Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2073258)

I'm sure they're great and we will consider on when the time comes to re-do the kitchen, but OBB's suggestion of "just buy one" smacks of the elitism we hear when we're told, "Can't afford gas prices, just buy nan electric car!"

As if those who can't afford gasoline can afford a new car... Or a VERY expensive cooktop...

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2073044)

I'm looking forward to all the "Thanks Brandon" comments when gas settles back to its normal price range, having adjusted for the pandemic, supply gridlock, Russian invasion, etc.

Originally Posted by Rich42 (Post 2073231)

Like Kamala said the other day, we got what we voted for!

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr (Post 2073298)

To me it makes no sense to spend at least $40k to buy an electric car even if I could afford to which I can't. We have a 2007 Chevy HHR and a 2008 Saturn Aura which had a combined cost of less than $10k, purchased used. They both have the same 4 cylinder engine and both get 34 to 35 mpg. on the highway. Buying a used hybrid or electric car would be a gamble because of the cost of replacing the battery pack which could fail. The gas powered cars will last much longer if maintained. At this stage in our lives we do not want to finance a vehicle purchase so a new hybrid or electric, or gas car purchase, is out of the question

Originally Posted by Proveone (Post 2073132)

Buy an electric car/cart!

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2073374)

That's why I'm not in the market for a hybrid. If I could afford one, I'd love to consider one for my next vehicle. It'd be terrific to not have to rely exclusively on gas. But my 2010 piece of rusting tin on wheels refuses to die, and it still gets around 30 mpg. Maintaining it is relatively cheap - maybe $400 every 3 years including oil changes, routine maintenance, and occasional belt replacements.

A hybrid would be more expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain. But if I had the money - well - that's what money is for - spending. I have always been and always be a cheerful capitalist.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2073322)

I believe the reason we have "more efficient" vehicles is because our gov mandated it, period. When we first went to catalytic converters on cars, we found that many Japanese vehicles could pass our emission tests without the converters. Just a point of trivia. I do not believe that MOST folks make changes based on what is better for the environment. Most base their decisions on personal economics. Our lower income folks live a middle class lifestyle because of discount products such as you find at Walmart or Sam's. A point of fact is that our poverty level folks live a lifestyle equivalent to the European middle class.
I would wager (if I was a gambler) that MOST Americans would choose a cheap priced gas guzzler over an expensive priced clean energy car.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2073366)

Please quote the post where I said "just buy one" in regards to an induction stove. I'm pretty sure I never posted that. In fact, I do recall very distinctly that I said that an induction stove is "an alternative" (not the only alternative, not the alternative you should, must, or are ordered to use, but an - as in - one of others.) option.

I also recall mentioning that you can get a single-burner induction stove for around $100. That, to me, isn't "very expensive." People around here will sink $200 or more into the latest air fryer - so comparatively speaking, a single burner induction stove is pretty darned affordable.

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2073068)

Solution; sell “up north” and stay here!

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2073474)

Easy to say, difficult to do. I’ll sell the place up north if you are volunteering to take over the many responsibilities that exist up north, including caring for elders with dementia. Also, you will need to convince the wife it’s not necessary to have a place near the kids, grandkids, other family, and lifelong friends. You cover that and I’ll gladly sell. How sweet would it be to not have two homes to take care of, not have to travel back and forth between homes, shed a major ongoing and expensive responsibility, and cash in about 3/4 million in the equity of the northern home.

Originally Posted by crash (Post 2073054)

Sorry not the way it works and not greed. The stations bought the gas when it was high and have to sell it for the higher cost until they have depleted that inventory. Gas goes up and down with the cost of oil but it is slower to respond to drops. The oil suppliers control the price by controlling supply not the gas stations.

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2073660)

Sorry but I don’t care how much gas is in Europe. I buy my gas here in the good ole USA. Gas here in Texas is mostly $3.99 a gal. But if you look you can find it for $3.89 gal. So then why would I want to buy my gas in Florida either.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2073264)

9000 "LEASES", not permits... BIG difference... But a good obfuscation...

They still have to apply for the permits, they still have to be allowed to buil1d roads, and pipelines to move the oil that will be pumped...

THAT is where the holdup is. The current admin won't allow new pipelines, nor approve new permits to drill...

Originally Posted by forebubba (Post 2073853)

Biden has approved more permits than Trump. Look it up