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JMintzer 04-16-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Butler (Post 2424891)
I will likely come around to your other comments. But why are we going after those that are here legally? The did everything legally, went through the process was granted legal status and now, we send them out as if they are criminals. Explain.

Care to provide examples of your claim?

Bill14564 04-16-2025 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2424980)
Care to provide examples of your claim?

Immigration crackdown now hitting green card holders
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Mohsen Mahdawi: Detained activist suspected immigration interview was trap

Stu from NYC 04-16-2025 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2424956)
This has to be the most meandering thread I have ever seen. All I did was suggest a couple of calmly presented, podcast episodes that some people might find interesting, in light of these interesting times. YMMV

But:

Mere bumpkin though I may be, I do know that it is not smart to try to do surgery with a chainsaw.

Boomer

Think there have been more meandering threads than this.

Pugchief 04-17-2025 11:12 AM

Props to you for at least trying to document.
The first link appears to be a one-off.
The other two are on visas and are troublemaking activists. They are at here at the pleasure of the State Dept which has the unilateral choice to remove them. You may think they should be allowed to stay, but I don't. Visas are a privilege, not a right.

Bill14564 04-17-2025 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2425200)
Props to you for at least trying to document.
The first link appears to be a one-off.
The other two are on visas and are troublemaking activists. They are at here at the pleasure of the State Dept which has the unilateral choice to remove them. You may think they should be allowed to stay, but I don't. Visas are a privilege, not a right.

One off in what way?

Troublemaking activists? Can you provide examples of that "troublemaking" that is not protected by the Constitution?

I believe everyone in this country is protected by our laws. Period.
I believe everyone in this country legally has all the rights guaranteed by our Constitution. Period.
Should these three be allowed to stay? That is not the question at all. The question is, have they violated the agreement that granted them legal status to stay? That is something that is determined in a court, NOT the way it has played out so far.

Aces4 04-17-2025 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2425210)
One off in what way?

Troublemaking activists? Can you provide examples of that "troublemaking" that is not protected by the Constitution?

I believe everyone in this country is protected by our laws. Period.
I believe everyone in this country legally has all the rights guaranteed by our Constitution. Period.
Should these three be allowed to stay? That is not the question at all. The question is, have they violated the agreement that granted them legal status to stay? That is something that is determined in a court, NOT the way it has played out so far.

I'd call them insurgents. Intimidations, threats and harassment of a certain group of students is no accident. The insurgent's rights end where others rights begin and deportation is the solution.

Bill14564 04-17-2025 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2425267)
I'd call them insurgents. Intimidations, threats and harassment of a certain group of students is no accident. The insurgent's rights end where others rights begin and deportation is the solution.

Problem is - at least one problem - that didn’t happen. Notably, the administration didn’t even make that claim.

Topspinmo 04-17-2025 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2424614)
I agree with the last sentence. That definitely is a problem. Another problem is that every 4 or 8 years there may be a large change in emphasis on legal and ILLEGAL immigration. The US can't seem to make up its mind. personally I think that a country should do an A.I. analysis to determine what its OPTIMAL population should be and then determine what its LEGAL immigration should be, IF ANY.

No, some tend to ignore laws when it conveniently helps their situation.

JMintzer 04-17-2025 04:37 PM

Green Cards can be revoked at any time, for criminal activity...

Bill14564 04-17-2025 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2425292)
Green Cards can be revoked at any time, for criminal activity...

Yes, but…
1. The ask was to show where they were going after LEGAL immigrants. Green card holders are LEGAL
2. There has been NO evidence, or even a claim, of illegal activity

CoachKandSportsguy 04-18-2025 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2425297)
Yes, but…
1. The ask was to show where they were going after LEGAL immigrants. Green card holders are LEGAL
2. There has been NO evidence, or even a claim, of illegal activity

One should be very concerned right now:

We have laws, but what if they are ignored?
We have due process, but what if you can't get it?
What if the govt ships you off to a foreign prison before you get due process?

What if there is no longer innocent before proven guilty?
What if there is no longer any judicial system willing to uphold the process?
What if there are no more elections because they are suspended for war powers or other self serving autocratic reason?

this is the European version of corrupting a democracy for lifelong political power.
Read your European history, might be our destiny as well, cause human behavior will never change, just the actors change about every 60-80 years, especially if you don't read and learn history. .

good luck all, we definitely need it.

jimjamuser 04-18-2025 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2425345)
One should be very concerned right now:

We have laws, but what if they are ignored?
We have due process, but what if you can't get it?
What if the govt ships you off to a foreign prison before you get due process?

What if there is no longer innocent before proven guilty?
What if there is no longer any judicial system willing to uphold the process?
What if there are no more elections because they are suspended for war powers or other self serving autocratic reason?

this is the European version of corrupting a democracy for lifelong political power.
Read your European history, might be our destiny as well, cause human behavior will never change, just the actors change about every 60-80 years, especially if you don't read and learn history. .

good luck all, we definitely need it.

Thank you. A GOOD post.

Aces4 04-18-2025 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2425345)
One should be very concerned right now:

We have laws, but what if they are ignored?
We have due process, but what if you can't get it?
What if the govt ships you off to a foreign prison before you get due process?

What if there is no longer innocent before proven guilty?
What if there is no longer any judicial system willing to uphold the process?
What if there are no more elections because they are suspended for war powers or other self serving autocratic reason?

this is the European version of corrupting a democracy for lifelong political power.
Read your European history, might be our destiny as well, cause human behavior will never change, just the actors change about every 60-80 years, especially if you don't read and learn history. .

good luck all, we definitely need it.

What if the sun falls out of the sky and injures the pet cat?
What if the bridge fails over 441/27 and falls on the highway below?
What if....

Fear mongering serves no purpose and I only wish I would have posted all my fears 2 years ago.

Aces4 04-18-2025 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2425270)
Problem is - at least one problem - that didn’t happen. Notably, the administration didn’t even make that claim.

It has happened and I wouldn't want to be of a certain faith on college campuses if something doesn't change.

CoachKandSportsguy 04-18-2025 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2425418)
What if the sun falls out of the sky and injures the pet cat?
What if the bridge fails over 441/27 and falls on the highway below?
What if....

Fear mongering serves no purpose and I only wish I would have posted all my fears 2 years ago.

your examples are physical happenings, almost impossible to happen. my post is about human behaviors, if you can't see the difference, i can't help you. . .
And yes, it's already happened, so you must not be paying attention. .
And yes, there are pushes for more of these to happen. .

good luck

Aces4 04-18-2025 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2425449)
your examples are physical happenings, almost impossible to happen. my post is about human behaviors, if you can't see the difference, i can't help you. . .
And yes, it's already happened, so you must not be paying attention. .
And yes, there are pushes for more of these to happen. .

good luck

That's okay, if you can't see the difference between suppositions and fear mongering, we're at a stalemate and I can't help you. I've been paying very close attention for the past few years and I know how things are controlled and manipulated and exaggerations manufactured.

But we both are entitled to our opinions and I'm going to go have some fun while the sun shines and I hope you do also.:icon_wink:

Normal 04-18-2025 01:57 PM

If you didn’t go to a hearing
 
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2425463)
That's okay, if you can't see the difference between suppositions and fear mongering, we're at a stalemate and I can't help you. I've been paying very close attention for the past few years and I know how things are controlled and manipulated and exaggerations manufactured.

But we both are entitled to our opinions and I'm going to go have some fun while the sun shines and I hope you do also.:icon_wink:

If an immigrant hasn’t made his or her court hearing, they can automatically be apprehended and deported without any hearing. As in the case of Kilmar Abrego García, he entered into the United States without ever reporting and certainly surpassed any legally applicable hearing date in the 9 years he has lived here. Records show his US citizen wife once filed a protective order against him. It is doubtful he would ever win a case for asylum or US citizenship. Pregnant wife beating is frowned upon here.


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