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Stu from NYC 04-07-2025 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2421928)
If GF had 8 figures in assets, she would be DW instead of GF. Not holding my breath.

For the acronym challenged: GF=girlfriend DW=dear wife

SIL = son in law

CoachKandSportsguy 04-07-2025 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2421928)
If GF had 8 figures in assets, she would be DW instead of GF. Not holding my breath.

:mademyday:

Pugchief 04-07-2025 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2421943)
SIL = son in law

Unless it's sister-in-law.....

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2421780)
Amazing how many people never realize that.

Not having an inheritance tax allows small and large empires to be built.

Stu from NYC 04-07-2025 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2421957)
Not having an inheritance tax allows small and large empires to be built.

The funds have already been taxed by the fed govt. How many times should the govt tax the same funds

Pugchief 04-07-2025 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2421957)
Not having an inheritance tax allows small and large empires to be built.

Why should one's heirs have to pay taxes on money that was already taxed? Pretty sure I'd rather my family get my estate than the tax man. You are free to bequeath your assets to Uncle Sam if that's your inclination, but it's not mine.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2421805)
I will believe all the hype when the US companies that moved their businesses abroad for the cheap labor and increased profits, bring their industries back home.
I am of the opinion that the wrong horse is being flogged.

That moving abroad thing was to avoid labor unions and took 30 or more years to finish. It can NOT be reversed in 3.5 years. So something else must be the motivation.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2421823)
High corporate taxes forced them abroad, taxes will also force them to return. They are just doing the loop.

Actually, they went abroad to avoid labor unions and safety rules for workers.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2421857)
They moved overseas because it is much cheaper to manufacture overseas. Not because of taxes.

They moved overseas for greed, less regulations. The last thing they worried about was what was RIGHT for the American people. And WHY did the Federal Government not stop them?

MrFlorida 04-07-2025 04:12 PM

Well it's Monday, where is the big crash ? More media hype than anything else.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2421897)
This is "Not Your Father's Oldsmobile."

That old advertising slogan floated into my mind this morning.

People like to pretend -- or actually have been convinced to think this is normal. It is not. Not even close. This mess is growing arms and legs every day that will reach into every aspect of the economy in negative ways -- if common sense does not prevail. Soon.

Have you read the details about our new vulnerability?

Last week our national cybersecurity was put under greater risk with that impulsive firing. We are now more vulnerable to our enemies who would love a bloodless -- and cheap -- war that would collapse us. Not just our money, as it floats around in cyberspace, but our electricity and water, the grid, all the normal things we take for granted. I never used to think much about our country's cybersecurity. I figured brainiacs somewhere in our government had it under control, no matter who was in office. Now? Oh my, yes. I am worried.

Btw, If you remember that Oldsmobile ad, then you also remember what happened to Oldsmobile.......

Boomer

I especially agree with the 1st part - that this mess will continue to tear apart the economy. Then like "Humpty Dumpty" it will take a long time to put it back together.......if ever.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2421918)
100% correct. Americans have become addicted to cheap prices with little regard to the quality. Until the US can produce products that compete on price the level of manufacturing in this country will stay virtually unchanged. After the pandemic problems with supply chain, it was touted that mass movements of manufacturing were going to come back to the US. That mass move has not happened, so what know would make manufacturers bring work back to the US?

The Government could ENCOURAGE jobs and industry to come back. Industry could use AI and robotics to make the products cheaper than in China.

jimjamuser 04-07-2025 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2421964)
Why should one's heirs have to pay taxes on money that was already taxed? Pretty sure I'd rather my family get my estate than the tax man. You are free to bequeath your assets to Uncle Sam if that's your inclination, but it's not mine.

To answer your 1st question.........to prevent Democracy leading to Dictatorship. That's what the tax system is supposed to do - prevent one generation passing wealth down to the next generation. Historically, that is the reason that people sailed to the Americas from Europe. You get Kings when wealth passes from one generation to another. Strangely enough, if you LOVE freedom.......you want inheritance taxes because it keeps a country free AND the American ideal is that each generation MUST earn its own wealth....not be spoon-fed by their parents.

Taltarzac725 04-07-2025 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2421976)
The Government could ENCOURAGE jobs and industry to come back. Industry could use AI and robotics to make the products cheaper than in China.

The crux of the matter is how long would it take to put in place the massive infrastructure-- housing, irrigation, drinkable water supply, public transportation and an untold number of other things to get the US to get all the parts needed for the manufacturing of all the stuff that is now blocked by these tariffs. They would also need schools, churches, grocery and other stores as well as restaurants.

Maybe invading Greenland would work but that would take probably decades to get all the roads and such up to basically wreck the beauty of Greenland by extensive and very deep mining. And they would have to counter the very probable terrorist attacks coming from the native Greenlanders.

manaboutown 04-07-2025 05:13 PM

Happy Monday! All went well. I nibbled a little, not much, and am ready for more when the price is right. Shiller Index is now at 31.25 so it is too early to jump in with both feet, or even one, but putting a toe in felt OK.

What I find amusing is that after the reciprocal tariffs were introduced and Mr Market went a little nuts my brokers started sending out mass emails meant to soothe their customers. Handholding during volatility.

Altavia 04-07-2025 05:29 PM

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Plenty of wise advise here, not the first time.

Normal 04-07-2025 05:45 PM

Wreck the Beauty?
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2421982)
The crux of the matter is how long would it take to put in place the massive infrastructure, housing, irrigation, drinkable water supply, public transportation and an untold number of other things to get the US to get all the parts needed for the manufacturing of all the stuff that is now blocked by these tariffs. They would also need schools, churches, grocery and other stores as well as restaurants.

Maybe invading Greenland would work but that would take probably decades to get all the roads and such up to basically wreck the beauty of Greenland by extensive and very deep mining. And they would have to counter the very probable terrorist attacks coming from the native Greenlanders.

There isn’t a whole lot of beauty in Greenland. There is plenty of ice and are miles of stubby frozen trees though. I guess some of the rocks are nice? Summer is kind of warm, it can get up to 50 on some days.

Caymus 04-07-2025 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2421992)
Plenty of wise advise here, not the first time.

And some of it may even be correct:D:D:D:D:

MorTech 04-07-2025 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2421937)
Today's market can not always be measured by old tools............things are different.

:sigh:

Yes...15 PE is historically overvalued but adjusted higher now for USA being the dominate capital market...By far.

MorTech 04-07-2025 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2421823)
High corporate taxes forced them abroad, taxes will also force them to return. They are just doing the loop.

I think they left due to the political terrorism of the regulatory state more so than tax rate. With the Chevron Deference overturned they have incentive to come back despite tax theft. The tariffs are additional incentive. Business tax should be 0% since it is just an additional tax on income of productive individuals. We get taxed twice and most people can't figure that one out.

kingofbeer 04-07-2025 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2421918)
100% correct. Americans have become addicted to cheap prices with little regard to the quality. Until the US can produce products that compete on price the level of manufacturing in this country will stay virtually unchanged. After the pandemic problems with supply chain, it was touted that mass movements of manufacturing were going to come back to the US. That mass move has not happened, so what know would make manufacturers bring work back to the US?

TV'S produced today overseas are high quality, appliances are good too.

kingofbeer 04-07-2025 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2421964)
Why should one's heirs have to pay taxes on money that was already taxed? Pretty sure I'd rather my family get my estate than the tax man. You are free to bequeath your assets to Uncle Sam if that's your inclination, but it's not mine.

Unrealized capital gains inherited by heirs have not been taxed yet.

kingofbeer 04-07-2025 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2421965)
That moving abroad thing was to avoid labor unions and took 30 or more years to finish. It can NOT be reversed in 3.5 years. So something else must be the motivation.

They moved overseas because it was more profitable for the companies. Labor unions are still very active in the US.

kingofbeer 04-07-2025 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2421981)
To answer your 1st question.........to prevent Democracy leading to Dictatorship. That's what the tax system is supposed to do - prevent one generation passing wealth down to the next generation. Historically, that is the reason that people sailed to the Americas from Europe. You get Kings when wealth passes from one generation to another. Strangely enough, if you LOVE freedom.......you want inheritance taxes because it keeps a country free AND the American ideal is that each generation MUST earn its own wealth....not be spoon-fed by their parents.

Taxes are to keep the government running. You are referring to an inheritance tax. The first $13,990,000 of an estate is exempt from federal estate taxes. So you probably don't have to worry about that.

kingofbeer 04-07-2025 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2422004)
I think they left due to the political terrorism of the regulatory state more so than tax rate. With the Chevron Deference overturned they have incentive to come back despite tax theft. The tariffs are additional incentive. Business tax should be 0% since it is just an additional tax on income of productive individuals. We get taxed twice and most people can't figure that one out.

Many large corporations pay zero income tax.

buzzy 04-07-2025 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2421762)
We all came into this world with nothing, and it looks like we'll all go out the same way.

I just don't want to be down to nothing way before I go out.

Taltarzac725 04-07-2025 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2421982)
The crux of the matter is how long would it take to put in place the massive infrastructure-- housing, irrigation, drinkable water supply, public transportation and an untold number of other things to get the US to get all the parts needed for the manufacturing of all the stuff that is now blocked by these tariffs. They would also need schools, churches, grocery and other stores as well as restaurants.

Maybe invading Greenland would work but that would take probably decades to get all the roads and such up to basically wreck the beauty of Greenland by extensive and very deep mining. And they would have to counter the very probable terrorist attacks coming from the native Greenlanders.

You would also need hospitals, cemeteries or some such place for remembrances, prisons, police and fire stations, etc.

manaboutown 04-07-2025 09:30 PM

All is well. Be happy!

fdpaq0580 04-07-2025 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2422026)
All is well. Be happy!

Actually, all is not well. But I will still be happy. 😉🙂

Taltarzac725 04-07-2025 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2422033)
Actually, all is not well. But I will still be happy. 😉🙂

It is kind of a situation that is FUBAR.

J1ceasar 04-08-2025 05:20 AM

Big deal
 
According to every single expert that I know and our age you're only supposed to have 20 to 30% of your assets in the market according to the 100-year rule which means deduct your age from 100 and that's the amount of percentage you should have risking in the market.
Besides if you live in The villages you're all supposed to be rich

It's a great time to be buying if you want to stock average your price.
Thankfully I only invest in gold-plated tchotchkes

J1ceasar 04-08-2025 05:22 AM

Because it's supposed to stop wealth from accumulating unendingly and to distribute some of the assets from the rich to the poor. England has had this problem for centuries when money goes to the family but they keep dying off and it gets taxed and taxed and taxed. It's a very common plot in English movies and books

J1ceasar 04-08-2025 05:23 AM

Unfortunately in America everyone has decided they want to earn enough to be upper middle class even though they're doing a job anyone can actually do and I'm not insulting those people

rsmurano 04-08-2025 05:34 AM

Fear mongering at its finest. So what if the market goes down! It’s a buying opportunity for some of us.

How did you do during the 2020 covid downturn? Panicked? Shouldn’t have, we all knew that it was going to be a “v” shaped down and up and in a little over a few months, not a few years. The saying goes: “even a 9 year old knew this” and it was true.

If anybody is panicking because of this kind of downturn, you shouldn’t be in the market. This is when you can make good money. Your portfolio should be setup so you don’t have to sell 1 share to live on during these downturns.

Many many people will make millions over this. I got out late last year and I’m glad I did. I’ve been trickling putting money back in but still waiting for the true “pivot” point on when to be fully vested.

Cindy Conwell 04-08-2025 05:35 AM

What next;2421805
 
Regarding "wrong horse being flogged." Manufacturing left the US for lower costs. We all have to agree on paying more to get it back. How much worse are we willing to take, to bring back decent paying jobs? I don't think we're willing to go that low...

rsmurano 04-08-2025 06:06 AM

Why do you think we will pay more in the long run? Do you really think this move is for us to pay more? You’re way off! We still have Trumps 1st term tariffs in place today, has that made us more poor? Nobody even knows these still are in place. My prediction is that our most traded-with countries will be negotiating for 0% tariffs, for both us and them. Do you think it’s fair for our farmers/auto makers/or any manufacturer in the US to have countries apply tariffs on our products? Of course not and that’s what’s going on now. FREE trade between everybody is the goal then everyone benefits.

RoboVil 04-08-2025 06:31 AM

Looks like Black Monday never materialized. Tuesday futures are way up.

rsmurano 04-08-2025 06:42 AM

And tomorrow can be way down! Today might be the start for a recovery or that date could be months down the road. We need to get some real hard facts that some of these 50-70 countries have actually negotiated 0% tariffs, or when our GDP goes up, then let the floodgates open.
This is some of the things I’m looking at before making any changes.

Andyb 04-08-2025 06:56 AM

Market
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2421738)
Hold on to your tutus, Black Monday has been forecasted.
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Futures Sunday evening are down 1700 points in a few short hours. Forecasts are at 22% on reduction of stock values.

Sorry to disappoint, didn’t happen, NASDQ was up.

rustyp 04-08-2025 06:59 AM

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