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Stu from NYC 08-23-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1821629)
My comment was about the national debt reaching a "record". The debt reaches a record high every day, and the economy has been dependent on deficit spending almost every fiscal year for the last 100 years. Yes, deficit spending does prop up the market, but that is nothing new. I would love to see the country balance the budget, but the budget is controlled by Congress, who are elected by the voters. And, most voters have no interest in a balanced budget. The chance for a balanced budget in 2021 is about zero.

We have had a surplus during the second Clinton administration. Combination of both sides working together.

Unfortunately 9 11 happened and both parties decided lets run deficits all the time.

At some points deficit spending is good to help the economy but when they do it all the time spending gets out of control and inefficient govt spending crowds out small companies (from borrowing) who are the engine of our economy.

After the virus is under control we do need to get govt spending under control and at least run a balanced budget.

retiredguy123 08-23-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1821669)
We have had a surplus during the second Clinton administration. Combination of both sides working together.

Unfortunately 9 11 happened and both parties decided lets run deficits all the time.

At some points deficit spending is good to help the economy but when they do it all the time spending gets out of control and inefficient govt spending crowds out small companies (from borrowing) who are the engine of our economy.

After the virus is under control we do need to get govt spending under control and at least run a balanced budget.

The problem is that it is too late for a balanced budget, unless you are looking at gradually reducing spending over 10 or 20 years. If you forced a balanced budget in one year, I think the unemployment rate would increase to over 50 percent, and you would need to reduce Government pensions, Social Security, Medicare, and military spending drastically. And, the stock market would crash. That is because Congress has already spent money for many years into the future. The only way to balance the budget is to default on money that has been obligated. My opinion.

Stu from NYC 08-23-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1821694)
The problem is that it is too late for a balanced budget, unless you are looking at gradually reducing spending over 10 or 20 years. If you forced a balanced budget in one year, I think the unemployment rate would increase to over 50 percent, and you would need to reduce Government pensions, Social Security, Medicare, and military spending drastically. And, the stock market would crash. That is because Congress has already spent money for many years into the future. The only way to balance the budget is to default on money that has been obligated. My opinion.

I agree cannot do it at one time must be done gradually. They need to set a target date and make it a requirement that the deficit comes down so much a year until balance is achieved.

Than it would be nice if they continued acting responsibly running a surplus to pay down the debt.

Do I think this will happen. Unfortunately no.

retiredguy123 08-23-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1821715)
I agree cannot do it at one time must be done gradually. They need to set a target date and make it a requirement that the deficit comes down so much a year until balance is achieved.

Than it would be nice if they continued acting responsibly running a surplus to pay down the debt.

Do I think this will happen. Unfortunately no.

The requirement you are suggesting would require a constitutional amendment because Congress creates a new budget annually, and cannot control any other future spending decisions. But, I would be in favor of an amendment like that.

Stu from NYC 08-23-2020 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1821720)
The requirement you are suggesting would require a constitutional amendment because Congress creates a new budget annually, and cannot control any other future spending decisions. But, I would be in favor of an amendment like that.

30 or so years ago Congress did pass some sort of a resolution about a balanced budget and for awhile followed it but after a few years ignored it.

Warren Buffet came up with an interesting idea how to balance the budget within a minute or two.

When times were good, if the congress ran a deficit of a certain size (do not remember the percentage) all sitting congressman would be ineligible to run for reelection.

That would be a wonderful amendment.

Paper1 08-23-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1821746)
30 or so years ago Congress did pass some sort of a resolution about a balanced budget and for awhile followed it but after a few years ignored it.

Warren Buffet came up with an interesting idea how to balance the budget within a minute or two.

When times were good, if the congress ran a deficit of a certain size (do not remember the percentage) all sitting congressman would be ineligible to run for reelection.

That would be a wonderful amendment.

The problem with balancing the budget is people who are paying for government services don’t want to pay anymore and those receiving said services don’t want them reduced. In order to be elected to political office you need both groups therefore the budget deficit was invented.

Stu from NYC 08-23-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1821826)
The problem with balancing the budget is people who are paying for government services don’t want to pay anymore and those receiving said services don’t want them reduced. In order to be elected to political office you need both groups therefore the budget deficit was invented.

If we had term limits perhaps we get people elected and they become leaders doing what is best for the country instead of what the think they need to do to get reelected.


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