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petsetc 04-11-2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1744221)
Ummm could you explain that one. 10% is 10%. We’d all be level in responsibility. No deductions for ANY ONE. If you make less, you owe less. If you make more, you pay more.

Sure.
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Andyb 04-11-2020 08:05 AM

Another penalty for those few supporting our country. Would be too complicated. We have spending problem, best way is to cut spending. Wasteful spending and fraud is off the charts.
No offense, it is a good thought, but to me, not the answer.

gatorbill1 04-11-2020 08:17 AM

How about all politicians needing to show their tax returns to show they paid taxes

biker1 04-11-2020 08:19 AM

Their tax return is none of your business. Compliance is not your job.

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1744392)
How about all politicians needing to show their tax returns to show they paid taxes


justjim 04-11-2020 08:26 AM

Tax the highest 3%
 
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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1743990)
How about reversing last year's tax cut??

Most economists (unless they are diehard political liars) will tell you “trickle down” only works for the rich. Tax increase for the 3% highest incomes and also cut Unnecessary spending. OP, your proposal also have merit. Those that are able must also work and no increases in public aid for over two children. Term limits for Congress. Happy Easter!

graciegirl 04-11-2020 08:56 AM

Sigh. I have read them all. It will be far worse than any imagined and we will have to do what was done in the generation before mine...in the thirties. So start saving anything extra...reusing what you have and doing without. It is going to be tough. I hope it brings out some good traits in everyone they didn't know they had and makes people rethink things about large families and wasting money on things not necessary...and taking care of their own and expecting their own to work hard and do without too.

It will be difficult to say the least and there are no easy or simple answers. The government may need to do things like the New Deal to employ people.

My generation will suffer a lot if they don't have savings that are safe. Everyone will suffer. Now is not the time to spend money on foolishness.

blueash 04-11-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1744381)
Another penalty for those few supporting our country. Would be too complicated. We have spending problem, best way is to cut spending. Wasteful spending and fraud is off the charts.
No offense, it is a good thought, but to me, not the answer.

I am not offended and appreciate your contribution.

Well the rescue money is going to be spent to try to not have the economy collapse. People can't pay their rent, buy food, basic essentials. Most Americans do not have savings. So even the GOP has overwhelmingly supported this bail out.

My quibble is your comment that it would be too complicated. It is no more complicated than the collection of sales tax when you buy something. When you would buy or sell publicly traded shares the agent collects the trade tax and remits it to the gov't just like the merchant who sells you a product does now with the sales tax collected. And as very few agents can do that sort of transaction all of which are large businesses like banks and Etrade, it could be reasonably straight forward, I think.

blueash 04-11-2020 09:18 AM

Just saw this..

It is a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle, and streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.

A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.

As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.
The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.
The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.
The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything .
However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a Stimulus package works

Stu from NYC 04-11-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1743925)
I have a novel idea. Once the covid 19 thing is behind us and the economy normalizes, how about getting back to the good old days where the government runs a budget surplus during good times and uses the surplus to pay down debt.

It's called fiscal responsibility, and it involves cutting spending, not looking for ways to tax people. Defecit spending is acceptable during crisis times like we are now in, but is unsustainable when done year after year as has become the new norm.

Great idea Warren Buffet proposed an amendment to the constitution along the line of when the economy is doing well and the govt runs a deficit all sitting members of congress would be ineligible to be reelected.
The deficit would eliminate in just over a heartbeat.

tophcfa 04-11-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by noslices1 (Post 1744255)
How about deducting the U. S. cost of the Virus from the debt we owe to China, since they started this and didn’t warn anyone until it was too late?

That might sound like a great idea, but in reality it is called defaulting on debt. If the USA defaults on its debt obligations then how would it fund it’s massive budget defects?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-11-2020 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1744435)
That might sound like a great idea, but in reality it is called defaulting on debt. If the USA defaults on its debt obligations then how would it fund it’s massive budget defects?

The idea though - not the implementation, seems like it could be negotiated. The US puts some of the burden on China for the expenses incurred regarding the spread of the virus. We get China to accept at least some responsibility for it. We agree on a value of that responsibility. We then deduct that value from what we owe them.

That will at least slow down the increase of our own country's deficit. It won't bring us to a zero balance. But it might give us some breathing room to come up with other ways of catching up.

DianeM 04-11-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 1744392)
How about all politicians needing to show their tax returns to show they paid taxes

None of my business.

DianeM 04-11-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by petsetc (Post 1744356)

Actually what I suggested was proportional.

MorTech 04-11-2020 10:31 AM

Good little tax cattle...Doubleplusgood!

DianeM 04-11-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1744427)
Just saw this..

It is a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle, and streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.

A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.

As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.
The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.
The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.
The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything .
However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a Stimulus package works

Surprisingly enough, I agree with you. I’m truly not sure this stimulus package was a good idea. We have added a huge amount of debt to our bottom line.


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