I have to agree. Played Heron yesterday and it really is obvious someone goes to to great lengths to make it almost impossible to get to the cup. I can see one or two tough pin placements but not all. Someone needs to supervise the people doing this.

Au contraire: Its because I love the game and respect its challenges that I do not complain about it being unfair. I suspect your comments may apply to some but not all. and just because someone does not complain about a green not mowed etc doesn't me they don't know or don't care. It may mean to them, that's the lot a drew today. I did my best. I'll mention the missed mowing to the starter.

Keep in mind that these courses get a lot of play. Keep in mind that the same people that cut a hole for pin placement are the same guys that set the tees at the tee box and they miss there also because they are not professionals caretakers on a PGA played course. BUT the person ultimately responsible for my golf game is ME.

Personal Best Regards>

PS I don't do do overs either.

Let's see. You have all the time it takes to get set up, wear your Sunday best to play in, ride up to the ball to hit it, can use range finder to determine distance, control over the which club to use, can look see which way the wind blowing, take practice swing, and alien up the shot. Now it unfair to where the pin placed so you don't shoot bad score.


Give me break! This is too funny

Pin placement often reflects the attitude of the person doing the placing. It sounds like the Escambria experience reflected a really bad karma day. BTW, complaints regarding Executive Courses are best directed to the Community Development District, specifically to Eric Van Gorder (753-3396) who is responsible for executive course maintenance, and who responds directly to John Rohan. At that level, you might influence the quality of golf here.

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Sorry but this is one thread where I won't take the advice of a poster named Bogie Shooter! I hope you have a sense or humor! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree PB. I never in my wildest dreams thought there could so much discussion and opinions about a four inch hole in the ground. I'll keep on putting towards the four inch hole in the ground wherever it may be until I've been put'ed into a 6 foot hole in the ground!

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I saw that situation on #1 on Volusia a few months ago; the hole was on the slope between the tiers. Uphill putts either went in or rolled back down. Downhill putts had no chance and then you putted uphill just to have your putts roll back down. Tee times were delayed because of many putts. Bad choice for pin placement by the groundskeepers.

1. Most beginners (and probably a % of "seasoned" executive course golfers) have no idea what you're talking about or don't care; they're just looking for a tee time anywhere.
2. Training on golf etiquette and slow play? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
3. Practicing more? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Very few of them will ever give up that stiff arm backswing with the club pointed almost straight up in the air, their body sliding backward and looking like a ballerina coming up on the toes of their left foot; their downswing then starts with the forward slide while attempting to get the left heel back down all the while keeping their arms stiff and swiping at the ball pushing a worm burner dead right travelling maybe 50yds. Have I gotten their swing pretty spot on?
4. Every time the carts stop, conversations begin regarding absolutely nothing relevant about golf, or even life in general.
5. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ambassadors treat players with the utmost respect and make suggestions in the most gentlest way and people will postpone getting that after round drink to complain to the golf shop about how disrespectful the ambassadors were to them.

A large % of the guys that cut the pins probably never play the game.

If you enjoy golf on unkempt courses, that is good for you. If you don't mind waiting 10 minutes on each tee because of slow play, more power to you. I know many people who have no problem playing tennis with old tennis balls. But better tennis players open a new can every time they step onto the court. It makes for a better experience for the better player. I think this is the same for golf, or for any sport. To each his own.

"A lot of play" does not excuse lack of respect for the course and other players. Pitch marks on the greens, and footprints in bunkers have nothing to do with the number of players. It has everything to do with inconsiderate and disrespectful players. And it doesn't take a professional caretaker on a PGA played course to take a little interest in understanding the proper pin placements. I blame the manager for not making sure his/her employees understand the basics of pin placement, cutting holes, and setting tees.

So true.

Wow! What a response ,thank you all for your comments on my job's importance. You go out in the dark each morning attempting to find ways to make the course both challenging and fun and sometimes it feels like nobody notices. The thought and preparation that we put in trying to insure that each of us has a memorable golfing experience goes on most of the night and day.
First let me apologize to this fellow villager and his group for my shortcomings of not making his day more relaxing and fun. Just a couple of weeks back we were fighting to keep these greens playable! We were coming n 2,3 4 in the am spraying ,watering,aerating the greens to rid them of black spots,bare spots, due to the short days, cold nights and extreme amount of play. Here in the villages we never have an off day. We have about 200 to 400 golfers,up 800 steps waliking the greens and it's extremely challenging to keep the conditions near perfect. Take up north ,our course was closed on Mondays ,winter and early spring and fall so we could do all our catch up maintenance. Not here we have more play than any other place in the world! Everyday we rotate the holes front ,middle, back. We move the pins left to right. Since we were struggling to keep the greens playable I was moving the holes to side positions so to relieve the large portion of the greens so they could return to the wonderful condition they are in today. I do love a challenge when I golf but will take into consideration some folks need for relaxation. We do try and get the feel of for the course,what was the intent of the designer? Place the pins to the side of a trap, front or back? Water hazards place the pin to the front near the hazard or take it out of play.? These are thoughts that cross my mind at 5am in the dark moving from green to green. We are advised to take 2 large steps from the fringe for hole placement and we are advised not to place holes on an extreme slope. Pictures are posted in the office as to not place holes in areas of unfair placement positions. For instance #9 on escambia we are not to place the hole in the center of the green in the middle the slope ,same for volusia #1. We do have young folks and persons working unfamiliar with the beautiful game of golf who are learning so please try to be understanding. I golf as many different courses here and must bite my lip when I see a hole cut short,pin unable to place in the hole,or tee markers sticking out of the ground,but I look into the big bright beautiful sky anf thank my lucky stars I still have the health and fortunate luck to be here!
We have the busiest hard working golf superintendents in the world who get little time off work night and day so we all can have the most memorable ,challenging fun day of this great game of golf.
Again my apologies to this fellow villager and his group. I will make every attempt to keep all your comments with me as I arise at 4am to make all your days a pleasurable day of golf!

:024: Thanks for this perspective.

You sound like you're not enjoying your job anymore.