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coleprice 10-15-2024 06:27 AM

I've checked out several of the courses and they are ready to be played. Fairways are clear and dry (as a bone). Tees and Greens look great. Most courses do not have overflowing ponds, so they are ready for play. To maintain its commitment to residents of The Villages', courses that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, while those courses with overflowing ponds should be ready for play within a week or two and reopened at that time.

Altavia 10-15-2024 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379128)
The home elevations in TV are no different than most anywhere else in FL. In fact, much of the construction in TV is at a higher level than most. Unlike much of FL, we don't have a nearby ocean to absorb excess drainage.

Courses are closed all over Florida, read the news.

The reason TV golf courses may appear to be more affected than other areas, is the development strategy in TV is different than in most other places. We are a golf-centric community. We need huge amounts of lateral space to accommodate the courses. Unlike most housing developments, TV opted to use that lateral space for a dual purpose ... water detention and golf. Genius move.

The majority of the golf courses don't become "drainage areas", until we reach about a 25 year storm event ... once every 25 years. Other golf courses only flood in a 50 or 100 year storm. 1000's of acres of land, serving a dual purpose, that's likely to impact TV residents, once during the time they live in The Villages.. GENIUS !

Since there is very little outflow from the area to remove the water, also impressive is the huge volume of water they are spraying over the courses and along roadways to be absorbed and evaporated.

This may be why some courses that looking playable need to stay off line to help remove water.

coleprice 10-15-2024 06:42 AM

Most courses in The Villages have been cleaned up and are ready for play - Tees, Fairways & Greens are DRY and in Great Shape. Those that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, followed soon by courses whose ponds are lowered to acceptable levels.

dolphin 10-15-2024 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hdanielblank (Post 2378820)
I just read in another forum that The Villages has indicated that it will likely be another three weeks before any courses will be reopened. Is this true? If true, has this ever happened before in the history of The Villages. Do you think that this is fair recovery time given the "monster" nature of Milton or do you think they should be able to reopen a few executive and championship courses sooner? I haven't been here longer to have a valid opinion so I'd like to hear from you.

Not surprised. And that’s only some of the executive courses

Bill14564 10-15-2024 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by coleprice (Post 2379188)
Most courses in The Villages have been cleaned up and are ready for play - Tees, Fairways & Greens are DRY and in Great Shape. Those that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, followed soon by courses whose ponds are lowered to acceptable levels.

It's a shame you didn't attend the PWAC meeting yesterday to explain to the Manager for Executive Golf that he didn't know what he was talking about.

It's hard to reconcile your assessment with what my lying eyes are telling me about the debris I see on the courses, the water being sprayed on the courses, and the standing water covering paths and turning greens into islands.

ankeny 10-15-2024 07:17 AM

It would be nice if they used this time to aerate the greens instead of waiting until the courses open.

BrianL99 10-15-2024 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by coleprice (Post 2379188)
Most courses in The Villages have been cleaned up and are ready for play - Tees, Fairways & Greens are DRY and in Great Shape. Those that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, followed soon by courses whose ponds are lowered to acceptable levels.

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Originally Posted by ankeny (Post 2379210)
It would be nice if they used this time to aerate the greens instead of waiting until the courses open.


Perhaps The VIllages golf management should completely ignore common sense and good agronomy practices and allow posters on TOTV to make decisions about how to manage golf courses?

I'm sure that would work well.

Rocksnap 10-15-2024 07:37 AM

Sure as hell beats anyone’s house getting flooded. A small price to pay, any day of the week!

NotGolfer 10-15-2024 07:38 AM

I read these posts and it seems even with weather, golfing etc. "some" lose common sense. Just because it's not raining and the sun is shining---things don't go back to normal after hurricanes. Just be thankful you're not living on the coasts of FL or in the mountains of N.C.

SHIBUMI 10-15-2024 08:20 AM

Wow!
 
What a great opportunity to take some golf lessons and use the practices areas to improve your game. Golf is like getting into Carnegie Hall, you have to practice.
Your friends and other TV golfers would really appreciate your getting better at it.
Don't waste this opportunity. Put the you tube down and get out there. Sweet!


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Originally Posted by hdanielblank (Post 2378820)
I just read in another forum that The Villages has indicated that it will likely be another three weeks before any courses will be reopened. Is this true? If true, has this ever happened before in the history of The Villages. Do you think that this is fair recovery time given the "monster" nature of Milton or do you think they should be able to reopen a few executive and championship courses sooner? I haven't been here longer to have a valid opinion so I'd like to hear from you.


Birdrm 10-15-2024 08:44 AM

I live directly across from Red Fox Executive course and I took a walk around and it is certainly playable as even the low areas between tee and green have dried up now? They might be waiting for Grey Fox which is in a lower area in some spots and might still be wet?

TeresaE 10-15-2024 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hdanielblank (Post 2378820)
I just read in another forum that The Villages has indicated that it will likely be another three weeks before any courses will be reopened. Is this true? If true, has this ever happened before in the history of The Villages. Do you think that this is fair recovery time given the "monster" nature of Milton or do you think they should be able to reopen a few executive and championship courses sooner? I haven't been here longer to have a valid opinion so I'd like to hear from you.

Satellite and radar estimates, usually combined with stats from actual weather stations estimate that Hurricane Milton dumped 3.4 Trillion gallons of water on Florida. These analyses have a history of good accuracy and, if anything, can underplay the real numbers. That’s a lot of water. Let us all give thanks that our only “inconvenience” from Milton is closed golf courses.

ThirdOfFive 10-15-2024 09:08 AM

Judging from the increased vehicular traffic in the last ten days or so, I'd say there are a fair number of 'birds with their collective beaks out of joint over the closed courses.

4$ALE 10-15-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2379252)
I live directly across from Red Fox Executive course and I took a walk around and it is certainly playable as even the low areas between tee and green have dried up now? They might be waiting for Grey Fox which is in a lower area in some spots and might still be wet?

:shrug: I believe that is called "TRESPASSING". The golf courses are closed. :oops:

4$ALE 10-15-2024 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379213)
Perhaps The VIllages golf management should completely ignore common sense and good agronomy practices and allow posters on TOTV to make decisions about how to manage golf courses?

I'm sure that would work well.

:highfive:

I've learned in my 20 years full time here..... never say "How self-centered and arrogant can some people be?" ...... because they take it as a :censored: personal challenge.

Maker 10-15-2024 10:15 AM

HERE IS A PROBLEM SITUATION
Today, Golf courses are closed to dry out.
Ponds are being lowered by running irrigation on golf courses.
Adding more water daily.
That delays reopening for many weeks.
People are understanding, but they are not happy.

HERE IS A SOLUTION
What if everyone who uses pond water for irrigation (south areas only) were granted free use of that water for the month?
People would irrigate their lawns.
Pond levels would soon return to normal.
Golf courses would dry out very quickly without all that extra irrigation running continuously.

Golf could reopen in a week. That generates MONEY
People are happy playing golf again.
Everybody else is happy watering their lawns with free pond water.

Bill14564 10-15-2024 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2379300)
HERE IS A PROBLEM SITUATION
Today, Golf courses are closed to dry out.
Ponds are being lowered by running irrigation on golf courses.
Adding more water daily.
That delays reopening for many weeks.
People are understanding, but they are not happy.

HERE IS A SOLUTION
What if everyone who uses pond water for irrigation (south areas only) were granted free use of that water for the month?
People would irrigate their lawns.
Pond levels would soon return to normal.
Golf courses would dry out very quickly without all that extra irrigation running continuously.

Golf could reopen in a week. That generates MONEY
People are happy playing golf again.
Everybody else is happy watering their lawns with free pond water.

Three potential problems:
1. The money that is generated does not go back to the utility company to make up for what it would lose in water bills
2. The water being pumped onto the courses may be coming from ponds that are not connected to the wastewater treatment plants but not the household irrigation system
3. We're not out of hurricane season yet and saturating your ground before a storm, particularly a storm with wind, is unwise

Bogie Shooter 10-15-2024 10:29 AM

So many experts…………….

BrianL99 10-15-2024 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2379300)
HERE IS A PROBLEM SITUATION
Today, Golf courses are closed to dry out.
Ponds are being lowered by running irrigation on golf courses.
Adding more water daily.
That delays reopening for many weeks.
People are understanding, but they are not happy.

HERE IS A SOLUTION
What if everyone who uses pond water for irrigation (south areas only) were granted free use of that water for the month?
People would irrigate their lawns.
Pond levels would soon return to normal.
Golf courses would dry out very quickly without all that extra irrigation running continuously.

Golf could reopen in a week. That generates MONEY
People are happy playing golf again.
Everybody else is happy watering their lawns with free pond water.

It's amazing how dumb and incompetent District Management is. 40+ years of managing The Villages and all those golf courses and they've never figured this out.

Bruce Brown is the Asst. District Manager (& a 20 year USCG vet, so he knows water). Why not call him or email him and let him know your plan and get them started?

Please let us know how it all works out.

justjim 10-15-2024 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2378931)
Plenty of time to chill out when I die.

Best post so far.

I'm Popeye! 10-15-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2378829)
Yeah, right on, and don't forget I need credit for any rainy days where there were no points, oh and days that were cart path only as I don't golf those days, and any too cold days too and heat emergency over 95 degree days too. I need my $$ credits. /s

From what I understand from your post:
You don't ask for your money back when paying in advance on a canceled concert... :coolsmiley:

I'm Popeye! 10-15-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2379044)
As I posted in a similar thread:

A change of perspective regarding the golf courses... they are primarily water retention and detention areas. When the areas aren't in use for water storage, one is welcome to use the golf courses built within to make people think they have fine golf courses. It all balances out, one just needs to develop another hobby other than golf for the "closed" days.

They already do; they spend most of their time on here... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Marathon Man 10-15-2024 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 4$ALE (Post 2379282)
:highfive:

I've learned in my 20 years full time here..... never say "How self-centered and arrogant can some people be?" ...... because they take it as a :censored: personal challenge.

Well said.

Marathon Man 10-15-2024 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2379300)
HERE IS A PROBLEM SITUATION
Today, Golf courses are closed to dry out.
Ponds are being lowered by running irrigation on golf courses.
Adding more water daily.
That delays reopening for many weeks.
People are understanding, but they are not happy.

HERE IS A SOLUTION
What if everyone who uses pond water for irrigation (south areas only) were granted free use of that water for the month?
People would irrigate their lawns.
Pond levels would soon return to normal.
Golf courses would dry out very quickly without all that extra irrigation running continuously.

Golf could reopen in a week. That generates MONEY
People are happy playing golf again.
Everybody else is happy watering their lawns with free pond water.

Do you plan to take your idea to the policy makers? Sending it here will do nothing.

tophcfa 10-15-2024 11:05 AM

Reports from people who have played open courses outside the bubble would be greatly appreciated. Hoping to get out for a few rounds in the next couple weeks.

I'm Popeye! 10-15-2024 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bdeminico (Post 2379152)
Sounds like you should take up another hobby. Or use the "pay as you go" method

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Originally Posted by coleprice (Post 2379179)
I've checked out several of the courses and they are ready to be played. Fairways are clear and dry (as a bone). Tees and Greens look great. Most courses do not have overflowing ponds, so they are ready for play. To maintain its commitment to residents of The Villages', courses that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, while those courses with overflowing ponds should be ready for play within a week or two and reopened at that time.

I read somewhere that they are making the courses perfectly plush and waiting for the "Snowbirds" to arrive before they reopen.
Fake News: :jester:

tophcfa 10-15-2024 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2379330)
I read somewhere that they are making the course perfectly plush and waiting for the "Snowbirds" to arrive before they reopen.
Fake News: :jester:

Actually, they are waiting for the Snowbirds to arrive so they can Jack up the greens fees.

BrianL99 10-15-2024 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2379329)
Reports from people who have played open courses outside the bubble would be greatly appreciated. Hoping to get out for a few rounds in the next couple weeks.

There is not much to choose from, if you're looking for a quality course & conditions.

Juliette Falls is always in great condition. Not a great layout in my opinion, but in good shape.

Candler Hills is usually in ok condition, goofy layout.

Mission Inn has 1 great course, 1 ok course. Conditions have been spotty for the last couple of years.

Harbor Hills has a few good holes, but the conditions have always been awful when I've played there.

Normal 10-15-2024 11:47 AM

Great Chance to Explore Other Options
 
I enjoy courses outside the bubble too. It gives golfers a chance to experience new courses, dine at other places outside the villages and to meet new people.

Ocala and Orlando have great courses. But there are courses everywhere. The Continental, Pennebrooke, and Inverness just off the top of my head are all close and relatively cheap. If you really want to golf, the options are quite extensive and very affordable.

4$ALE 10-15-2024 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2379329)
Reports from people who have played open courses outside the bubble would be greatly appreciated. Hoping to get out for a few rounds in the next couple weeks.

;) Baker's Golf Center in Lanesborough, MA | Berkshires Outside :gc:

4$ALE 10-15-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2379325)
They already do; they spend most of their time on here... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

:BigApplause:

BrianL99 10-15-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 4$ALE (Post 2379352)

Driving range is too short, only 300 yards.

kkingston57 10-15-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaGuy66 (Post 2378835)
Does anyone have any recommendations on closeby courses outside of TV that are reasonably priced to play 9 or 18 holes?

Played Harbor Hills on 10-14. Dry but a lot of debris and rough was thick, but not any thicker than TV courses

kkingston57 10-15-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2378882)
Well said. People just don't seem to understand that costs don't go to zero when the courses are closed.

Worse, expenses higher. Tree companies are in demand and bet they are getting top dollar.

4$ALE 10-15-2024 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379355)
Driving range is too short, only 300 yards.

:icon_wink: I know..... I have to choke down on my irons. :1rotfl:

HORNET 10-15-2024 03:20 PM

In July of 2011, we got 9” on rain in 7 hours that started just before dusk.No storm, just a down pour. Course’s like Turtle Mound turned into one big pond. Bacall ran irrigation almost two weeks continuously. Golf Courses down for two weeks with some big restrictions afterwards! We just had a Hurricane, let them do THEIR Business!

TSO/ISPF 10-15-2024 05:19 PM

They would probably need software modification
 
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2379328)
Do you plan to take your idea to the policy makers? Sending it here will do nothing.

They probably can't do it because they have no way to give credit to people on their bills. Say they give everyone a 5 thousand gallon credit on their bill for the time they ask you to run your irrigation extra days. Changing the billing programs is not in the budget.

bsloan1960 10-15-2024 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2378821)
Just be thankful how well the system prevented flooding

The Question wasn't about gratitude or lack thereof. The question was specifically about seeking information about something important to the OP. Invalidating the person's concerns by suggesting they should practice gratitude in place of their curiosity shows an unbelievably judgemental attitude toward your fellow man. Do YOU have ANY day to day concerns? If so, forget them All and be grateful you didn't get flooded.

kcrazorbackfan 10-15-2024 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by coleprice (Post 2379179)
I've checked out several of the courses and they are ready to be played. Fairways are clear and dry (as a bone). Tees and Greens look great. Most courses do not have overflowing ponds, so they are ready for play. To maintain its commitment to residents of The Villages', courses that don't have overflowing ponds should be reopened immediately, while those courses with overflowing ponds should be ready for play within a week or two and reopened at that time.

Your best bet, sport, is to stay off the courses. Did you get permission to drive out there and check them out? Didn’t think so.

kcrazorbackfan 10-15-2024 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2379307)
So many experts…………….

With so little sense…..


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