[amexsbow]

The current Poverty level for Fl. is $1035 a month for a single person. Unemployment pay for Fl. is $1100 a month. The Fl. Senate just approved a raise to $1500. Each state is different, costs of living are different. The Federal Government cannot force changes to state economic systems without causing problems and screwing up the entire country. Has anyone bought one size fits all clothing? How's that work for you? Common sense must prevail if we are to survive as a country.

[graciegirl]

So much of what we are being told and what we read in 2021 is propaganda.

Type into your browser these words; "
pictures of murderers who were convicted felons" and then press, images.

I was shocked.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So much of what we are being told and what we read in 2021 is propaganda.

Type into your browser these words; "
pictures of murderers who were convicted felons" and then press, images.

I was shocked.

We need to be careful to understand that what is shown on search engines when WE type in search criteria is tailored to us individually, and is based on our search history. So, what I see is not the same as what you see.

[graciegirl]

Since we are kicking things around, kind of;

What did you (all) think of Elon Musk's behavior and word inflection and words on Saturday Night Live?

I had to look it up. I don't normally watch SNL.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I see a lot of posts about how the government should be "hands-off" and let capitalism run the economy.

This is called "free market" capitalism, and if you do a little searching you will find there has NEVER been an example of free-market capitalism at any time anywhere in the world other than in very small villages.

It is a wonderful sounding theory, and commonsense would tell us it works better. But, the reality is it doesn't.

The facts are that we are in a world economy. Free Market capitalism requires individuals to be able to vote for companies with their dollars, hence motivating companies to "behave".

Did you know that 90% of all food production is done by 9 companies worldwide? Do you know which labels are produced by which companies? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

Did you know that 80% of all pharmaceuticals prescribed and sold in the US are produced in China or India? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

I could go on and on, but the point is, there are valid reasons for government regulation of corporations. The discussions are around how much and in what areas. But, you really would not want to live in the age of the industrial revolution again. The age of "company stores". The age of indentured servitude.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Since we are kicking things around, kind of;

What did you (all) think of Elon Musk's behavior and word inflection and words on Saturday Night Live?

I had to look it up. I don't normally watch SNL.

I didn't watch SNL, but Elon does have unusual speech patterns. And he has some unusual ideas. I still admire him as a true renaissance man.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I didn't watch SNL, but Elon does have unusual speech patterns. And he has some unusual ideas. I still admire him as a true renaissance man.

I have a feeling that both Trump and Musk may have a form of Autism disorder Syndrome such as Aspergers Syndrome.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So much of what we are being told and what we read in 2021 is propaganda.

Type into your browser these words; "
pictures of murderers who were convicted felons" and then press, images.

I was shocked.

No need to search. There were nationally broadcast hearings on misinformation.

To me, it is this country's biggest problem. We can not make decisions based on lies and false information. We seem to search until we find information that makes us feel good....no need for it to be true.

And do you not think, those that wish to divide us know that ?

Secondly, we hold nobody responsible for lying or passing on knowingly false information, as long was it makes us feel comfy.

A recipe for disaster, in my opinion. We have become our own worst enemy

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I see a lot of posts about how the government should be "hands-off" and let capitalism run the economy.

This is called "free market" capitalism, and if you do a little searching you will find there has NEVER been an example of free-market capitalism at any time anywhere in the world other than in very small villages.

It is a wonderful sounding theory, and commonsense would tell us it works better. But, the reality is it doesn't.

The facts are that we are in a world economy. Free Market capitalism requires individuals to be able to vote for companies with their dollars, hence motivating companies to "behave".

Did you know that 90% of all food production is done by 9 companies worldwide? Do you know which labels are produced by which companies? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

Did you know that 80% of all pharmaceuticals prescribed and sold in the US are produced in China or India? Do you think they care how YOU vote with YOUR money?

I could go on and on, but the point is, there are valid reasons for government regulation of corporations. The discussions are around how much and in what areas. But, you really would not want to live in the age of the industrial revolution again. The age of "company stores". The age of indentured servitude.

Let me just say that this and previous posts on this thread about false information are "joined at the hip".

We are fed "buzz words" or phrases by those who want those phrase to be emblazoned in our head. We make no attempt to see if there is any actual truth to it, and the economy discussions are a prime example.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have a feeling that both Trump and Musk may have a form of Autism disorder Syndrome such as Aspergers Syndrome.

Gracie — that’s not a “feeling” about Elon Musk — it is true. Last night on SNL he told everybody he has Asperger’s.

Those with Asperger Syndrome are sometimes in the highest level of genius category — but often misunderstood. I am fascinated by genius. Did some of my masters writing on how schools don’t know what to do with those rare, socially inept, genius kids — who can be found from every walk of life. Kids like that are rarely even recognized as genius and can end up with unfair labels that relegate them to a category in which they do not belong. (Geez. Don’t get me started on how truly brilliant kids can quickly become the most neglected kids in the education system. I believe so much of their potential is lost because their level of intelligence is so rare and their behavior is not always “normal” and very few educators “get” them. These are the kids who are very different from just the “regular smart” kids.)

That other famous one you mentioned is not on the spectrum and not anywhere near the same category as Elon Musk in any way. But more info on that one can be found in the DSM.

I gotta get outa here. Social plans today. Don’t really want to continue to engage in amateur psychoanalysis that will devolve into the same ol’ same ol’.

(If you catch the Elon Musk clip from SNL, he makes a perfect, insightful comment about his Asperger’s that starts with saying something like, “So, what did you expect about a guy who. . .” and then he listed a few of his things. (No time to look up the SNL link where he says that, but it should be out there by now.)

Musk made clear he knows who and what he is and does not pretend to be anything else — unlike. . .oh, never mind.

Boomer

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Gracie — that’s not a “feeling” about Elon Musk — it is true. Last night on SNL he told everybody he has Asperger’s.

Those with Asperger Syndrome are sometimes in the highest level of genius category — but often misunderstood. I am fascinated by genius. Did some of my masters writing on how schools don’t know what to do with those rare, socially inept, genius kids — who can be found from every walk of life. Kids like that are rarely even recognized as genius and can end up with unfair labels that relegate them to a category in which they do not belong. (Geez. Don’t get me started on how truly brilliant kids can quickly become the most neglected kids in the education system. I believe so much of their potential is lost because their level of intelligence is so rare and their behavior is not always “normal” and very few educators “get” them. These are the kids who are very different from just the “regular smart” kids.)

That other famous one you mentioned is not on the spectrum and not anywhere near the same category as Elon Musk in any way. But more info on that one can be found in the DSM.

I gotta get outa here. Social plans today. Don’t really want to continue to engage in amateur psychoanalysis that will devolve into the same ol’ same ol’.

(If you catch the Elon Musk clip from SNL, he makes a perfect, insightful comment about his Asperger’s that starts with saying something like, “So, what did you expect about a guy who. . .” and then he listed a few of his things. (No time to look up the SNL link where he says that, but it should be out there by now.)

Musk made clear he knows who and what he is and does not pretend to be anything else — unlike. . .oh, never mind.

Boomer

I too am very interested in this. The Salk Institute of Behavioral Science in LaJolla, California did some studies on innate behaviors that our family was involved with. I served for many years on the advisory board to the Lakota Local School System on Exceptional children. It is sometimes very hard to be extremely gifted. Now one is often not allowed to talk about I.Q. To me innate intelligence is very, very interesting and very segmented.

I disagree with you about Trump. He appears to have several characteristics and it goes without saying he is a financial success. Prejudice is not just about color.

[Tmarkwald]

We are capitalists, not socialists. Or I THOUGHT so....
This is why places like Culvers sometimes is not open and most fast food restaurants have closed dining rooms...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have a feeling that both Trump and Musk may have a form of Autism disorder Syndrome such as Aspergers Syndrome.

That could very well be.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

We are capitalists, not socialists. Or I THOUGHT so....
This is why places like Culvers sometimes is not open and most fast food restaurants have closed dining rooms...

I disagree, we are and have been a socialistic country almost from the beginning.

Socialism is an economic model where the government owns, operates, or controls the means of production:

Here are a few of the ways the government controls companies in the US:

Consumer protection Via Advertising Restrictions
Employment and Labor Protection
Environmental Impact of Business
Date Security and Privacy Protection
Safety and Health
Labor and Safety Regulations
Environmental and Health Laws
Marketing and Privacy Guidelines
Disclosure Laws
The Workplace Health & Safety Act
Truth in Advertising
Online Advertising Disclosures
The CAN-SPAM Act
The Minimum Wage
Work Authorization

Consider, hiring "illegals" is in fact a free market capitalism RIGHT. The companies not being allowed to hire illegals is the government becoming involved in running the company.

[jakers]

That sums it up perfectly. Anything else is living in the land of denial.