Pretty well sums it up for me. :)

Played Cane Garden today. You complainers should go there and play. My buddy and I played with strangers to us and we all agreed the course was in great shape.

Thank you for the information. And it was posted TDS is good. Both on my list with family coming.

Same here; played Allamanda to Hibiscus today and the course were great.

Why is there an 18 hole after 3 PM rate? Clearly the pricing sheet says you can get a nine hole rate for half the 18 hole rate, and play as many holes as you like? The only difference from the old summer evening system is that the cost has increased some but not doubled, but the tee times begin at 3 not 5.
Example. Last year the twilight rate at Palmer was $8. Now the 9 hole rate at 3 PM is $11 a "resident guest" which seems to be the term for people like me who live here and don't have a championship membership. So I am paying $3 for the opportunity to play 2 more hours of golf. Seems fine. Additionally this lower rate lasts several months longer. Of course there was no reason for an after 5 PM rate once the fall gets here as it gets too dark to golf.

There is no more unlimited golf at 9 hole rate, you either pay for 9 only or 18

If you live here you are a resident member
Steve

:ohdear: You might consider calling a golf course and ask to have all of this explained to you. It all may be covered in the FREE CLASSES too.

AND

"resident guest" is a term for a person you get a guest pass for.... not you. You are a resident. There is no such thing as a championship membership.

They might not have posted a twi-light rate as of yet. Doesn’t start until June or July.

I think the 3pm start times for evening golf is only at OBH and Tierra. The other courses start times for the evening golf is 4:20.Because the other courses have waves instead of straight tee times.

No Rainchecks in Evening Wave
 

It was correctly pointed out that the evening wave starts at 3:00 at Tierra and Orange Blossom, and at 4:20 everywhere else. There are no rain checks for the evening wave according to the rate sheet, so that's now a $12-$16 gamble rather than a $5-$8 gamble.

I think not giving year round residents a break on golf in the summertime is bad business. That is also the time all the aeration is done, choices are more limited and course conditions are less than ideal for a while after that's done. It's also hot as holy hell! The summer rates should reflect those lesser conditions. In 2014, you could play Cane and Havana for $20 in the afternoon. 5 years later it's $34. THAT'S A 70% INCREASE!

This rate sheet is REALLY disappointing to me. I don't have the budget to play twice a week all year round so a Priority doesn't make sense for me. However, I certainly never expected to have to pay $30-34 to play on a summer afternoon here. It's unreasonable in my opinion, having lived in FL for 35 years.

Now that is a bunch of misinformation.

Hacienda is in prime condition...Tiera is very good,

Thank you !!!

People complain that the championship courses are in terrible condition. People complain that The Villages is eliminating the $7 twilight championship rate.
I've played after 5:00 in the summer... How many of those people are Executive players that see it as a novelty to play on a championship course? How many of those people repair their divots and have a repair tool (IN THEIR POCKET) to fix the ball marks on the green?? Or even own a ball repair tool?? My guess is less than 50%.
So you want to disparage The Developer when they might want to minimize novice golfers on championship courses? Try to minimize damage by implementing a 3 wave system? I have no issue with that. You can't have it both ways... you can't have unlimited golf for everyone and also expect pristine conditions. You have to pick one...

Amen! Thanks.
Steve

Something I didn't think of, but a very good and valid point. Thanks

Agree. Since you are "Northwoods", do you know:

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound??

Why pay to play championship golf on substandard course conditions when you can play the same conditions on executive courses for free ?

Apples & Oranges.


First, the condition of Champ courses are significantly better than the Exec courses.


Second, Champ courses is golf, Exec is for practice, learning, fun, etc.


Day & Nite.

Vote with your feet if you don't like it I guess. Spend $5 or $10 bucks on gas to go somewhere off campus? They got us. Captive audience.

Seems to be a new strategy going on in TV. See my new thread this AM about Happy Hour Cartel. Snowbirds number 1 Full Timers number 2. Maybe we are missing something. Could it be Da Family raised rent substantially everywhere recently ?

YEP...that's it in a nutshell. :ohdear:

Probably a good thing, I think the children of Morses won't be too disappointed when the greedy villagers go off site to play and leave the courses to those of us that appreciate what we have. I also suspect that as the below 44 golfers move in the MMP's connect the courses will survive...at least I hope they don't become houses.

If you add together last year’s morning wave – 18 holes, summer and fall rates for the Resident Members(RM) for each course and divide the total by two to get an average cost for the two periods, when compared to the new rates for the same time period, you’ll see that, except for Hacienda Hills, Evans Prairie and Palmer Legends, the fees went up 50 cents. Hacienda and Evans Prairie went up $2.50 and Palmer went down $4.50.
And, if you do the same math for Priority Members (PM) again, with the exception of Hacienda Hills, Evans Prairie and Palmer, the increase is $2.00 and it’s $4.00 for Hacienda, Evans Prairie. Palmer Legends went down $3.00.

But, but that can’t be. I read above the sky is falling.:)

Fees going up...............Why is this a shock???


What costs have not gone up over the last fifty years???

Without getting into who can afford it and where would you go etc. - I have been here in TV since 2005. My experience percentage wise the cost of living here is increasing annually more than it has been in the previous 14 years rapidly. Restaurant prices, championshipship golf prices, movie theater, entertainment venues, house prices, etc. Way above what the CPI claims the inflation rate is.

Good point..Glad to see someone with the facts, not just based on emotion. Why some just have a hard time agreeing and are so protective of anything anyone says that might challenge the way things have been trending.

I don't understand the "cult" comment but I guess I would like to bring this thread back to the subject - golf. I played both Belle Glade and Evans Prairie within the last month and I thought the courses were fine. I like the convenience. I'm OK with eliminating the twilight $7 championship golf because the majority of those golfers would never pay to play championship during the day. So the majority aren't either good enough to play championship or don't respect the course enough (fix divots) to play championship.

I’m okay with it too, but not for the reasons you gave.

I just like to play nine holes late in the day in the summer. The nine hole late-day rate is in effect the same as the twilight rate was, but it starts earlier in the afternoon than the twilight rate did. And it lasts much longer...through December. So I’m a happy camper! :)

Not sure what your point is....CPI has nothing to do with the cost of restaurants, golf prices, movie theater, and the other stuff you mention. The only thing the CPI does is keep the increase of your amenity fee controlled. Everything else you mention is private business and the market dictates what they do.

I agree on the House Prices..........demand is high.


It would be interesting to see the historical costs.......but I like details.


:coolsmiley:

I'm surprised at the food costs..........I've always thought TV was high.



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what group do you belong to. I am looking to play in a group setting.