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jimjamuser 12-03-2022 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2163072)
It's the mining that takes up all the energy. Not the trading. Once all of the bitcoins have been mined (about 120 years from now) most of that disappears. FYI, only 2 million more bitcoins will ever be mined. 19 million have already been mined.

El Salvador is working on mining bitcoins using thermal energy from volcanos. They are close to issuing Bitcoin backed bonds referred to as "volcano bonds".

More and more mining is done using excess energy that gets wasted otherwise. Flared gas from drilling, excess hydro power that can't be used, etc.

No doubt it uses a lot of energy though.

In a world with many energy problems such as having a finite amount of fossil fuel and a growing world population with no moderation in sight - most of Europe facing harsh freezing winter conditions - Russia being in control of Ukraine's largest nuclear plant with fighting all around it. It seems to me like a bad time to be wasting large amounts of energy on the competition to mine more cryptocurrency at the fastest rate for a relatively small number of investors in a product that may not even be a useful product and might just be techno-gambling.

Obviously, I am not a crypto expert and never saw a need to be one. But, the more I read about it the more I think that people should run away from the concept and that governments should regulate cryptocurrency.

ithos 12-03-2022 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2163146)
In a world with many energy problems such as having a finite amount of fossil fuel and a growing world population with no moderation in sight - most of Europe facing harsh freezing winter conditions - Russia being in control of Ukraine's largest nuclear plant with fighting all around it. It seems to me like a bad time to be wasting large amounts of energy on the competition to mine more cryptocurrency at the fastest rate for a relatively small number of investors in a product that may not even be a useful product and might just be techno-gambling.

Obviously, I am not a crypto expert and never saw a need to be one. But, the more I read about it the more I think that people should run away from the concept and that governments should regulate cryptocurrency.

I agree. It is a monumental waste of natural and human resources that has made just as many people poorer than more wealthy. Caveat emptor.

DylanTodd 12-03-2022 09:21 PM

curious about crypto?
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on bitcoin & cryptocurrencies in general and a special thank you to those who posed insightful & thoughtful questions.

Did you know we have a crypto currency club here in the Villages? We have an active member base that welcomes beginners & intermediates. There are 3 ways to get involved:

1. Happy hours! We actually have one tomorrow from 3pm to 5pm on Sunday Dec 4th at Glenview country club. Every two weeks we rotate around to a different country club to catch up and chat in person.

2. We hold virtual meeting every Saturday morning from 8am to 930am covering important crypto news articles for the week.

3. We hold monthly in person meetings at a rec center. Currently Water Lily and transitioning to Ezell in the new year.

If you would like further information reach out to me at dylanwaynetodd@gmail.com

JP 12-03-2022 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2162582)
You can do whatever you want to do in an unregulated business environment. Some people demand less government, less regulation, and less “red tape.” They got that for which they asked.

This goofball broke the law that was in place and deserves jail time along with his girl friend.

Boston-Sean 12-04-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PJackpot (Post 2162935)
But here's the other thing...if you had invested in Berkshire Hathaway instead of Apple, you would probably would have retired a lot earlier.

Just pulled up a chart of BRK-A for the last 20 years. On June 1st 2005 the price was $83,150.

It closed on Friday at $477, 403 which is 5.75X the price in 2005. Are there special dividends that Berkshire issues or some other compensation to shareholders I'm missing that would make that 5.75X return come close to Apples return?

Caymus 12-04-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 2163170)
This goofball broke the law that was in place and deserves jail time along with his girl friend.

Congress will hold hearings shortly - see if he shows. Reports claim that his "girlfriend" is on her way to Dubai (no extradition treaty).

ithos 12-04-2022 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2163017)
you should catch the episode of billions where all that happened

I looked up and watched a condensed version of the video.

BITCOIN on TV Show BILLIONS: Entire Episode is About an Attorney General Trying to Get Access to a Billionaire'''s Bitcoin Cold Storage...were they successful? Watch : Bitcoin

I am sure they took creative license in the show.

But I am curious how many would be willing to put a substantial part of their savings in such a device? To acquire the crypto and storing the device along with the seed phrase seems to be more risk and hassle than most would want to deal with.

Perhaps someone is out there that could make a compelling argument for cold storage.

Pilodent 12-04-2022 06:13 PM

Imho?

Pilodent 12-04-2022 06:27 PM

Backed by what?

Aces4 12-04-2022 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilodent (Post 2163359)
Backed by what?

Please link your posts by quoting them so we can follow the train of conversation.

JMintzer 12-04-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilodent (Post 2163352)
Imho?

Are you asking what that means?

If so: In My Humble/Honest Opinion...

manaboutown 12-04-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2163222)
Just pulled up a chart of BRK-A for the last 20 years. On June 1st 2005 the price was $83,150.

It closed on Friday at $477, 403 which is 5.75X the price in 2005. Are there special dividends that Berkshire issues or some other compensation to shareholders I'm missing that would make that 5.75X return come close to Apples return?

Well I bought some BRK (BRK-A now) at about $3,000/share back in the mid 1980s. I also bought some Apple a little later. No complaints about either one. I am happy with both!

PJackpot 12-05-2022 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2162966)
Only took him 30 years to change his mind... Well after Apple had far surpassed anyone's expectations...

A bit late to the party, if you ask me...

The key words being "surpassed anyone's expectations", implying most investors did not think Apple would be that successful, if at all. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback new startup companies after the fact. Buffett jumped into Apple at roughly $40 a share, once he realized their market potential and understood the business they were in . He also was late to the party, as probably is your opinion, with Amazon at $94 a share. Both solid investments at the time he got in, and have had substantial returns since then; but those companies could have crashed just as easily as they blossomed (It took Amazon a number of years before they were showing a profit). You call him late to the party, I call him cautious; but if you're one of those that are willing to accept the risks you take jumping in early, good for you. Go for it. When I was younger before I started to listen to guys like Buffett, I invested in what I thought was a solid spin off from At&t by the name of Lucent Technologies. Thought it was a solid tech stock. What could go wrong, right? Yeah, that worked. $140 a share to under $2. Fortunately, I was younger and able to work through the loss. Not so much these days. Say what you will about Warren Buffett, but his advice is as solid as his track record and his current class A stock price, which is over $470,000 a share. Certainly, one of the most successful investors in my lifetime. I'd take his comments very seriously before jumping into something that hasn't yet been established, especially when it comes to things like cryptocurrency, and I'm glad I have. And, that's all I have to say about that. :smiley:


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