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graciegirl 05-09-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1941686)
Gracie — that’s not a “feeling” about Elon Musk — it is true. Last night on SNL he told everybody he has Asperger’s.

Those with Asperger Syndrome are sometimes in the highest level of genius category — but often misunderstood. I am fascinated by genius. Did some of my masters writing on how schools don’t know what to do with those rare, socially inept, genius kids — who can be found from every walk of life. Kids like that are rarely even recognized as genius and can end up with unfair labels that relegate them to a category in which they do not belong. (Geez. Don’t get me started on how truly brilliant kids can quickly become the most neglected kids in the education system. I believe so much of their potential is lost because their level of intelligence is so rare and their behavior is not always “normal” and very few educators “get” them. These are the kids who are very different from just the “regular smart” kids.)

That other famous one you mentioned is not on the spectrum and not anywhere near the same category as Elon Musk in any way. But more info on that one can be found in the DSM.

I gotta get outa here. Social plans today. Don’t really want to continue to engage in amateur psychoanalysis that will devolve into the same ol’ same ol’.

(If you catch the Elon Musk clip from SNL, he makes a perfect, insightful comment about his Asperger’s that starts with saying something like, “So, what did you expect about a guy who. . .” and then he listed a few of his things. (No time to look up the SNL link where he says that, but it should be out there by now.)

Musk made clear he knows who and what he is and does not pretend to be anything else — unlike. . .oh, never mind.

Boomer

I too am very interested in this. The Salk Institute of Behavioral Science in LaJolla, California did some studies on innate behaviors that our family was involved with. I served for many years on the advisory board to the Lakota Local School System on Exceptional children. It is sometimes very hard to be extremely gifted. Now one is often not allowed to talk about I.Q. To me innate intelligence is very, very interesting and very segmented.

I disagree with you about Trump. He appears to have several characteristics and it goes without saying he is a financial success. Prejudice is not just about color.

Tmarkwald 05-09-2021 12:53 PM

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We are capitalists, not socialists. Or I THOUGHT so....
This is why places like Culvers sometimes is not open and most fast food restaurants have closed dining rooms...

GrumpyOldMan 05-09-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1941658)
I have a feeling that both Trump and Musk may have a form of Autism disorder Syndrome such as Aspergers Syndrome.

That could very well be.

GrumpyOldMan 05-09-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1941704)
We are capitalists, not socialists. Or I THOUGHT so....
This is why places like Culvers sometimes is not open and most fast food restaurants have closed dining rooms...

I disagree, we are and have been a socialistic country almost from the beginning.

Socialism is an economic model where the government owns, operates, or controls the means of production:

Here are a few of the ways the government controls companies in the US:

Consumer protection Via Advertising Restrictions
Employment and Labor Protection
Environmental Impact of Business
Date Security and Privacy Protection
Safety and Health
Labor and Safety Regulations
Environmental and Health Laws
Marketing and Privacy Guidelines
Disclosure Laws
The Workplace Health & Safety Act
Truth in Advertising
Online Advertising Disclosures
The CAN-SPAM Act
The Minimum Wage
Work Authorization

Consider, hiring "illegals" is in fact a free market capitalism RIGHT. The companies not being allowed to hire illegals is the government becoming involved in running the company.

jakers 05-09-2021 01:27 PM

That sums it up perfectly. Anything else is living in the land of denial.

jakers 05-09-2021 01:31 PM

Didn’t get the quote - I mean if You don’t think the government is trying to build dependence on it by overpaying the unemployment, then you are Just making excuses and living in the land of denial.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1941141)
LOL! its very easy to blame the government for normal economic forces . . . but ultimately, the current employment environment is normal economics working . . . the world has just been very easy and comfortable for a long stretch of time, at least 40 years, and we are facing natural forces which have been at bay for 100 years. . . now, not so much. . . more employment survival skills are needed and more employer adaptability is required.

About that Giant Payrolls Miss... - The Big Picture

highlights:

If you need to hire you must increase wages; if you want to hire (but cannot increase wages), you better offer a compelling workplace or prepare for unfilled positions and higher than normal turnover.

• Employers are not competing against unemployment insurance, they are COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR TALENT. How so many are missing this is perplexing. This is how the market operates; prices rise when demand goes up. That I need to even remind some of this is proof how badly damaging ideological blinders are to fundamental economic analysis.


yes, my daughter quit a restaurant job with no benefits for a lower paying job with benefits and a much nicer management team. read point 1 above.

two, having worked in finance with programming skills, I have eliminated jobs starting about 20 years ago. Someone gave me Martha's report, which she did daily and took her about 4-6 hours to prepare. them she emailed it out to people. They gave me the report to perform, and after some work, i reduced the report time to 5 minutes. Then I worked with the corporate automation and web team and it was done with automation overnight. . . now I need something to do! two people without work!

Current environment, colleagues use my reports which are updated with a click of a button, and they can customize the report to any variable / meta data they want to see. . . that is why there is very little opportunities in the corporate world or the middle class. .. and the automation continues to eat jobs, so there are fewer high quality jobs, unless you have a unique skill set which the organization needs. . . i had two scheduled lay off dates last year, neither happened as they used my skills in other places. . . but long time employees did get laid off, and of course, they were upset after so many comfortable years, but most aren't suited to today's competitive work environment.

So don't blame the government for job loss, that's just your personal scapegoat for events beyond your control . . . we all want to be needed, and we all want what we think is the reward for the best we can do, but no one is irreplaceable, you are on your own in a capitalist/corporatist world to survive. Yea, it sucks to be laid off, I have been three times, and dodged two last year. I have been jobless for three years, from 2001 to 2004 because no one would hire me. I didn't blame the government, it was the economy and my personal constraints I had kids to raise and would not move. . . . and for the financial planning saying back then, have 3-6 months of savings between jobs. . . didn't quite work . my former boss also was out of work for 3 years while looking. . . we didn't blame the government

That's what made this country so great is the creative work ethic of opportunity. That opportunity has created alot of wealth for those who worked hard and smart in most industries. . . there are choices, but one only gets what they work for, not what they wish for. . .

BTDT guy

i pushed the post button on the prior thread one minute after it was closed.

I liked the thread, but nothing was mentioned about the big factor of POPULATION growth. In the US it went from about 150 million in the 1950s to over 350 million today. That has to have had a big effect!

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1941183)
Sorry Coach K do not agree.

When the govt gives people more money to stay home than work it will distort the employment market.

Made some sense when the economy has shut down but now that the unemployment rate is down to a more normal figure, makes no sense for the govt to borrow money to pay people to stay at home.

If these subsidies went away, wages would rise as a result of companies needing to compete for labor.

The last sentence is the opposite of logic and reality.

Bucco 05-09-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1941812)
The last sentence is the opposite of logic and reality.

In actuality, most reports show that without more immigrants, USA could be facing a bad labor shortage.

stanley 05-09-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941815)
In actuality, most reports show that without more immigrants, USA could be facing a bad labor shortage.

Reports from...........?

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1941819)
Reports from...........?

Why a Top Trump Aide Said ‘We Are Desperate’ for More Immigrants - The New York Times

The Pandemic Baby Bust Could Slow Down the Economy, or Change It

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...tage-analysis/

Tmarkwald 05-09-2021 07:04 PM

As long as unemployed Americans get paid not to work, we'll need some hard wiring people to replace the lazy slugs on unemployment.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1941624)
We need to be careful to understand that what is shown on search engines when WE type in search criteria is tailored to us individually, and is based on our search history. So, what I see is not the same as what you see.

True that Mr. Grumpy O. And I liked your 1st picture better.

stanley 05-09-2021 07:07 PM

Funny ....you trust a "Trumper" when it serves your purpose.
I might add that's from the NY Times also, a bastion of truth.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1941628)
Since we are kicking things around, kind of;

What did you (all) think of Elon Musk's behavior and word inflection and words on Saturday Night Live?

I had to look it up. I don't normally watch SNL.

Everyone with a sense of humor watches SNL.

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1941823)
As long as unemployed Americans get paid not to work, we'll need some hard wiring people to replace the lazy slugs on unemployment.

If only it were that simple

The U.S. labor shortage is reaching a critical point

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1941630)
I see a lot of posts about how the government should be "hands-off" and let capitalism run the economy.

This is called "free market" capitalism, and if you do a little searching you will find there has NEVER been an example of free-market capitalism at any time anywhere in the world other than in very small villages.

It is a wonderful sounding theory, and commonsense would tell us it works better. But, the reality is it doesn't.

The facts are that we are in a world economy. Free Market capitalism requires individuals to be able to vote for companies with their dollars, hence motivating companies to "behave".

Did you know that 90% of all food production is done by 9 companies worldwide? Do you know which labels are produced by which companies? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

Did you know that 80% of all pharmaceuticals prescribed and sold in the US are produced in China or India? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

I could go on and on, but the point is, there are valid reasons for government regulation of corporations. The discussions are around how much and in what areas. But, you really would not want to live in the age of the industrial revolution again. The age of "company stores". The age of indentured servitude.

That was a great post Mr. Grumpy!

stanley 05-09-2021 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1941827)
Everyone with a sense of humor watches SNL.

You mean a far left sense of humor.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941665)
No need to search. There were nationally broadcast hearings on misinformation.

To me, it is this country's biggest problem. We can not make decisions based on lies and false information. We seem to search until we find information that makes us feel good....no need for it to be true.

And do you not think, those that wish to divide us know that ?

Secondly, we hold nobody responsible for lying or passing on knowingly false information, as long was it makes us feel comfy.

A recipe for disaster, in my opinion. We have become our own worst enemy

Facebook algorithms are designed to divide us. Also, some TV channel.

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1941826)
Funny ....you trust a "Trumper" when it serves your purpose.
I might add that's from the NY Times also, a bastion of truth.

You are obviously one of those on here who reads only selected posts, not all.

And I assume your general reading is the same.

I was able when he said it, to validate it, and as you noticed, it was opposite of what thevadministration was doing and preaching.

You better to begin reading and listening instead of you traditional one liners going for the left, which by the way is not me, and never has been.

I do not generalize and my anti anything is pretty well documented on here as to why's.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941815)
In actuality, most reports show that without more immigrants, USA could be facing a bad labor shortage.

Well yes. that is at the current pay rate. Rich millionaires love legal and illegal immigration because it keeps wages stagnate and guarantees their position at the TOP! That is why I asked coach K about the effects of population, but he did not take me up on it. I could write a book on this subject, but only a few here would bother to read it.

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1941833)
Facebook algorithms are designed to divide us. Also, some TV channel.

Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Americans say social media platforms are tearing us apart

stanley 05-09-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941840)
You are obviously one of those on here who reads only selected posts, not all.

And I assume your general reading is the same.

I was able when he said it, to validate it, and as you noticed, it was opposite of what thevadministration was doing and preaching.

You better to begin reading and listening instead of you traditional one liners going for the left, which by the way is not me, and never has been.

I do not generalize and my anti anything is pretty well documented on here as to why's.



Funny stuff! You make absolutely no sense.
Someone needs to breath and take in reality
.

jimjamuser 05-09-2021 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1941832)
You mean a far left sense of humor.

That's because conservatives have no sense of humor. They are worried that someone will displace them on the totem pole of success. They pass laws to protect themselves. Do you realize that the US is around 30th in all qualities like "upward mobility on world lists". We are behind England, but nobody in TV Land cares to believe me. You will NOT!

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1941846)
Funny stuff! You make absolutely no sense.
Someone needs to breath and take in reality
.

I do not care to talk about myself on here, but your assumptions are very very far off the mark, because when I read your posts, your intent is not to discuss, learn or share...it is to disagree.

Now many on here simply come here to "find fault" sort of as a hobby, and that is where I have you slotted, right or wrong.

I worked for the GOP for years, been an activist for that party for over 50 years.

The party left me....I am, and always will be a conservative who believes in truth, morals and have never moved. The party became corrupt and I left. Does not mean that everything they say, I reject. I am an American before any party.

I do not follow or believe in conspiracy theories as they do at present.

I believe in honesty and not blatant lies.

I also believe, my party will descend even lower unless...well, don't know what will be the savior.

I point out, and all of this is to show how you misjudge. The GOP picked up seats in the last election, but lost the WH. Means the weak llink is at the top....and the embracing continues

Bucco 05-09-2021 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1941841)
Well yes. that is at the current pay rate. Rich millionaires love legal and illegal immigration because it keeps wages stagnate and guarantees their position at the TOP! That is why I asked coach K about the effects of population, but he did not take me up on it. I could write a book on this subject, but only a few here would bother to read it.

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stebooo 05-09-2021 08:02 PM

I'm not sure where you have been. Most of your comments make zero sense in terms of the unemployment question. How can you debate or not get that we have a 6%+unemployment rate and every company is desperately looking for help. 1 reason unemoyed are simply being paid more vto stay home than work. (drop mic)

stebooo 05-09-2021 08:06 PM

Sorry I'm not getting your point. Did what you asked. Many pics. So?

stanley 05-09-2021 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941856)
I do not care to talk about myself on here, but your assumptions are very very far off the mark, because when I read your posts, your intent is not to discuss, learn or share...it is to disagree.

That's a bunch of ****..........my "intent" is to call you out for your self centered know it all talking down to who does not agree with you attitude. Period. That is my agenda, plain and simple... honest

Stu from NYC 05-09-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stebooo (Post 1941868)
I'm not sure where you have been. Most of your comments make zero sense in terms of the unemployment question. How can you debate or not get that we have a 6%+unemployment rate and every company is desperately looking for help. 1 reason unemoyed are simply being paid more vto stay home than work. (drop mic)

Technically we have a 6.5% unemployment rate but only because people not currently looking for work are not counted as unemployed.

Why look or want work when the govt will pay you to be a burden on society.

Tmarkwald 05-10-2021 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1941879)
Technically we have a 6.5% unemployment rate but only because people not currently looking for work are not counted as unemployed.

Why look or want work when the govt will pay you to be a burden on society.

Yep, exactly.

I have been doing a weekly trip up and down I-95 to Maryland. I CANNOT GET ANY FOOD!

Unless it stop at sit-down restaurants I can't eat. I'm pulling a big trailer so I can't do drive throughs, and ALL the fastfood dining areas are closed.

Sickening to see what our beloved country has become in just a few short months.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-10-2021 06:34 AM

Unemployment benefits and other government support programs interfere with "normal" economics.

I'm not saying that they're not necessary or good in some cases but they interfere with the normal supply and demand which is the basis for economics.

oldtimes 05-10-2021 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941856)
I do not care to talk about myself on here, but your assumptions are very very far off the mark, because when I read your posts, your intent is not to discuss, learn or share...it is to disagree.

Now many on here simply come here to "find fault" sort of as a hobby, and that is where I have you slotted, right or wrong.

I worked for the GOP for years, been an activist for that party for over 50 years.

The party left me....I am, and always will be a conservative who believes in truth, morals and have never moved. The party became corrupt and I left. Does not mean that everything they say, I reject. I am an American before any party.

I do not follow or believe in conspiracy theories as they do at present.

I believe in honesty and not blatant lies.

I also believe, my party will descend even lower unless...well, don't know what will be the savior.

I point out, and all of this is to show how you misjudge. The GOP picked up seats in the last election, but lost the WH. Means the weak llink is at the top....and the embracing continues

All of your posts are political. All of them.

Bay Kid 05-10-2021 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1941857)
Just my hunch....economy suffers in the next 5 years unless we increase immigration. But at my age, .....

Just more to learn how to free stuff without working.

Tmarkwald 05-10-2021 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1942014)
Unemployment benefits and other government support programs interfere with "normal" economics.

I'm not saying that they're not necessary or good in some cases but they interfere with the normal supply and demand which is the basis for economics.

Remember the old adage - Sink or Swim? Many people of our generation worked multiple jobs to get ahead, or worked long hours to keep heads above water.

Now, it is the responsibility of the government and US - the taxpayer - to support people who don't even want to work ONE job. And they get food stamps, etc. etc. while there are signs everywhere saying HELP WANTED.

The He!! with that!

graciegirl 05-10-2021 08:46 AM

This is lifted directly from inside this very article you quoted;

Among daily social media users, 49 percent say social media platforms make their lives better, while 37 percent say they make their lives worse.

Democrats, women and college graduates are more likely to say that social media make their lives better, versus Republicans, men and those without college degrees who are more likely to disagree.

Bucco 05-10-2021 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1942177)
This is lifted directly from inside this very article you quoted;

Among daily social media users, 49 percent say social media platforms make their lives better, while 37 percent say they make their lives worse.

Democrats, women and college graduates are more likely to say that social media make their lives better, versus Republicans, men and those without college degrees who are more likely to disagree.

Not sure what you want in reply. All I can say is....so what ?

What is the point. I am always said to be political but then we have this. Do not get the point you are making

FALSE information and DISinformation IS IN FACT spread on social media.....not the only source, as we see on this social media source.

graciegirl 05-10-2021 10:22 AM

Many of us have had our Covid-19 shots, are gently and enjoyably seeing old friends again, are staying caught up and enjoying pictures of sisters and cousins and aunts on Facebook who are photographed enjoying Mother's day. We are reading what some one thinks we should be calling men and woman and that some say that mothers should be called, birthing units. We are reading and watching lot of inflammatory stuff on the National News and some things that are valid. People want to talk about the groups of people who have chosen not to be vaccinated and they are leaving a large group of folks out, because it doesn't fit their narrative.

On this thread we read again a lot of posts from someone who doesn't really read what others post very carefully and is just salivating to make anything and everything political and to bash the high executive who is no longer in office. When he is confronted with something that is correct and in opposition to what he posted, he either ignores it, or attacks the character of the poster.

I am so tired of it.

GrumpyOldMan 05-10-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1942271)

I am so tired of it.

Exactly how I feel.

The same old and tired comments over and over.

valuemkt 05-10-2021 11:38 AM

Well Coach, I guess you took too many basket weaving classes and didnt take any math or economics classes. Also have no concept of how the economies of CUBA, Soviet Union etc work and have degenerated over time. The economy was doing just fine pre-COVID.. all time low unemployment. People were glad to work at prevailing wages. Life was good. COVID struck.. one can make an argument that a ONE TIME subsidy kept the country from going into a depression level panic. More government free cheese has kept the mice sitting on the bench with no need to work for food. It is not a wage problem.. It is a government subsidy problem. Who in their right mind would pass a bill that would, on a regular basis, give people more MONEY to not work than to work at jobs they were perfectly happy to perform PRE COVID ? The answer is Socialists, not Capitalists.. Coach, stick to X's and O's .. because your Dollars and Cents make absolutely no SENSE


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