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Maker 07-22-2024 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2351587)
What investment income will be taxable. ?

Very simple example. If the interest you pay on the mortgage is $15000, it is more than the standard deductible so it can be deducted.
But the entire mortgage can be paid off at any time, but you put the funds into something very safe (govt backed CD, or something like that) (not stock market) that earns $15000. Have to pay income taxes on that.

So the earned money = deduction for mortgage. Net zero. Sounds good, except for the standard deductible got lost.

Instead... Pay off mortgage. No interest deduction, but no investment income. Net zero? No. You get the standard deduction now. That saves money on taxes.

This concept all shifts as the type of investment changes. Risk it in the stock market, and you could go up or down. That's your decision.

retiredguy123 07-22-2024 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2351810)
Very simple example. If the interest you pay on the mortgage is $15000, it is more than the standard deductible so it can be deducted.
But the entire mortgage can be paid off at any time, but you put the funds into something very safe (govt backed CD, or something like that) (not stock market) that earns $15000. Have to pay income taxes on that.

So the earned money = deduction for mortgage. Net zero. Sounds good, except for the standard deductible got lost.

Instead... Pay off mortgage. No interest deduction, but no investment income. Net zero? No. You get the standard deduction now. That saves money on taxes.

This concept all shifts as the type of investment changes. Risk it in the stock market, and you could go up or down. That's your decision.

As I understand it, you can only benefit from the mortgage deduction for the amount that exceeds the standard deduction. So, if the standard deduction is $15K and your mortgage interest is $15K, your tax savings is zero, unless you have other deductible costs in excess of the standard deduction. Also, note that people over 65 get an additional $3,900 exemption that adds to the standard deduction.

LeRoySmith 07-22-2024 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2351608)
zero taxes on investments and capital gains - so federal tax only.

I assume you mean no state taxes on capital gains, I'd guess there's no way around federal tax on capital gains?

I just read the timeline in your signature. It seems we are moving together the past 5 or 6 years.

ElDiabloJoe 07-22-2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2351843)
I assume you mean no state taxes on capital gains, I'd guess there's no way around federal tax on capital gains?

Yes, exactly.

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2351843)
just read the timeline in your signature. It seems we are moving together the past 5 or 6 years.

You clearly have excellent taste.

Maker 07-23-2024 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2351819)
As I understand it, you can only benefit from the mortgage deduction for the amount that exceeds the standard deduction. So, if the standard deduction is $15K and your mortgage interest is $15K, your tax savings is zero, unless you have other deductible costs in excess of the standard deduction. Also, note that people over 65 get an additional $3,900 exemption that adds to the standard deduction.

Not exactly. If mortgage interest paid = deduction....
You have no net money gain or loss.
You have lost the standard deduction, meaning you will pay more tax.

If income is $100k, standard deduction is $15k, potential mortgage interest of $15k, and CD interest 15K...

If mortgage int, and interest earned, taxes are income + interest earned - Mort int = 100 +15 -15 = $100k taxed. You pay 22% of 15k more taxable income in taxes.

No mortgage or interest, taxes based upon income - std ded = $85k taxed.


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