to mention the expense of sitting quietly and watching the courses be torn up...after all, as long as the repairs and maintenance come out of OTHER peoples' money. Hey need even more ? Just raise the monthly fees, there's always MORE where that came from, who cares about enforcing RESPECT. Respect for property is kind of "old fashioned" anyway.

Agree, many golfers are a problem.
Would we hire more marshals, train them and empower them to enforce rules?

[Battlebasset]

Take some of the executive courses, add the appropriate per round fee to do all the things you think should be done, and see who pays it. A fee would also serve the purpose of removing all of the casual golfers that create the damage you note.

Just like toll roads, if you use it, pay for it. Don't ask others to pay for it.

[Babubhat]

Not possible with the volume of play and letting carts park almost on greens. Put a white line in front where no carts can travel regardless of status

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Agree, many golfers are a problem.
Would we hire more marshals, train them and empower them to enforce rules?

They can't be empowered to enforce the rules. You and what army is going to tell some self-entitled US [insert armed forces] here who served in [insert war here] and pays his amenity fees just like everyone else that he can't park his "disabled" self in the middle of a waterlogged muddy hill toward the fairway because he overshot the last hole by 20 yards? Remember - he has a Big Bertha in his hand. You - do not. And to assuage the sensitivities of the actually disabled and the actual veterans: a lot of these folks aren't either. They just pretend they are, so that they can get the discounts, or the better seats, or the "thank you for your service" comments. And some of them just like the hats. And some of these entitled people don't pretend anything. They just believe in their heart of hearts that they are superior to everyone else, and can do as they please, and the rules apply to others, not them.

Check his ID and issue him a citation? What if he's on a lifestyle visit? How will you collect on the fine when he says "yeah I'm not paying it, good luck with that?"

There are a LOT of people who think just because they're disabled, or veterans, or both, that they are entitled to privileges that the commoners aren't entitled to. When it comes to government funding then I agree. They have earned more, there. But this is private property. They should either follow the rules, or build their own golf course and make up their own rules for it.

But there's no way to enforce this, because ambassadors aren't police officers. They guide, they suggest, they request. But they don't order.

[Psacc0]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

There are a lot of posts here about course conditions. If the amenity authority would make the conditions on the executives awesome, how much extra would you pay in you monthly amenity fee?

It would seem that the executive courses may be getting additional money as people drop off the Priority program and start to pay the Trail Fee program. We did this because the Priority plan changed to no longer cover the trail fee; but the price didn’t reduce because it was explained that Trail fees were not an actual allocation passed over to the executive courses, but rather an added perk.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

There are a lot of posts here about course conditions. If the amenity authority would make the conditions on the executives awesome, how much extra would you pay in you monthly amenity fee?

I hope that you are simply developing a Strawman. Imagine if non-swimmers or tennis or pickle ball or, you name it were forced to pay more amenity $$$$ to ensure pristine conditions on their field of play. Uproar.

Same for Exec golf. Don’t know the % of non golfers in TV, but must be 50%. So have those folks pay even more for us to have velvet greens etc etc. Nope. And removing “free golf” would be nasty for TV marketing.

I have seen green conditions overall as poor on execs, but tough to improve this time of year. We play execs 3X week, and although it would be great to have pristine conditions, with the amount of play execs get this time of year, so be it.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They can't be empowered to enforce the rules. You and what army is going to tell some self-entitled US [insert armed forces] here who served in [insert war here] and pays his amenity fees just like everyone else that he can't park his "disabled" self in the middle of a waterlogged muddy hill toward the fairway because he overshot the last hole by 20 yards? Remember - he has a Big Bertha in his hand. You - do not. And to assuage the sensitivities of the actually disabled and the actual veterans: a lot of these folks aren't either. They just pretend they are, so that they can get the discounts, or the better seats, or the "thank you for your service" comments. And some of them just like the hats. And some of these entitled people don't pretend anything. They just believe in their heart of hearts that they are superior to everyone else, and can do as they please, and the rules apply to others, not them.

Check his ID and issue him a citation? What if he's on a lifestyle visit? How will you collect on the fine when he says "yeah I'm not paying it, good luck with that?"

There are a LOT of people who think just because they're disabled, or veterans, or both, that they are entitled to privileges that the commoners aren't entitled to. When it comes to government funding then I agree. They have earned more, there. But this is private property. They should either follow the rules, or build their own golf course and make up their own rules for it.

But there's no way to enforce this, because ambassadors aren't police officers. They guide, they suggest, they request. But they don't order.

Your distain for veterans and their "disabilities" is duly noted...

In reality, it would be quite easy to identify who is committing any infractions on the course.

The starter has your name and a description of your cart before you tee off.

Once out on the course, they can easily track who is on what hole.

While I agree that fines will be difficult to assess, one could easily suspend someones ability to book a tee-time after a set number of infractions...

You would know that if you actually played golf...

[dewilson58]

Summary (could have predicted):

95% will not pay a dime.

Same 95% jus complain.

[karostay]

I observed a golfer on Tarpon Boil Thursday pushing a golf cart over the surface of 50% of the greens
any other golf course you would be tossed out