PVC half pipes in golf holes

Closed Thread
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 08-12-2020, 09:05 AM
golfing eagles golfing eagles is offline
Sage
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: The Villages
Posts: 12,225
Thanks: 819
Thanked 12,910 Times in 4,143 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com View Post
I don’t agree with you about getting rid of them. I think there is a valid reason to keep them. Having said that, I think they need to be cut down so they don’t interfere with the natural path of the ball. I played a Disney course the other day and the pvc was in the cup but it is a smaller diameter and cut about an inch below the hole opening. It was a pleasure to see the ball go in as intended.

If you want this to happen here, send a note to the Golf and Tennis team. They often take suggestions. Another option is to mention it to the Golf Pro at any of the Championship courses.

Complaining doesn’t help. Suggesting alternatives does.
Please clarify: What is the "valid reason"? And don't reply that COVID can be transmitted in that fashion, the previous poster is correct that outdoor surface to human transmission is essentially 0%
  #32  
Old 08-12-2020, 09:14 AM
Dilligas Dilligas is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 363
Thanks: 0
Thanked 329 Times in 155 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com View Post
I don’t agree with you about getting rid of them. I think there is a valid reason to keep them. Having said that, I think they need to be cut down so they don’t interfere with the natural path of the ball. I played a Disney course the other day and the pvc was in the cup but it is a smaller diameter and cut about an inch below the hole opening. It was a pleasure to see the ball go in as intended.

If you want this to happen here, send a note to the Golf and Tennis team. They often take suggestions. Another option is to mention it to the Golf Pro at any of the Championship courses.

Complaining doesn’t help. Suggesting alternatives does.
A better solution would be to cut the pvc down to halve the height of the cup liner...that way when the hole doesn't get set correctly, or on a slope, the pvc will still be at least 1 inch below the surface. Cane Garden did this and it works perfectly, no pvc missed putts.
  #33  
Old 08-12-2020, 09:38 AM
kcrazorbackfan's Avatar
kcrazorbackfan kcrazorbackfan is offline
Sage
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: The Villages, FL
Posts: 3,473
Thanks: 237
Thanked 1,558 Times in 507 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandygolfW View Post
Why do PVC pipes remain in Golf holes ?
352-753-3396; Golf Administration; saves a lot of time getting nonsensical answers on TOTV.
__________________
If you see something that’s not right, say something.
  #34  
Old 08-12-2020, 10:30 AM
MercerLunatic MercerLunatic is offline
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 17
Thanks: 17
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
Default

They have kept the courses from closing from covid. You can reach down and pick up your ball with 2 fingers and not touch the flag or the pvc. The daily cases in the Villages and surrounding areas is still increasing every day. I'm for any actions that help keeping the disease from being spread. Be happy you are able to complain about something so insignificent as the pcv in the holes instead of being in a hospital hooked up to a breathing machine, fighting for your life
  #35  
Old 08-12-2020, 10:40 AM
Indydealmaker's Avatar
Indydealmaker Indydealmaker is offline
Soaring Eagle member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bonita
Posts: 2,372
Thanks: 143
Thanked 288 Times in 154 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kansasr View Post
Because 277 new deaths from COVID-19 were reported in Florida today.
These deaths were not necessarily "from" COVID19. They were attributed to COVID19.
__________________
Real Name: Steven Massy Arrived at TV through Greenwood, IN; Moss Beach, CA; La Grange, KY; Crystal River, FL; The Villages, FL
  #36  
Old 08-12-2020, 10:48 AM
riamd1954 riamd1954 is offline
Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 70
Thanks: 80
Thanked 53 Times in 28 Posts
Default

Agree
  #37  
Old 08-12-2020, 10:48 AM
blueash's Avatar
blueash blueash is offline
Sage
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,212
Thanks: 238
Thanked 3,143 Times in 829 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indydealmaker View Post
These deaths were not necessarily "from" COVID19. They were attributed to COVID19.
Which means that all those deaths would not have happened per the informed and educated judgement of the attending physician or the county coroner had the person not caught Covid. But I am certain you know more than they do about filling in death certificates and the primary and contributory causes of someone's death.
  #38  
Old 08-12-2020, 10:58 AM
blueash's Avatar
blueash blueash is offline
Sage
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,212
Thanks: 238
Thanked 3,143 Times in 829 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by golfing eagles View Post
Please clarify: What is the "valid reason"? And don't reply that COVID can be transmitted in that fashion, the previous poster is correct that outdoor surface to human transmission is essentially 0%
While I am sure you know more about the essentially zero rate than I do, the no touching of the flag is not only happening here. The PGA tour has the caddies wiping down the flagstick after each touch. Even if the rate is essentially zero, if it is not actually zero what is the problem with erring on the side of caution? This is one of those examples in life where the risk benefit ratio is easy to calculate. The risk of being careful is zero, the benefit of being careful may be above zero. Being careful wins.
__________________
Men plug the dikes of their most needed beliefs with whatever mud they can find. - Clifford Geertz
  #39  
Old 08-12-2020, 11:08 AM
Indydealmaker's Avatar
Indydealmaker Indydealmaker is offline
Soaring Eagle member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bonita
Posts: 2,372
Thanks: 143
Thanked 288 Times in 154 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueash View Post
Which means that all those deaths would not have happened per the informed and educated judgement of the attending physician or the county coroner had the person not caught Covid. But I am certain you know more than they do about filling in death certificates and the primary and contributory causes of someone's death.
There is substantial documentation to show that the CDC directed doctors and hospitals to label a death as a Covid death if the patient tested positive. Even traffic deaths have been recorded as Covid deaths in this instance. You would not know this if your only source of information came from MSM. Keep in mind that the monitoring of this disease and its treatment is directed by government agencies. Accordingly, inefficiencies are endemic.
__________________
Real Name: Steven Massy Arrived at TV through Greenwood, IN; Moss Beach, CA; La Grange, KY; Crystal River, FL; The Villages, FL
  #40  
Old 08-12-2020, 11:26 AM
golfing eagles golfing eagles is offline
Sage
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: The Villages
Posts: 12,225
Thanks: 819
Thanked 12,910 Times in 4,143 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueash View Post
Which means that all those deaths would not have happened per the informed and educated judgement of the attending physician or the county coroner had the person not caught Covid. But I am certain you know more than they do about filling in death certificates and the primary and contributory causes of someone's death.
Not necessarily true. But I AM certain I know more about filling out death certificates than most. Most states will ask for primary cause of death, then "due to" and another "due to" followed by a "contributing factor". So it typically looks like this:

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest
due to: Coronary Artery Disease
due to: Atherosclerotic Heart Disease
Contributed by: Coronavirus COVID-19

The problem is that we cannot tell if this death was DUE TO Covid-19 or if the virus was just incidental. However, for each death, and for that matter hospitalization, that mentions COVID-19 anywhere, the hospital receives a national average of $13,000 more in reimbursement. You can guarantee that everyone getting admitted is getting tested, and all positives are clearly mentioned on the death certificate or on the hospital bill. As a result, not too many parties are interested in accurate numbers---certainly not the hospitals, certainly not the media, and certainly not anyone/group with a vested interest in promoting the number of deaths.

That being said, this is the most serious pandemic in quite some time, and caution is clearly indicated. But in the case of a flagstick outdoors the Oregon Dept. of Health did a study of 1380 cases and found that AT MOST, outdoor transmission is 0.07 %, which would imply 0 from a flagstick. Personally, I would take that risk if necessary, however, I just don't see a good reason to touch the flagstick at this time

Finally, everyone please remember to get your annual flu shot---it will do far more to save your life than a PVC pipe in a golf hole
  #41  
Old 08-12-2020, 11:32 AM
bxmt54's Avatar
bxmt54 bxmt54 is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: East Alton, IL (near St. Louis, Mo), Duval, St. James and hopefully lastly Collier
Posts: 149
Thanks: 13
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Default

A lot of people like them so they can say the got a hole in one when the ball touches the pipe. Never has there been as many hole-in-ones in the paper since the pipe was put in place. I’ve seen people say they got 2 hole-in-one’s during the same game in the paper! It’s a miracle...maybe the pros should try it.
  #42  
Old 08-12-2020, 11:51 AM
Andyhope Andyhope is offline
Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 65
Thanks: 2
Thanked 32 Times in 18 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bjeanj View Post
Umm, because the courses don’t want people to constantly handle the flags due to COVID?
Thank you bjean🤪🤪
  #43  
Old 08-12-2020, 12:39 PM
Danz654 Danz654 is offline
Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 18
Thanks: 10
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Default

Plastic should be cut to a certain height , to avoid riding the top and going by
  #44  
Old 08-12-2020, 01:54 PM
Jazzman Jazzman is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 176
Thanks: 124
Thanked 148 Times in 89 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don5154 View Post
90%......where do you get your facts from? My guess same place as the major news outlets. When in doubt.....just make it up !
By your response it appears to me that you don’t golf here in the villages and if you do you don’t play multiple courses. I play 3x per week at three championship courses and different courses all over the villages. The issue is based on my experience, the pvc pieces are not all cut to the same length, sometimes from hole to hole and other times from course to course. The golf cup holes are all the same depth, that’s the rule, but as stated the height of the pvc pipe is not cut consistently which at times causes the ball to roll around hole and pop out.
  #45  
Old 08-12-2020, 03:27 PM
George Page George Page is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 176
Thanks: 107
Thanked 456 Times in 114 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by golfing eagles View Post
Classic example of post hoc ergo propter hoc----literally "after this therefore because of this", the motto of those afflicted with faulty cause/effect reasoning.
FALACY? Try to convince the the 551,000 who tested positive in Florida and the families of the 8,764 who died In Florida that attempts to control the spread of COVID-19 are a waste of time and effort.
Attached Thumbnails
The Villages Florida: Click image for larger version

Name:	5CE99D19-5F7E-4A5F-8277-2DA71DADC6FB.png
Views:	355
Size:	156.7 KB
ID:	85724  
Closed Thread

Tags
pvc, pipes, golf, holes, half

Thread Tools

You are viewing a new design of the TOTV site. Click here to revert to the old version.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 AM.