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Dahabs 04-09-2025 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2422340)
I've had a good peek at it and have to say it is encouraging. Many things the wrongs created will not be corrected without some sacrifice, that won't happen.

If I was a stock market person, I would be investing now. That not is not advice for others, it is just my perspective of things to come.

Good luck.

rsmurano 04-09-2025 04:56 AM

Let’s see, Trump has received $5T of new money to build new things in the states and a lot of them will employ hundreds of thousands of people. You forget, if you are building a plant that will be using robots, you still need a lot of people to build the plant, program and maintain the robots, and a staff to do things that robots can’t do. Every car plant in the world has robots but they also have a large staff to keep it running and to do certain tasks.

The OP brings up a unique situation about trying to move $3 labor plant to the US. This won’t happen, but how about the large tariffs brought by Germany, UK, Japan, and others that make much more than $3 an hour to build cars, these places can move to the states and most of them have for decades.

Remember, Trump isn’t asking nations to pack up shop and relocate here, he gives them multiple choices:
1) build here
2) take your tariffs off and we will take ours off.

Pretty simple. While we are at it, I like trumps idea to create the ERS (external revenue service) that gets the tariff money and reducing or eliminating the IRS.

When CEO’s are interviewed here in the states and even Warren Buffet, they like what Trump is doing with the tariffs. Trumps tariffs from 2017 are still in place today, if they were bad, why haven’t they been eliminated? And since those tariffs are on aluminum and steel, how much have you been paying extra for a can of soda? Since those tariffs are in place, how much aluminum do we import or how much more do our aluminum plants produce of what we buy?

1 more thing, we also have factories or businesses running at 50-75% capacity, maybe tariffs will work out for the US to get these running at full capacity without the need to build something new that could take years.

bowlingal 04-09-2025 05:35 AM

if they move manufacturing at all, it will be many years. Trump will be gone as well as most of us

golfing eagles 04-09-2025 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2422383)
IMO They create the sell off selling millions of stock at high price, that drops market value then the wait like thief in night buy back at way lower value rate which causes market to go up. Then cycle starts all over again.

You mean sell high and buy low? What a novel idea. News flash, it does not apply only to "billionaires". You could jump in and buy now, or try to time the bottom of the market, which usually doesn't turn out too well. Perhaps a better maxim is to buy on the way down and sell on the way up.

Cliff Fr 04-09-2025 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2422093)
Lets get this straight:

The grand plan trying to reverse 40 years of product trade optimization is very, very risky, and most likely not going to happen. First reason is that the cost is very high and the time frame is very long. To effectively move $3 per hour (est foreign labor rate) human labor to a $15 per hour (living wage cost of living domestic labor rate) requires either the US domestic economy to be put into a depression, or the US consumer will need huge wages increases to buy the domestic products without huge government UBI.

Examples, Tariffing a country like Vietnam, whose labor rate is $3 per hour and whose US tariff rate is 2%, with a 30% tariff, and then have them remove their tariff, reduces their product sales to the US, and still doesn't allow Vietnam the increased cost of living to afford US exports, as no one is increasing their labor rates. If the US tariff is removed, that still doesn't change the current status enough to increase the Vietnam std of living enough to afford US products.

The US's current wealth lost by labor manufacturing, has been replaced by high tech creation, innovation and products, primarily software. The real problem with software is that it can replace human labor, and that problem has a different solution than mfg relocation.

A bakery and a flour-sugar distributor will always run a trade imbalance. The distributor will never buy an equal amount of bakery goods. Same concept applies to Vietnam. . . or any other low wage mfg trading partner.

Second: US mfg is now 10-15% of the US labor. . . to build new capacity will take several years, and Nutlick believes that AI/robots can perform the labor in these new factories. So if this happens, the US consumer wins, but there are no jobs being brought back to the domestic shores. Therefore, where are the labor gains? And if this path is chosen, and the president isn't reelected, or doesn't corrupt the Congress and Judiciary branch to give him unlimited time in office, all this investment can be for not with a new president

Therefore, corporations will just sit and wait it out, and will start cutting labor to survive. It didn't work in the 1930s, and it still won't work in the 2020's.

good luck

Your corrupt comment shows your bias. I for one am rooting main street USA to be prosperous.

Villager24 04-09-2025 06:37 AM

And just like that… everyone’s a tariff expert. 😂

MicRoDrafting 04-09-2025 06:51 AM

do NOT expect to see Businesses returning any time soon … primarily because these recent actions have led to the USA being viewed as Untrustworthy and Disgraceful concerning the Global Market/Economy and our previous allies …

… the World is No Longer Simply
Watching, BUT Now is Reacting !!

ithos 04-09-2025 06:53 AM

Economics is a strange subject.

A trade surplus is great for China, South Korea, Japan, Norway, Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland but bad for the United States who once saved the world from Tyranny with its manufacturing base.

Aircraft
Over 300,000 military aircraft, including:
Fighters: P-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt
Bombers: B-17 Flying Fortress, B-24 Liberator, B-29 Superfortress

Ships
88,410 naval vessels, including:
6,768 cargo ships (like the Liberty and Victory ships)
1,200 major warships
22 aircraft carriers (fleet and escort)

Tanks and Armored Vehicles
88,410 tanks and self-propelled guns

Small Arms
Over 12 million rifles and carbines
2.7 million machine guns
Over 40 billion rounds of ammunition

Vehicles
Over 2.3 million military trucks and jeeps

At its peak, the U.S. was producing nearly 40% of all Allied military equipment.

The vast majority of the workers were middle income.

But now we are told America sucks in manufacturing so we need to just run massive trade deficits and we will be so much more wealthier. Who cares if tens of millions will never have a shot of a meaningful career with good benefits. Let them flip burgers.

jbartle1 04-09-2025 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2422348)
You think the value of their portfolios does not go down when the market goes down?

Cry me a river, boo hoo

opinionist 04-09-2025 07:01 AM

Trillions have already been committed to investment in the United States. Maybe the new factories will be primarily robotic, but service jobs always spring up around factories. Corporations plan their investments years in advance. The fact that investments are publicly announced now means we are watching a plan unfold that was years in the making. The goal is trade balance and not trade dominance. We don't have to make socks in the US if we have something of value to export.

Ski Bum 04-09-2025 07:13 AM

This was the best answer so far:

Remember, Trump isn’t asking nations to pack up shop and relocate here, he gives them multiple choices:
1) build here
2) take your tariffs off and we will take ours off.

But I would add a third. Open your markets and we will drop our tariffs. This whole thing is about market access and non-tariff barriers.

The goal is to cut China out of the world economy. Anything that can be made in China can be made in Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Vietnam is already making a deal. Trump is a Penn Wharton MBA. He understands the concept of the division of labor.

Ski Bum 04-09-2025 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2422093)
Lets get this straight:

The grand plan trying to reverse 40 years of product trade optimization is very, very risky, and most likely not going to happen. First reason is that the cost is very high and the time frame is very long. To effectively move $3 per hour (est foreign labor rate) human labor to a $15 per hour (living wage cost of living domestic labor rate) requires either the US domestic economy to be put into a depression, or the US consumer will need huge wages increases to buy the domestic products without huge government UBI.

Examples, Tariffing a country like Vietnam, whose labor rate is $3 per hour and whose US tariff rate is 2%, with a 30% tariff, and then have them remove their tariff, reduces their product sales to the US, and still doesn't allow Vietnam the increased cost of living to afford US exports, as no one is increasing their labor rates. If the US tariff is removed, that still doesn't change the current status enough to increase the Vietnam std of living enough to afford US products.

The US's current wealth lost by labor manufacturing, has been replaced by high tech creation, innovation and products, primarily software. The real problem with software is that it can replace human labor, and that problem has a different solution than mfg relocation.

A bakery and a flour-sugar distributor will always run a trade imbalance. The distributor will never buy an equal amount of bakery goods. Same concept applies to Vietnam. . . or any other low wage mfg trading partner.

Second: US mfg is now 10-15% of the US labor. . . to build new capacity will take several years, and Nutlick believes that AI/robots can perform the labor in these new factories. So if this happens, the US consumer wins, but there are no jobs being brought back to the domestic shores. Therefore, where are the labor gains? And if this path is chosen, and the president isn't reelected, or doesn't corrupt the Congress and Judiciary branch to give him unlimited time in office, all this investment can be for not with a new president

Therefore, corporations will just sit and wait it out, and will start cutting labor to survive. It didn't work in the 1930s, and it still won't work in the 2020's.

good luck

Trump understands the concept of the division of labor. He is a Penn Wharton MBA. So maybe there's another reason?

LonnyP 04-09-2025 07:21 AM

#morewinning

airstreamingypsy 04-09-2025 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ski Bum (Post 2422477)
Trump understands the concept of the division of labor. He is a Penn Wharton MBA. So maybe there's another reason?

Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in economics. He does NOT have an MBA.

MrFlorida 04-09-2025 07:36 AM

What if we get in a war with China, who will make out equipment ? Not us, we don't make anything except condo's and fast food.

Nellmack 04-09-2025 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2422484)
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in economics. He does NOT have an MBA.

Like it or not we are in a world economy and it's too late to change that fact. We prove it every day when we choose the cheapest price on Amazon. We look up a product, compare pricing, click "order" and boom, we just purchased a tee shirt from Vietnam = world economy.

Contrary to what ToTV folks are saying, every single expert that I have read about say that tariffs are bad....very bad. The only logical reason for tariffs are to gain power. Place a tariff on a country and force that country beg for relief. Unfortunately, now, we all complicit in this power grab.

Stu from NYC 04-09-2025 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MicRoDrafting (Post 2422463)
do NOT expect to see Businesses returning any time soon … primarily because these recent actions have led to the USA being viewed as Untrustworthy and Disgraceful concerning the Global Market/Economy and our previous allies …

… the World is No Longer Simply
Watching, BUT Now is Reacting !!

Does the fact that about 70 plus nations have approached us about coming up with a better deal matter?

KAM+6 04-09-2025 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2422484)
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in economics. He does NOT have an MBA.

Went Bankrupt 6 times, several other businesses went bust. Latest was DC hotel. Scotland and Ireland golf courses have been in the red since day one. Also, many in US.

Normal 04-09-2025 07:59 AM

Manufacturing No, Corporate Headquarters YES
 
Manufacturing may not move, but many corporate offices are talking of moving their HQ and earnings to the US again. Taxes drove them away.

Purina , Budweiser , Tyco, IHS, Pfizer, Birger King(Canada lol), Medtronic, Frigidaire etc….

kingofbeer 04-09-2025 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg (Post 2422247)
True, but tariffs do NOT bring jobs back; they just make things more expensive for you and me.

All of the money raised from tariffs goes straight into the Government coffers.

Thinking that the plan is to give this new money away to the ultra rich.

Ptmcbriz 04-09-2025 08:24 AM

It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

ithos 04-09-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MicRoDrafting (Post 2422463)
do NOT expect to see Businesses returning any time soon … primarily because these recent actions have led to the USA being viewed as Untrustworthy and Disgraceful concerning the Global Market/Economy and our previous allies …

… the World is No Longer Simply
Watching, BUT Now is Reacting !!

Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.

Germany – Largest U.S. military presence in Europe; bases like Ramstein and Grafenwöhr.
Italy – Naval and Air Force bases (e.g., Aviano, Naples).
United Kingdom – Several Air Force bases, including RAF Lakenheath.
Poland – Increasing troop presence under NATO initiatives.
Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) – Rotational deployments, NATO reassurance.
Japan – One of the largest overseas deployments; includes Okinawa and Yokota Air Base.
South Korea – Large presence (~28,000 troops) as a deterrent against North Korea.
Guam – Strategic U.S. territory with significant naval and air assets.
Philippines & Australia – Rotational deployments and training agreements.
Turkey – Incirlik Air Base, strategic for Middle East operations.
Kuwait – Major logistical and support hub.
Qatar – Al Udeid Air Base, key for CENTCOM operations.
Bahrain – Home of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet.
United Arab Emirates (UAE) – Air Force presence and joint training.
Iraq & Syria – Troops remain for anti-ISIS operations and advisory roles.
Djibouti – Camp Lemonnier, the main U.S. base in Africa.
*****, Kenya, Somalia – Smaller, mission-specific deployments focused on counterterrorism and training.
Chart: Where U.S. Troops Are Based Around The World | Statista

Stu from NYC 04-09-2025 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2422529)
It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

Not to mention companies will spring up around these factories offering supporting jobs.

RickyLee 04-09-2025 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2422111)
Time will tell if you are right but there are parts that can be made here that were outsourced to China.

Not going to be what it was but can see some additional factories here.

Pharmaceuticals/medicine are my main concern. We need to bring them home

Normal 04-09-2025 08:47 AM

Plant Doesn’t Matter as much as corporate offices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2422529)
It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.

Corporate offices and earnings can be moved overnight

kingofbeer 04-09-2025 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2422530)
Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.

Germany – Largest U.S. military presence in Europe; bases like Ramstein and Grafenwöhr.
Italy – Naval and Air Force bases (e.g., Aviano, Naples).
United Kingdom – Several Air Force bases, including RAF Lakenheath.
Poland – Increasing troop presence under NATO initiatives.
Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) – Rotational deployments, NATO reassurance.
Japan – One of the largest overseas deployments; includes Okinawa and Yokota Air Base.
South Korea – Large presence (~28,000 troops) as a deterrent against North Korea.
Guam – Strategic U.S. territory with significant naval and air assets.
Philippines & Australia – Rotational deployments and training agreements.
Turkey – Incirlik Air Base, strategic for Middle East operations.
Kuwait – Major logistical and support hub.
Qatar – Al Udeid Air Base, key for CENTCOM operations.
Bahrain – Home of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet.
United Arab Emirates (UAE) – Air Force presence and joint training.
Iraq & Syria – Troops remain for anti-ISIS operations and advisory roles.
Djibouti – Camp Lemonnier, the main U.S. base in Africa.
*****, Kenya, Somalia – Smaller, mission-specific deployments focused on counterterrorism and training.
Chart: Where U.S. Troops Are Based Around The World | Statista

We put our troops there because it benefits US interests over the entire world.

Bill14564 04-09-2025 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2422530)
Untrustworthy and Disgraceful? What nonsense.
If so then why do we have our military deployed around the world at great expense to our economy? Its time we pursue policies that support the USAs interest over our so called allies.


You seem to have missed the word “recent.”

There also appears to be a lack of appreciation/understanding for what is in the best interest of the US.

kingofbeer 04-09-2025 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2422547)
Corporate offices and earnings can be moved overnight

How do you know this to be a fact?

RickyLee 04-09-2025 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2422500)
Like it or not we are in a world economy and it's too late to change that fact. We prove it every day when we choose the cheapest price on Amazon. We look up a product, compare pricing, click "order" and boom, we just purchased a tee shirt from Vietnam = world economy.

Contrary to what ToTV folks are saying, every single expert that I have read about say that tariffs are bad....very bad. The only logical reason for tariffs are to gain power. Place a tariff on a country and force that country beg for relief. Unfortunately, now, we all complicit in this power grab.

AHH The power of negotiation

MandoMan 04-09-2025 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2422156)
In the mean time, here is how the business imports currently works:

A small business orders $100,000 of widgets from China.
The tariffs are 50%, easy math, the company owes $100,000 to the supplier, and 50,000 to US customs.
The business has to pay prior to getting the widgets released, or pay by owed date.
If they don't pay, most likely end of business, bankrupt.

Does the business all of a sudden have enough working capital to pay the US tariff?
The predominant answer is no, so needs an additional line of credit to pay the tariff.
OK, so the business gets one. . pays the tariff, and gets the widgets.

The next question is if the small business has enough product pricing power to pass that 50% increase on to customers?
Lets say gross margin is 20%, so prior to the tariff:

Pre Tariff Math = $125,000 Sales - S100,00 Cost of Goods Sold = $20,000 Gross margin to pay fixed overhead costs
Post Tariff Math = $175,000 Sales - $150,000 Cost of Goods Sold = $20,000 Gross Margin to pay fixed overhead costs.

175,000 / 120,000 - 1 = 40%

Now the cost of product is 50% higher, so in order to get the same margin dollars to pay for US overhead expenses,
the sales price must rise 40%. .

The only way for sales to remain at 40% higher, is for all competitors to raise prices 40%,
and for the demand being inelastic, meaning that people will buy the widget regardless of price.

However, demand being inelastic is highly improbable, so
1) the consumer will continue to buy with 40% product inflation?
2) reconsider the purchase and delay / not buy any more?

That is how the Great Depression happened.

Good Luck to us!

Isn’t part of the idea of tariffs on China to convince Americans to just stop buying Chinese products because they are no longer good deals? (And likewise for other countries.) If that leads to us not buying that product from anywhere at any price, at least the money hasn’t gone overseas. So, iPhone buyers don’t buy a new iPhone because they don’t want to pay an extra thousand for it. They keep their perfectly good old phone. Similarly, Lexus drivers in The Villages may buy a new Lincoln—though the price will go up because so much of it is made elsewhere—or maybe they will buy nothing. Same for Toyotas, Hyundais, Subarus, etc. the real idea is less making money off your purchase as a tax, though if you BUY something with tariffs, that’s essentially what it is. The idea is to get patriotic Americans to stop buying products from overseas, period, whether they buy an American product instead or not. Then the trade imbalance stops. After all, people in other countries don’t really want to buy more things that we make because they can’t afford them, even without tariffs.

Think about it. If you stop buying products with levied tariffs because you aren’t willing to pay an extra 20% or 50% or 100%, you will need to stop shopping at WalMart, the Dollar Store, Home Depot, etc. These stores may be forced into bankruptcy if tariffs continue for a year. But that is how the trade imbalance is solved. The alternative is for the foreign countries to stop subsidizing their own companies and let the cost of the items rise to what they actually cost to produce and sell. Oh, but doesn’t that raise your costs when you go shopping? Yes. For a lot of things you like to buy, there are no completely American equivalents. You will either have to do without or pay higher costs for the overseas product you love, and your purchase at least, at that higher price, will put more money in our U.S. Treasury. It’s a bit like a Luxury Tax, but a Luxury Tax on WalMart Shoppers who used to buy products there because they were less expensive.

chrisinva 04-09-2025 08:57 AM

:cryin2: All this consternation makes me glad I'm on the other side of 70.

bopat 04-09-2025 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2422553)
Isn’t part of the idea of tariffs on China to convince Americans to just stop buying Chinese products because they are no longer good deals? (And likewise for other countries.) If that leads to us not buying that product from anywhere at any price, at least the money hasn’t gone overseas. So, iPhone buyers don’t buy a new iPhone because they don’t want to pay an extra thousand for it. They keep their perfectly good old phone. Similarly, Lexus drivers in The Villages may buy a new Lincoln—though the price will go up because so much of it is made elsewhere—or maybe they will buy nothing. Same for Toyotas, Hyundais, Subarus, etc. the real idea is less making money off your purchase as a tax, though if you BUY something with tariffs, that’s essentially what it is. The idea is to get patriotic Americans to stop buying products from overseas, period, whether they buy an American product instead or not. Then the trade imbalance stops. After all, people in other countries don’t really want to buy more things that we make because they can’t afford them, even without tariffs.

Think about it. If you stop buying products with levied tariffs because you aren’t willing to pay an extra 20% or 50% or 100%, you will need to stop shopping at WalMart, the Dollar Store, Home Depot, etc. These stores may be forced into bankruptcy if tariffs continue for a year. But that is how the trade imbalance is solved. The alternative is for the foreign countries to stop subsidizing their own companies and let the cost of the items rise to what they actually cost to produce and sell. Oh, but doesn’t that raise your costs when you go shopping? Yes. For a lot of things you like to buy, there are no completely American equivalents. You will either have to do without or pay higher costs for the overseas product you love, and your purchase at least, at that higher price, will put more money in our U.S. Treasury. It’s a bit like a Luxury Tax, but a Luxury Tax on WalMart Shoppers who used to buy products there because they were less expensive.

I remember back in the 1990s when Walmart had a lot of USA made products.

Bogie Shooter 04-09-2025 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2422501)
Does the fact that about 70 plus nations have approached us about coming up with a better deal matter?

Yet to be a list of countries……….

Aces4 04-09-2025 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2422549)
We put our troops there because it benefits US interests over the entire world.

And what is that interest? That's right.. a world free from communism. Guess we aren't so crazy after all.

Aces4 04-09-2025 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2422529)
It takes a high tech manufacturing plant typically 5-7 years to build. CEO’s are not bringing their plants back because Trump will be gone well before that time. CEO’s prefer paying for $3 an hour labor along with many raw materials cant be found in the US. Btw, typically a high tech robotic run plant needs HIGHLY skilled educated workers, not the normal joe blow worker. Youll need IT and engineering degrees.


So you're telling us every worker in a high tech manufacturing plant has an IT and Engineering degree?

It's most likely all those educational skills were gleaned from American colleges where we blindly educate students from all different countries and send our brilliance back to their homes.

Normal 04-09-2025 09:27 AM

Only a few officially listed
 
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2422567)
Yet to be a list of countries……….

The EU, Australia, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and Israel are all negotiating their differences. The rest aren’t mentioned much? Perhaps it’s all part of deal making.

Aces4 04-09-2025 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2422510)
Hogwash! Get an education, get a college degree, work in health care (which has a massive shortage). Manufacturing is not coming back to the US in large numbers. Get over it already!

Now everyone in the USA is going to be a doctor or a nurse. Gee, our problems are over. Lack of insight for the capabilities and ambition in America is quite common now. We are told over and over that we aren't able to do any and all the things we previously would do in a heart beat.

This is a huge problem in our country with this dialog being produced that we are no longer smart enough, hard-working enough, visionaries and on the whole, unable to care for ourselves. Now other countries need to take care of us, we've become idiots and lazy.

Maybe those of us who couldn't afford a college education but thought on our feet through life experiences, actually worked hard, cared for our families and added to society are becoming extinct. Too bad for America as we are then left with many portfolio carrying college graduates with little incentive for anything since they plan to get rich in the stock market.

Johnsocat 04-09-2025 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg (Post 2422247)
True, but tariffs do NOT bring jobs back; they just make things more expensive for you and me.

All of the money raised from tariffs goes straight into the Government coffers.

Tariffs AND tax cuts, allong with some needed deregulation and bureaucratic red tape, WILL bring jobs back.
Additionally, our Nation will be more secure if we can again produce the equipment our military needs to protect us and our allies. Currently, for example, there is only one U.S. supplier of primers for bullets, and zero lead smelting plants.

Johnsocat 04-09-2025 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jbartle1 (Post 2422344)
Funny how the correction and sacrifice doesn’t affect billionares, hmmmm!!!!????

What's funny is that due to bureaucratic over-regulation and constantly rising corporate taxes and cost of business is exactly WHY the referenced billionaires stopped employing U.S. workers and moved their operation to other countries.

ithos 04-09-2025 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2422572)
What happened to this TOTV site rule?


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I consider this more of an economic topic. This is an issue that is impacting the retirement funds of most of the people who live in TV. I hope we can keep it academic and not political.


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