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petsetc 08-09-2015 04:39 PM

Another resource that I find to be good is Paul Merriman. If you goggle his name, his site will come up. He is a retired financial adviser (his credentials on his site), and he offers opinions and recommendations aimed at DIY. He also has 3 free e-books that might be enlightening to some, they were to me.

Hope this helps.

Maxman 08-10-2015 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd @IntegrityIA (Post 1096752)
There are lots of financial Advisors/ sales representatives in TV that are looking to sell retirees products that they may or may not need. Sometimes these commissions are 5% for A shares and above 10% for some insurance products.

I have mentioned this many times in the TOTV forum. If you hire an advisor, please make sure that they are a low cost, fee only advisor and a fiduciary for you 100% of the time.

Fee based is NOT the same as Fee Only! Please get your advisor to sign the below pledge.

The Pledge Most Advisors Won’t Sign!

Sadly, you will find that most of the Advisors mentioned in this thread will NOT sign this pledge. They will give you all sorts of excuses but they won't sign it. For those of you who love your advisors at the local bank, Edward Jones, Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, Fross, Parady, Baum and others, please let the forum know if your advisor will be a fiduciary for you 100% of the time and sign the pledge.

Typically when we do a free 2nd opinion for clients above $500k in portfolio value, we find that there are many hidden fees and total investing expenses are much more than clients realize. If you need help, give us a call.

TOTV - Understand how you pay for financial services

PS: For all of the Vanguard "do-it-yourself" fans, I like Vanguard. They are cheap and offer great exposure to market beta. That being said, building a market cap weighted 60/40% bond portfolio may not be your best strategy. Over the last 15 years (2000 to 2014), Vanguard LifeStrategy Moderate 60/40 (VSMGX) has returned 4.88% per year. Vanguard LifeStrategy Conservative 40/60 (VSCGX) has returned 4.94% per year. These returns are much lower than many investors expect. The major problem today is that future expected returns for both stocks and bonds are lower than historical averages. By targeting other asset classes, value companies, small cap companies, companies with high profit, companies with high investment and companies with momentum, you can potentially increase returns. If you want to learn more, check out our Why DFA page. Watch some of the DFA videos at the bottom of the page.

It is easy to be a good investor in a raging bull market. As of 8/5/15, the SP500 has been up 15.66% per year (5 year compound rate of return). We have also had a 33 year bull market in bonds. The next 5 and 10 years will surprise many investors. A competent, low cost, fee only, fiduciary Advisor can add value to your portfolio. Most people need a coach.

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To my Advisor,

Given the current volatility of stock and bond markets, I wanted to make sure that I understand the foundation of our relationship. I have worked hard for my retirement savings and I want to make sure that my investments are aligned with my best interests and my goals.

Please answer the following:
Are you currently a fiduciary for me 100% of the time?
How do you and your firm get paid for my account? Please list all sources.
What were my total fees for 2014 & 2013 for my accounts? Please break out by Advisor fees, mutual fund expenses, 12b-1 fees, commissions, other fees.
What percent of my portfolio has commission products and 12b-1 fees? Mutual funds with A, B or C shares, UIT’s, closed-end funds, non-traded REITs, insurance?

Will you sign and agree to the following?
• I will be a fiduciary for you 100% of the time.
• I shall always act in good faith and with candor.
• I shall always put the client’s best interest first.
• I shall be proactive in my disclosure of any conflicts of interest that may impact you.
• I will provide to each client full and fair disclosure of all important facts, including full transparency of how we are paid by the client or other financial companies.
• I shall not accept any referral fees or compensation that is contingent upon the purchase or sale of a financial product.
• I shall disclose my advisor fee, any commissions, all operating expenses and any trailing advisor fees or 12b-1 fees.

FIDUCIARY \DEFINITION\: A person legally appointed and authorized to hold assets in trust for another person. The fiduciary manages the assets for the benefit of the other person, rather than for his or her own profit. (source: Investopedia.com) \USAGE\: A registered investment advisor, who is held to a “fiduciary standard of care”, looks after the assets of another person on that person’s behalf, is fully transparent, and required to disclose any potential conflicts of interest

_____________________________ Name of Advisor (print)
_____________________________ Signature of Advisor
_____________________________ Date

I looked at the 10 year return on the life strategy moderate growth fund and its somewhat higher then the 15 year at 6.05%. With a 60/40 split this is in line with the DFA fund returns. Todd I think that you are one of the good guys, but for myself I can't see the value in your .6% fee. This would amount to a 10% fee on my returns over the last 10 years. That being said, I do think for someone that needs a personal relationship with an advisor you would be the way to go.

The following post shows the returns from the 3 fund portfolio over at bogleheads. http://www.bogleheads.org/blog/three...folio-returns/

California Sunshine 09-01-2015 09:01 PM

Do you believe in the advice, "Follow the Money?" And I don't mean your money, I mean the money the broker is taking from your investment. Sales fees, investment fees, holding fees, commissions, loads, and much more taken from your investment is how the financial advisors can afford fancy offices with large staffs. Maxman (in his first post on this thread) is right on when he says indexed funds out perform 80% of managed funds. Get into Vanguard index funds and let the investment returns stay in your portfolio instead of funding the financial planners extravagant lifestyle.

rubicon 09-02-2015 04:23 AM

I had completed studies to be a financial advisor and as demonstrated here in this thread and the wide and varying opinions and the uncertain variables I decided against it. I do believe in long holding periods. I do believe in low fees. I do believe in diversification. I do believe in rebalancing. I do believe in exploring tax strategies. I do believe in structuring ladders. I do believe in continued investment savings and so we continue to save and invest

the FED scares the bejesus out of me and angers me because a decent interest return is important to seniors. What they and global leaders have wrought with all the QE is up for debate but in my mind has done more harm than good. The why the topic for another thread.

tcxr750 09-05-2015 08:45 AM

Regarding the perception of the performance of VSMGX and VSCGX relative to a diversified portfolio managed by an advisor with a 1% management fee.
Let's say you have a $1,000,000 portfolio (good luck) and take out 4% per year. You get $40,000 per year and your advisor gets $10,000 per year. In other words 20% of your annual withdrawals are not going to you. 10 years of advice = $100K.
I've been retired 10 years and can safely say that my advisors (see Barron's top 100 list) have allowed my account value to incur 20% losses during the Great Recession. The good news is that if you live long enough and don't make withdrawals eventually your portfolio will recover to it's original value. Unless of course your in the RMD phase. Enjoy!

rjm1cc 09-05-2015 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tcxr750 (Post 1109217)
Regarding the perception of the performance of VSMGX and VSCGX relative to a diversified portfolio managed by an advisor with a 1% management fee.
Let's say you have a $1,000,000 portfolio (good luck) and take out 4% per year. You get $40,000 per year and your advisor gets $10,000 per year. In other words 20% of your annual withdrawals are not going to you. 10 years of advice = $100K.
I've been retired 10 years and can safely say that my advisors (see Barron's top 100 list) have allowed my account value to incur 20% losses during the Great Recession. The good news is that if you live long enough and don't make withdrawals eventually your portfolio will recover to it's original value. Unless of course your in the RMD phase. Enjoy!

Yes the fee is 25% of your "income".
Maybe the fee should be based the performance of the account.

KayakerNC 09-05-2015 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1109529)
Yes the fee is 25% of your "income".
Maybe the fee should be based the performance of the account.

Actually the fee does vary with performance.
If the account value goes up..the fee goes up.
If the account goes down...so does the fee.

l2ridehd 09-06-2015 07:54 AM

Yes the fee paid an advisor goes up and down based on a % of your portfolio when your total value goes up and down. And this is exactly why most advisors try to sell you "things" you shouldn't buy so they get high commissions. And why they put you in investments that have higher risks then you should be taking so the potential returns may be higher. Think of it like this. You could put all your money in 20 different banks using CD ladders and have almost zero risk. You would also have VERY low returns. So you take 20% of your money and put it in stocks to improve your return.

You have also just increased your risk. And so you take 80% and put it in stocks and your risk goes much higher. Then you decide to put that 80% all in twitter stock and your risk of failure is now through the roof. You may get lucky and get a very high return, but your risk is still extremely high. So how do you balance risk and return? You set an asset allocation that you are comfortable with and then make sure your fixed income and your stock portion are both highly diversified. You have lots of different bonds and stocks. So if one should fail your returns have limited impact.

Lower your risk by having many different stocks and bonds by using index funds. Total stock market, total bond market and total international stock and bond funds accomplish that objective. Then get your expenses as low as possible so you keep a very high % of your returns. You can use a tool from Morningstar called Portfolio Xray to determine your total expenses. Mine are .011% for everything. That is for every $1000 invested, I pay $1.10 a year. All in mutual fund expense ratios. If your paying 1.5% a year then your paying $15.00 for every $1000 invested. Over time that adds up to very expensive advice. If you have a 1 million dollar portfolio you would pay just in advisor fees $15000 plus your also paying the expense ratios and loads for what ever investments your in. In this example I would pay $1100.00 a year. That means I would have a minimum of $15000 savings to invest even if the advisor also used very low cost funds. Most don't. Over ten years that's a huge advantage of $150,000 to re-invest. And I can almost guarantee that my downside risk is significantly lower.

itnetpro 09-07-2015 09:39 AM

One Word, VANGUARD they are the most reputable in my opinion. If you want to do it yourself go with their low cost targeted funds. If you feel more comfortable using an advisor they also offer that service. If I recall its .03% is the advisor fee. You will be assigned a personal advisor if your assets exceed 500k. I]

Me personally, I have been moving my personal portfolio from Fidelity to a Targeted Mutual Fund VanGuard account. I don't really think we need more then that at the moment.

My instructions to my wife are simple. If I die, since our holdings far exceed the $500K mark. I instructed her to contact Vanguard and have them manage her portfolio. She has no interested learning how to invest and I feel very confident in their ability to manage her assets in the event of my death.

John

larcha 09-07-2015 11:07 AM

New York Times article
 
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The NYT has posted several articles on "Robo" investing. It a new trend where computer programs are used to help select and re-balance portfolios. Vanguard has a new service that's listed. One of these might be worth a look if you choose not to go it alone or hire an investment advisor. The internet based reporting provided by these services is usually excellent for tracking your investments. Please see the attached file and also "Financial Advice for People Who Aren’t Rich", [http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/12/yo...ent-rich.html].

Maxman 09-07-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by itnetpro (Post 1110246)
One Word, VANGUARD they are the most reputable in my opinion. If you want to do it yourself go with their low cost targeted funds. If you feel more comfortable using an advisor they also offer that service. If I recall its .03% is the advisor fee. You will be assigned a personal advisor if your assets exceed 500k. I]

Me personally, I have been moving my personal portfolio from Fidelity to a Targeted Mutual Fund VanGuard account. I don't really think we need more then that at the moment.

My instructions to my wife are simple. If I die, since our holdings far exceed the $500K mark. I instructed her to contact Vanguard and have them manage her portfolio. She has no interested learning how to invest and I feel very confident in their ability to manage her assets in the event of my death.

John

John agree on Vanguard but I want to point out a slight mistake. Vanguard charges .3% on its advisory services not .03%. Still this is a very low cost advisory service.

Jeff

itnetpro 09-07-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxman (Post 1110420)
John agree on Vanguard but I want to point out a slight mistake. Vanguard charges .3% on its advisory services not .03%. Still this is a very low cost advisory service.

Jeff

I just put too many zeros. All I remember is its a 3rd of a percent and thats pretty much the cheapest around. They basically are going to put you into their index funds. Depending on your tolerance for risk will dictate the mix of funds they will suggest.

But for most investors thats good enough.

We saved a lot over our lifetime so we are fortunate enough where we don't need to take much risk to stretch our assets to 100. If I can earn around 3% every year thats more then enough for us to live good.

Yea I know inflation will erode our assets at 3% but the math works...

John

CassieInVa 09-14-2015 12:49 AM

John, same boat here.... as long as we can keep up with inflation, we should be good. Don't have the stomach for too much risk. Vanguard indexes and other fixed price investments work. Stopped using financial advisors years ago due to fees.

outlaw 09-14-2015 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1109677)
Yes the fee paid an advisor goes up and down based on a % of your portfolio when your total value goes up and down. And this is exactly why most advisors try to sell you "things" you shouldn't buy so they get high commissions. And why they put you in investments that have higher risks then you should be taking so the potential returns may be higher. Think of it like this. You could put all your money in 20 different banks using CD ladders and have almost zero risk. You would also have VERY low returns. So you take 20% of your money and put it in stocks to improve your return.

You have also just increased your risk.
And so you take 80% and put it in stocks and your risk goes much higher. Then you decide to put that 80% all in twitter stock and your risk of failure is now through the roof. You may get lucky and get a very high return, but your risk is still extremely high. So how do you balance risk and return? You set an asset allocation that you are comfortable with and then make sure your fixed income and your stock portion are both highly diversified. You have lots of different bonds and stocks. So if one should fail your returns have limited impact.

Lower your risk by having many different stocks and bonds by using index funds. Total stock market, total bond market and total international stock and bond funds accomplish that objective. Then get your expenses as low as possible so you keep a very high % of your returns. You can use a tool from Morningstar called Portfolio Xray to determine your total expenses. Mine are .011% for everything. That is for every $1000 invested, I pay $1.10 a year. All in mutual fund expense ratios. If your paying 1.5% a year then your paying $15.00 for every $1000 invested. Over time that adds up to very expensive advice. If you have a 1 million dollar portfolio you would pay just in advisor fees $15000 plus your also paying the expense ratios and loads for what ever investments your in. In this example I would pay $1100.00 a year. That means I would have a minimum of $15000 savings to invest even if the advisor also used very low cost funds. Most don't. Over ten years that's a huge advantage of $150,000 to re-invest. And I can almost guarantee that my downside risk is significantly lower.

There are some interesting analyses, I think I read in John Bogle's first? book (Vanguard founder), that shows you can actually DECREASE an all bond portfolio risk while increasing returns, by including 10 or 20% equities. An interesting read.

l2ridehd 09-14-2015 09:45 AM

You're probably right "outlaw" I was just trying to show an example of the way folks should be thinking about stocks and bonds. There was also a recent article on lazy portfolio's that showed how very simple it was to manage your own with low risk and decent returns. I like Bernsteins or Yale University and their are billions invested that way. Last I read, Yales endowment fund was something like 15.9 billion? And they use a very simple low risk way to manage it for the past 50 years.

The very most important thing people miss when deciding to go with any advisor is that higher returns ALWAYS equals higher risk. And it's not their money they are going to lose, it's yours.

outlaw 09-14-2015 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1113868)
You're probably right "outlaw" I was just trying to show an example of the way folks should be thinking about stocks and bonds. There was also a recent article on lazy portfolio's that showed how very simple it was to manage your own with low risk and decent returns. I like Bernsteins or Yale University and their are billions invested that way. Last I read, Yales endowment fund was something like 15.9 billion? And they use a very simple low risk way to manage it for the past 50 years.

The very most important thing people miss when deciding to go with any advisor is that higher returns ALWAYS equals higher risk. And it's not their money they are going to lose, it's yours.

Yes. I agree with you regarding simplicity. I still don't know why people don't just buy Vanguard target retirement funds based on risk tolerance, which V also offers on their website. I think if people took their risk tolerance survey, they would invest much more conservatively. the target retirement funds do all the rebalancing for you, daily I think, via the underlying index funds. there is no additional fees other than the extremely low fees associated with the individual funds. So simple; so cheap. V is the only company that is owned by the owners of the fund shares, which are the investors/customers/us. There is no other Vanguard "company" that must show a profit for their "company" shareholders, as in all other mutual fund companies, as far as I know. There are no brick and mortar branch offices with overheads. There is minimal marketing expenses. It truly is about the only game in town that has these characteristics.

tcxr750 09-14-2015 03:12 PM

I'm agreeing with the comments on Vanguard. I have four model portfolios that I've followed over the past year. Two were based on my experience with two different advisors (one on Barron's top 100 list for several years). The other two based on vanguard recommendations using their portfolio modeling on the website. Best YTD one of the Vanguard model portfolios. Worst the advisor on Barron's top 100 list.
Past performance is no indication of future results.
Another thing to consider. If your advisor has a 1% management fee for your 500K portfolio and you withdraw 4% per year. You get 20K and he gets 5K. In other words 20% of the $$$ coming out each year goes to your advisor. Not counting other fees and commissions.


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