[Ozzello]

BONANZA!

Gotta go with you on this one.

Many of the "native" species mentioned will not live in this zone anyway. Also, even many of the palms listed (and not..coconut, wild date, etc) naturally arrived to our coastlines over the years.

The elephant in the landscape room I don't hear many discuss? Florida native vs Florida friendly.

Here's one for all you "Florida Friendly" , master gardeners and such...
Does Florida friendly mean WILDLIFE supportive?
I mean as long as we are pretending that these "new" Walters viburnum varieties et al are "Native" or "friendly", shouldn't we be asking ourselves how they can be "friendly" when some hybrids (or trimming them prior to blooming or right after) don't produce the berries for the birds?
Also.. seems the same people touting "native" and "friendly" are also saying don't plant palms because of the "palm" rats...
Many species eat the fruits and bees use the pollen and nectars from our different palms.. not just rats.

There is a very wide line between completely wild ( healthy) and a sterile, 100% free and void of bugs and critters landscape. Funny how most all of us land in this very wide line somewhere, and some stand pointing fingers in both directions, calling everyone else wrong.

[Boffin]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Once again, Boffin, you have quoted an incorrect source for the "misinformation" you've posted regarding palms. You do not go to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service for information on non-native (invasive?) palms. The correct source would be the University of Florida/IFAS, with which you obviously are not familiar; if you truly wanted pertinent information, that is the only source and the only "go-to" source. Period!

Sorry, but what you have quoted does not refer to palms or even specific plant life although there may be one or two palm varieties that could be considered invasive, but probably not at this time. Actually, what you have quoted is confusing and irrelevant because it does not apply to palms at all.

Here is a partial quote from IFAS which you may find helpful, and it refers to plants, NOT palms:

"When we consider that Florida is home to approximately 135 threatened or endangered species, the connection between invasive species prevention and management is clear. Currently, there are approximately 1,500 non-native plant species present in Florida (Wunderlin et al. 2020). Not all of these plants are invading Florida's natural areas at this time. However, once a species becomes invasive, ecological and economic costs can escalate. Having a tool to assess the status of nonnative species in the state can identify invasive plants . . . . "

I'm sorry, but I stand by my prior statements and like yours, they are not misinformation.
My credentials are through the University of Florida. What are yours???

University of Florida is one authority among many. Give Florida is the capital of invasive species in the U.S. the University is well informed. Although their success in mitigation is poor, they do know a lot about them. As to nonnative/noninvasive palm trees, it was a palm tree that brought us lethal bronze disease. Of course technically, it is the bacteria that is the invasive species not the palm. At any rate given the overflow of nonnative and invasive species (palm trees and/or any others) in this state, discussion is interesting but probably will not stem the tide.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Boffin

University of Florida is one authority among many. Give Florida is the capital of invasive species in the U.S. the University is well informed. Although their success in mitigation is poor, they do know a lot about them. As to nonnative/noninvasive palm trees, it was a palm tree that brought us lethal bronze disease. Of course technically, it is the bacteria that is the invasive species not the palm. At any rate given the overflow of nonnative and invasive species (palm trees and/or any others) in this state, discussion is interesting but probably will not stem the tide.

You seem to be copying information from an unknown source(s) but still do not seem to entirely understand what it means., i.e., meaningless words without any real explanation. The University has had great luck in handling many issues and diseases, but that takes a great deal of time as far as prevention goes.

What are the other Florida authorities that you have failed to mention? The main source -- the University of Florida/IFAS is virtually still the only genuine source to go by. They are more than "well informed;" they are experts!

Why are you specifically only bringing up the lethal bronze disease when there are many diseases that are prone to specific plants and/or palms? If you are bringing that up you should have mentioned that the disease is affecting the state tree -- the Sabal palm (but you didn't). I guess you failed to read about the meat and potatoes of the disease and only copied what you thought was meaningful.

[Boffin]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

You seem to be copying information from an unknown source(s) but still do not seem to entirely understand what it means., i.e., meaningless words without any real explanation. The University has had great luck in handling many issues and diseases, but that takes a great deal of time as far as prevention goes.

What are the other Florida authorities that you have failed to mention? The main source -- the University of Florida/IFAS is virtually still the only genuine source to go by. They are more than "well informed;" they are experts!

Why are you specifically only bringing up the lethal bronze disease when there are many diseases that are prone to specific plants and/or palms? If you are bringing that up you should have mentioned that the disease is affecting the state tree -- the Sabal palm (but you didn't). I guess you failed to read about the meat and potatoes of the disease and only copied what you thought was meaningful.

Experts that have had luck huh? As if your words are meaningful. One thing is for sure: we will both use University of Florida information. Unfortunately, that is apparently your only source.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Boffin

Experts that have had luck huh? As if your words are meaningful. One thing is for sure: we will both use University of Florida information. Unfortunately, that is apparently your only source.

Stop mincing words! Yes, the University has had good luck because they know what they are doing, meaning through trials and tribulations they have come up with methods for doing things, solving problems, etc.

And no -- the University/IFAS is not my only source of information but one that is reliable, proven, accurate, and any other positive synonyms you can find. I happen to have an extensive botanical library, as well.

I recommend that you not second-guess me.

[jhambley]

Anyone know what varieties the developer plants?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Do you want to know what palms to plant? Plant what the Developer plants. They employ experts to choose tree and plant varieties which require less maintenance, less water, and are weather tolerant for this area. Plant varieties that you like or those “peddled” by local stores or nurseries at your own risk.

[walterray1]

Originally Posted by jhambley

Anyone know what varieties the developer plants?

Awful lot of angst and vitriol over palm trees. Everyone trying to out expert everyone else.

[Altavia]

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[Altavia]

Originally Posted by jhambley

Anyone know what varieties the developer plants?

Currently they only plant "Florida Friendly" plants in new home construction ( no palm trees).

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Currently they only plant "Florida Friendly" plants in new home construction ( no palm trees).

They used to plant a lot of those oak trees, which, IMHO, are way too large for our house lots. Besides, they are dirty, messy trees.

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Roebelenii palm is another. Tampa and south is the zone.

Tell that to my two Robellinis that have been thriving since planting them in 2015.